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Sun Nov-15-09 08:47 PM
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| 53. I had cancer treatmant last year under government run Medicare |
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The final bill was WELL over $100,000. I paid a couple of thousand bucks total in co-pays for drugs, to doctors, and the hospital, and the insurance giants didn't have a chance to stick their noses into my treatment options or take a dime in profits and administrative fees. My treatment was between me and my doctor and the government didn't get between us like the Republican drones always whine about.
Insurance companies selling Medicare Advantage cost the health care system almost THREE TIMES the cost of government run Medicare in profits and administrative fees. That is a bad thing, IMO.
President Obama and the Democrats keep repeating that the president promises not to cut "guaranteed" Medicare benefits but I've never heard any of them explain exactly what they mean by "guaranteed" Medicare benefits. And I'm afraid Medicare recipients will not be very happy when we find out.
I'm for health care reform more than most people I know but I want it done right from the start. Not some half-assed plan that allows the greedy bastards that have been pillaging the health care system for fun and profit, denying coverage, getting between patients and their doctors, running defacto death panels, to increase their premiums and profits while finding new ways to deny coverage.
Single payer is the only answer and if the Democrats can't get it done they are going to pay for it at the polls. I guarantee that. We didn't give them a majority and the White House to get lame excuses and the rest of this bullshit.
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| -Report: Bill would reduce senior care |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-14-09 09:11 PM |
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Do you believe the article? eoq |
tsuki |
Nov-14-09 09:15 PM |
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yes I do |
jemsan |
Nov-14-09 09:18 PM |
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The article states that the study was done by: |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-14-09 09:26 PM |
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"similar to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office" |
mac56 |
Nov-14-09 09:36 PM |
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The second quote I posted is from the CBO |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-14-09 09:55 PM |
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Not the CBO |
Sgent |
Nov-16-09 11:22 AM |
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Is that the same Richard S. Foster who failed to release the actual cost of medicare part D? |
fasttense |
Nov-15-09 06:21 AM |
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Bingo. |
tsuki |
Nov-16-09 05:11 AM |
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You don't take away $500 billion without some serious effects |
Alhena |
Nov-15-09 03:19 PM |
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That's the extra "profit" to pay private companies to provide Medicare Advantage. |
SharonAnn |
Nov-15-09 09:00 PM |
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No. The article misstates the cuts which were aren't really cuts but |
quiller4 |
Nov-16-09 02:00 AM |
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I do, as friends of ours have their own medical practice |
joeglow3 |
Nov-16-09 12:40 PM |
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No, but I remember Obama ads targeting McCain, saying McCain would cut medicare... |
Deja Q |
Nov-14-09 09:26 PM |
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wow, those youtube clips are devastating |
Psephos |
Nov-14-09 11:12 PM |
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And let's not forget this is just ONE of the unacceptable points in this bill |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-14-09 09:37 PM |
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Single payer is the best choice for a reason. |
TacticalPeek |
Nov-14-09 09:40 PM |
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And given 1900 pages of stuff that John Boner is too lazy to read, a fresh new system is |
Deja Q |
Nov-14-09 09:43 PM |
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The story is believable. |
SpankMe |
Nov-14-09 09:52 PM |
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Worse is this, particularly what people responding to it say: |
Deja Q |
Nov-14-09 09:54 PM |
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Oh, the AARP supported Bush's plan-D garbage. AARP is just another lobby... |
Deja Q |
Nov-14-09 09:55 PM |
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AARP licenses its name to insurance companies to sell AARP-branded medical insurance. |
Psephos |
Nov-14-09 11:26 PM |
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Yep! They license to United Health Care! Watch their |
napi21 |
Nov-15-09 01:36 AM |
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It's not a secret - but it is a strong financial reason for them to back the plan. |
Psephos |
Nov-15-09 01:44 AM |
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That explains the low membership costs. |
Turbineguy |
Nov-15-09 11:15 AM |
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AARP is a very BIG "For Profit " Health Insurance Corporation. |
bvar22 |
Nov-15-09 07:44 PM |
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As I understand it, most of the savings is coming from cuts |
napi21 |
Nov-14-09 10:00 PM |
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I hope so. |
Deja Q |
Nov-14-09 10:06 PM |
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Yes very easy! I've also heard there is a bill to increase reimbursements to |
napi21 |
Nov-14-09 10:13 PM |
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Way-cool |
Deja Q |
Nov-14-09 10:20 PM |
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Right you are! |
CANDO |
Nov-14-09 10:20 PM |
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EXACTLY. The Democratic effort... |
YvonneCa |
Nov-14-09 11:27 PM |
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You make it sound like a bad thing. |
Psephos |
Nov-14-09 11:29 PM |
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Medicare Advantage Plans are much cheaper to the participant. |
napi21 |
Nov-15-09 12:00 AM |
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Umm, are trying to say that raising Advantage premiums to my mom is a good thing? |
Psephos |
Nov-15-09 12:48 AM |
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I'm willing to pay more to get the rest of you HC! I honestly think $39/mo |
napi21 |
Nov-15-09 01:33 AM |
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Yes, that's a cool sentiment, but you sidestepped the main question. |
Psephos |
Nov-15-09 01:43 AM |
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I believe since the gov't will only be funding this program, it |
napi21 |
Nov-15-09 02:27 AM |
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Why is your mother not using traditional Medicare? |
CANDO |
Nov-15-09 08:35 PM |
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I had cancer treatmant last year under government run Medicare |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-15-09 08:47 PM |
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I'm with you all the way on single-payer. n/t |
Psephos |
Nov-15-09 09:48 PM |
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That is my understanding also. Those "Advantage" plans are............ |
pattmarty |
Nov-15-09 07:48 AM |
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Not when you look at the CBO report... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-15-09 03:00 PM |
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Wake me up |
Mz Pip |
Nov-14-09 10:13 PM |
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The Republicans aren't "thrilled" because the cuts will be coming........ |
pattmarty |
Nov-15-09 09:32 AM |
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So, Reform Is Too Successful? That's A Good Reason For Opposing Single Payer, Too. |
TomCADem |
Nov-14-09 10:47 PM |
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Link to the report: |
TacticalPeek |
Nov-14-09 11:29 PM |
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Cuts to Medicare Advantage program. Nice try though. eom |
smiley_glad_hands |
Nov-14-09 11:33 PM |
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Medicare was out of balance before all of this |
creeksneakers2 |
Nov-15-09 12:24 AM |
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My question as well, especially with enrollment going from 46 milion to 79 million... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-15-09 02:58 PM |
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another reason this bill sucks |
winyanstaz |
Nov-15-09 02:32 AM |
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This public circus has gone on long enough... |
hayu_lol |
Nov-15-09 05:03 AM |
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exactly!! |
winyanstaz |
Nov-15-09 02:52 PM |
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This kind of "study" always |
FlaGranny |
Nov-15-09 07:10 AM |
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Of course, Congress could pass a law that says providers |
Vinca |
Nov-15-09 07:16 AM |
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If BO is making decisions to be re-elected, he can forget it, ain't gonna happen. |
FreeStateDemocrat |
Nov-15-09 08:08 AM |
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Another way to say the same thing-revenue will decrease for hospitals |
underpants |
Nov-15-09 08:12 AM |
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Exactly how much can be saved from the Medicare Advantage Plans and... |
slipslidingaway |
Nov-15-09 10:19 AM |
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So which is it? Either Medicare has a lot of fraud and waste, or it doesn't. The pubes say it does |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-15-09 08:46 PM |
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Here's an article from the AP I read this morning on Mediare fraud |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-15-09 08:54 PM |
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What a surprise! The WaPo runs a critical article! Now THAT'S news! And a newbie... |
Honeycombe8 |
Nov-15-09 08:47 PM |
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You sound like my Republican acquaintances |
unaffiliated liberal |
Nov-15-09 08:52 PM |
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hmmmmmm....is right |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-16-09 11:18 AM |
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It would be terrific if we got our military out of Iraq/Afghanistan |
Marthe48 |
Nov-16-09 12:06 PM |
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Democrats fought for a decade to get Medicare and you believe they now want to destroy it? |
Winterblues |
Nov-16-09 04:20 PM |
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The Democrats who fought for a decade to get Medicare in the 1960's are not the Democrats of today |
No Elephants |
Nov-17-09 10:30 AM |
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