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152. Bear in mind that liars figure and figures lie. All kinds of things get buried in all kinds
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 05:46 AM by No Elephants
of places in the federal budget.

This is an example that has nothing to do with education or defense, but it angered me enough that I will probably remember it until I die, even if I get Alzheimer's.

Until the 70's or 80's, very little was spent on researching women's health. Almost as soon as the feds announced that they were going to start remedying that {finally), the feds used money earmarked for research on breast cancer to buy assets from Russia's space program. (Until policies changed, even most breast cancer research done with federal money had been done on men.)

Rationale? To study the effects of weightlessness on breast cancer. Wink. Wink. Yet, that money would have shown up as research re: health and, more specifically, women's health.

Bearing in mind that example, I'm sure a lot of defense programs could be easily classified as education, or almost anything, really.
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  - The Reagan legacy continues to give.  rurallib   Nov-20-09 10:53 AM   #1 
  - Yep. nt  Captain Hilts   Nov-20-09 10:54 AM   #4 
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        - I'm not quite sure what you're getting at  XemaSab   Nov-21-09 10:54 PM   #142 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-09 08:18 PM   #102 
  - It was the '64 Berkeley sit-in that jump-started Reagan's career  starroute   Nov-20-09 01:36 PM   #53 
  - Check out this whole expose re Reagan, J Edgar Hoover and Pat Brown  pink-o   Nov-20-09 03:35 PM   #81 
  - Bookmarking this thread for those links.  robertpaulsen   Nov-20-09 06:26 PM   #95 
  - me also  rurallib   Nov-21-09 08:58 PM   #135 
  - Good idea. Thanks.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 04:23 AM   #145 
  - Thank you -- looked at a lot of it ... and wonder if we will be any smarter next time around?  defendandprotect   Nov-20-09 08:54 PM   #105 
  - I daresay we were smarter then  rurallib   Nov-21-09 09:00 PM   #136 
     - Granted ... consumerism and plastic surgery, celebs and other nonsense seem to  defendandprotect   Nov-22-09 08:17 PM   #143 
  - Reagan hid info that could derail a run for office...although it wasn't in October  catzies   Nov-22-09 08:52 PM   #144 
  - Wow I forgot all about Ed Meese. I hated him when I was in HS.  superconnected   Nov-20-09 03:48 PM   #83 
  - Interesting to hear the memories -- and still can't imagine that Swartzenegger was elected!!  defendandprotect   Nov-20-09 08:28 PM   #103 
  - The Berkeley Student Rebellion of 1964 (Mario Savio)  struggle4progress   Nov-21-09 07:54 AM   #120 
  - Not just Reagan  wryter2000   Nov-20-09 01:37 PM   #54 
  - I've already heard uneducated (or mommy&daddy paiducated) conservatives call them whiners.  YOY   Nov-20-09 02:43 PM   #70 
  - What the hell does Reagan  bbinacan   Nov-20-09 09:28 PM   #108 
  - I think it was Reagan who made California universities  reggie the dog   Nov-21-09 03:54 AM   #117 
  - Yes.  Hepburn   Nov-21-09 06:40 AM   #118 
     - and may we shit on his grave  reggie the dog   Nov-21-09 10:03 AM   #124 
  - I think there are some links upthread that will throw some light on the subject.  rurallib   Nov-21-09 09:06 PM   #137 
  - To the contrary, Reagan has a lot to do with tuition at California schools, today's economy, the  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 06:15 AM   #155 
  - "If there has to be a bloodbath, then let's get it over with."  Lasher   Nov-21-09 03:13 AM   #116 
  - Mr. 666 himself.  Liberalynn   Nov-21-09 01:20 PM   #130 
  - Yeah, dumb windbag he was  mddem9850   Nov-21-09 07:32 PM   #133 
  - You can trace Reagan's policies straight to the TARP bailout and today's black hole economy.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 04:28 AM   #146 
  - $750 Billion+ PER YEAR on Defense. How much on education???  Roland99   Nov-20-09 10:54 AM   #2 
  - About a $Trillion in public funds  rayofreason   Nov-20-09 02:31 PM   #66 
  - A whopping $91.7 Billion in Federal spending on education.  Roland99   Nov-20-09 03:43 PM   #82 
  - You need...  rayofreason   Nov-20-09 05:20 PM   #89 
     - Or the equivalent of it.  Neoma   Nov-21-09 08:13 AM   #121 
  - Bear in mind that liars figure and figures lie. All kinds of things get buried in all kinds  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 05:40 AM   #152 
  - I've read that at times 50% of our Federal education budget was for CIA -- !!!!  defendandprotect   Nov-20-09 08:55 PM   #107 
  - Calif voters and ledge. keep voting for more services and make it impossible to increase taxes.  Captain Hilts   Nov-20-09 10:54 AM   #3 
  - Bingo. The politics in this state are so backwards.  Cant trust em   Nov-20-09 10:55 AM   #5 
  - It must be. My firm did a ton of polling there so I focused on the state for  Captain Hilts   Nov-20-09 11:14 AM   #11 
     - I haven't been to rtumble for a while.  Cant trust em   Nov-20-09 11:18 AM   #15 
        - Cool. Best wishes.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 04:42 AM   #147 
  - Yep & just wait till when they get to pay the bill for the US debt  bikingaz   Nov-20-09 06:07 PM   #92 
  - Also at UCLA  fishwax   Nov-20-09 10:57 AM   #6 
  - UCD - 52 individuals were hauled away in the Black Maria  Brother Buzz   Nov-20-09 11:35 AM   #23 
     - Awesome. This is impressive. And well timed, too.  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 01:31 PM   #50 
  - Good for them!!!  jemsan   Nov-20-09 10:57 AM   #7 
  - First words out of my mouth.  Gregorian   Nov-20-09 10:58 AM   #8 
  - Colleges have been a microcosm of our economy.  bulloney   Nov-20-09 11:17 AM   #14 
  - After the report I saw on Amy's show today, I think education is just their cover  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 11:32 AM   #22 
  - I urge everyone to listen to it. n/t  Daphne08   Nov-20-09 12:54 PM   #44 
  - damn-site down for maintenance. Will you elaborate?  mod mom   Nov-20-09 01:30 PM   #49 
     - It's up now!  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 01:32 PM   #51 
        - Excellent coverage as usual. Thanks  mod mom   Nov-20-09 01:55 PM   #60 
  - +1. The Boston area has so many schools, hospitals and churches, each of  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 04:51 AM   #148 
  - More uneducated people is exactly what the Republican party needs, though  wryter2000   Nov-20-09 01:40 PM   #56 
     - Oh yeah, "College" Republicans!  alp227   Nov-20-09 11:07 PM   #113 
     - The Republicans figured out how to have it both ways, though. Educated folk tend  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 05:20 AM   #150 
  - That's tradition I can get behind.  no_hypocrisy   Nov-20-09 10:59 AM   #9 
  - +10  Tikki   Nov-20-09 11:54 AM   #28 
  - Again?  MaineDem   Nov-20-09 11:07 AM   #10 
  - Except, in the 60s, it was about war and civil rights  question everything   Nov-20-09 11:15 AM   #13 
  - Um, some of the busiest activists in the Bay Area work or study at Cal.  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 11:22 AM   #19 
  - Well, it's hard to hold college students responsible for the last 6 years.  Coventina   Nov-20-09 11:24 AM   #20 
  - Time to burn credit cards (instead of draft cards)  blue97keet   Nov-20-09 12:37 PM   #40 
  - Hit them with high student loans and you kill the protesting spirit.  caseymoz   Nov-20-09 01:36 PM   #52 
  - Bingo,  wickerwoman   Nov-20-09 03:06 PM   #73 
  - Excellent point. That is probably when the tuition and salaries started climbing out of  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 05:11 AM   #149 
  - ...And getting drafted.  Robb   Nov-20-09 03:07 PM   #74 
  - Absolutely! Glad you Said It! Prop 13, Reagan, personal greed,  Riverman   Nov-20-09 03:25 PM   #79 
  - Where have we been?  Misanth   Nov-20-09 09:37 PM   #109 
  - Of course. Blaming any of this on college kids is very unfair.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 07:26 AM   #158 
  - P.S. Welcome to DU, Misanth.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 07:40 AM   #160 
  - I had the exact same thought. But, I am glad to see the protest spirit nonetheless. It's  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 05:29 AM   #151 
  - And in the late 80s during the South Africa divestment protests. n/t  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 11:20 AM   #18 
  - That should solve the budget problems in CA.....  stray cat   Nov-20-09 11:14 AM   #12 
  - It's not a deficit problem, it's an allocation problem.  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 11:24 AM   #21 
  - The faculty should be protesting  frazzled   Nov-20-09 11:18 AM   #16 
  - When I went to call in the 70's...  wryter2000   Nov-20-09 01:43 PM   #57 
  - My guess is that financial aid will be preserved for students who can't afford ...  frazzled   Nov-20-09 04:10 PM   #85 
     - We need to get rid of the ballot proposition system  wryter2000   Nov-20-09 04:45 PM   #88 
     - The University makes its own money and how many middle class families  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 05:34 PM   #91 
        - Where did you get that figure?  frazzled   Nov-20-09 10:49 PM   #111 
           - Not $10K a semester? Even so, that prices a lot of middle class people  EFerrari   Nov-21-09 11:13 AM   #127 
  - Fat chance. Tuition pays faculty salaries.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 05:58 AM   #153 
  - Go, Cal!  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 11:19 AM   #17 
  - I was an English major at Cal.  Arugula Latte   Nov-20-09 11:41 AM   #24 
     - No, we weren't..  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 11:44 AM   #25 
  - All of our state schools are doing it whether it is UC or CSU.  ej510   Nov-20-09 11:44 AM   #26 
  - The police are in riot gear and are trying to break down the doors to Wheeler  jemsan   Nov-20-09 11:57 AM   #29 
  - UPDATE from TWITTER  dana_b   Nov-20-09 12:28 PM   #38 
     - Is it campus police or Berkeley PD?  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 01:29 PM   #48 
  - They are not as dependent on government subsidies, so California's budget problems are not theirs.  Unvanguard   Nov-20-09 12:44 PM   #41 
  - Now, THAT's a headline I haven't seen in awhile...  Love Bug   Nov-20-09 12:01 PM   #30 
  - I know!  dana_b   Nov-20-09 12:06 PM   #34 
  - Good for them!  Joey Liberal   Nov-20-09 12:03 PM   #31 
  - Other institutions have been raising tuition annually for years.  LuckyLib   Nov-20-09 12:03 PM   #32 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Nov-20-09 12:03 PM   #33 
  - Thank God for students.  dotymed   Nov-20-09 12:13 PM   #35 
     - America's size, suburbs, exurbs, etc., etc., and the evisceration of unions/labor  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 06:10 AM   #154 
  - UCSC Students Occupy Admin Building & Issue Demands  dana_b   Nov-20-09 12:22 PM   #36 
  - cool  optimator   Nov-20-09 12:25 PM   #37 
  - If you really want to understand the situation at the UC's then read this..  jemsan   Nov-20-09 12:29 PM   #39 
  - 32% hike????? holy shit.  Javaman   Nov-20-09 01:07 PM   #45 
  - meanwhile the President makes $880,000/year  NorCalDem   Nov-20-09 02:21 PM   #65 
     - If only the Regents took cuts too...haha ,god forbid a janitor should keep his/her job!!  jemsan   Nov-20-09 09:41 PM   #110 
     - I say create a ballot initiative for next year to make the UCs manage their money better  alp227   Nov-20-09 11:22 PM   #115 
     - I bet salaries are only the tip of the iceberg. In Boston and Cambridge, free housing in  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 06:47 AM   #156 
  - Shades of 1963 and the FSM.  Jackpine Radical   Nov-20-09 01:14 PM   #46 
  - I was 14  TheCentepedeShoes   Nov-20-09 06:52 PM   #97 
  - My memory played me false. It was 1964.  Jackpine Radical   Nov-20-09 07:07 PM   #100 
  - FSM = October & November 1964 N/T  clixtox   Nov-21-09 08:18 AM   #122 
     - Yes, indeed.  Jackpine Radical   Nov-21-09 01:45 PM   #131 
  - FIGHT THE POWER!  Capn Sunshine   Nov-20-09 01:22 PM   #47 
  - Divestment at Cal, 1985.  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 01:49 PM   #59 
     - right on!  Capn Sunshine   Nov-20-09 02:01 PM   #61 
  - Good for the Students!  Ken Burch   Nov-20-09 01:37 PM   #55 
  - Radical!  Haole Girl   Nov-20-09 01:45 PM   #58 
  - I'm confused. I keep reading "FEES", not tuition. They are different.  progressivebydesign   Nov-20-09 02:03 PM   #62 
  - Damn hippies!  edbermac   Nov-20-09 02:04 PM   #63 
  - Cast of Hair?  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 07:09 AM   #157 
  - Apparently last night some students locked themselves into Mrak Hall at UC Davis  dubeskin   Nov-20-09 02:17 PM   #64 
  - it's true  dana_b   Nov-20-09 02:38 PM   #68 
  - I'm proud of those kids!  Vidar   Nov-20-09 02:32 PM   #67 
  - YAY!!!!!!!! SIT IN!!! SIT IN!!!  Odin2005   Nov-20-09 02:40 PM   #69 
  - The state is broke...  Imajika   Nov-20-09 02:50 PM   #71 
  - state is broke, and Ahnold is uber-rich from movies & play acting a Terminator  wordpix   Nov-21-09 10:08 PM   #139 
  - Used to be it took a war for Berkeley students to take over a campus building  Harry Monroe   Nov-20-09 02:59 PM   #72 
  - It's still about war.  wickerwoman   Nov-20-09 03:18 PM   #77 
  - It's about more than just money. I wish the people on this forum knew what they were talking about.  jemsan   Nov-20-09 04:22 PM   #86 
  - My university administration is already salivating about poaching faculty from California  marshall   Nov-20-09 08:47 PM   #104 
  - It's not just money. It's access to education.  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 05:32 PM   #90 
  - Tax the rich. NOW. Without higher education for THE MASSES, we  kestrel91316   Nov-20-09 03:09 PM   #75 
  - I am so proud of these brave students.  freddie mertz   Nov-20-09 03:13 PM   #76 
  - I got paid to go to college....  Bigmack   Nov-20-09 03:21 PM   #78 
  - did they burn their draft cards?  Mari333   Nov-20-09 03:26 PM   #80 
  - You GO kids....at last...some people willing to take a stand!  winyanstaz   Nov-20-09 03:49 PM   #84 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-09 04:26 PM   #87 
     - I tried to read your post, and it was interesting as far as I got, but after  tblue37   Nov-20-09 06:19 PM   #94 
  - Go for it, kids!  Liberty Belle   Nov-20-09 06:10 PM   #93 
  - Congrats, Liberty Belle!  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 06:33 PM   #96 
  - Bastards pulled all the fire alarms  Ratty   Nov-20-09 06:59 PM   #99 
  - If it makes you feel any better, most of them were out there, too.  EFerrari   Nov-20-09 07:25 PM   #101 
  - Tuition at Georgia public universities is paid for if you graduate High School with a 3.0 GPA.  aikoaiko   Nov-20-09 08:54 PM   #106 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-20-09 11:21 PM   #114 
     - Georgia isn't without its issues, I agree.....  aikoaiko   Nov-21-09 07:08 AM   #119 
        - interesting to note the ratio of  Tuesday Afternoon   Nov-21-09 10:36 AM   #126 
  - Hopefully it spreads to the University of Michigan.  roamer65   Nov-20-09 10:51 PM   #112 
  - Class warfare.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-21-09 08:38 AM   #123 
  - Video of police beating students from yesterday's rally...  jemsan   Nov-21-09 10:34 AM   #125 
  - The American police today are militarized to suppress dissent...  clixtox   Nov-21-09 07:27 PM   #132 
  - I'm from Pittsburgh. We're used to it here after the G-20.  Kievan Rus   Nov-21-09 07:34 PM   #134 
  - Good lord. Thanks.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 07:36 AM   #159 
  - Spoil Brats....  Red1   Nov-21-09 11:59 AM   #128 
  - People generally don't care about stuff until it directly affects them  marshall   Nov-21-09 01:13 PM   #129 
  - face it, you're not going to get protests like that without a draft  wordpix   Nov-21-09 10:11 PM   #140 
  - You mean, when these kids were 11 years old? See also, Misanth's post upthread.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 07:45 AM   #161 
  - It's kind of sad though that the only thing that gets students active these days...  time_has_come   Nov-21-09 10:36 PM   #141 
  - Disagree. Posts upthread covered the topic.  No Elephants   Nov-23-09 07:48 AM   #162 
  - I wonder how many associate deans the California state university system employs.  beyond cynical   Nov-23-09 12:47 PM   #163 
 

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