| 174. "AP" = Corporate Press. |
| -Venezuela Sends 15,000 Troops to Colombia Border |
Flaneur |
Nov-06-09 03:39 PM |
#0 |
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Apparently I got here too early. The frenzied Chavez flog fest hasn't begun. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-06-09 03:56 PM |
#1 |
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Rush hasn't told them what to say yet. |
RedCloud |
Nov-06-09 09:20 PM |
#14 |
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Rush would HATE him for defeating the drug cartel that serves his corporate world, et al. nt |
sicksicksick_N_tired |
Nov-07-09 07:58 PM |
#112 |
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You'd think they'd break down and start trying to think things over, wouldn't you? n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 08:29 PM |
#115 |
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Chavez |
enid602 |
Nov-06-09 03:56 PM |
#2 |
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No, the powers that be want to destabilize Venezuela so that the oil ... |
ShortnFiery |
Nov-06-09 03:59 PM |
#3 |
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Chavez |
enid602 |
Nov-06-09 04:07 PM |
#4 |
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Right on, Shortenfiery. |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-06-09 10:29 PM |
#16 |
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So if I can fill in the blanks that you are shooting. |
wolfgangmo |
Nov-06-09 04:10 PM |
#5 |
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wow |
enid602 |
Nov-07-09 10:11 AM |
#26 |
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The Colombian government is also fighting their own civilian citizens |
EFerrari |
Nov-06-09 04:19 PM |
#6 |
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The Colombian government and the paramilitaries (death squads) have done it so often |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-06-09 04:32 PM |
#7 |
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Are you aware |
Zorro |
Nov-07-09 09:07 AM |
#24 |
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Didn't you know? Inconvenient facts like that get ignored here. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:31 AM |
#29 |
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post # 27 is quite explicit |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-07-09 11:41 AM |
#37 |
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Maybe you would provide any reference you have on this subject, |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 11:42 AM |
#38 |
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Okay |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 12:08 PM |
#39 |
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Two explanations are offered. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 01:39 PM |
#41 |
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Yes, Google is fun. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 03:41 PM |
#49 |
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Colombia military in bomb scandal |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 03:54 PM |
#59 |
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Yes, I'm aware of corruption |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:10 PM |
#68 |
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Corruption? Try taking the prize for the most murdered labor organizers |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:19 PM |
#71 |
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Why do you confuse my condemning the FARC's violence with supporting the paramilitary's violence? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:25 PM |
#76 |
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I'm not confused in any way. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:34 PM |
#83 |
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If you're honestly seeing this clearly |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 06:38 PM |
#103 |
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Speaking of stealing, they are guilty of being unable to steal the BIG STUFF, |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 07:45 PM |
#111 |
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Please post any credible links you may have to substatiate your claim. |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 11:38 AM |
#35 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 02:10 PM |
#44 |
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Amnesty International attributes 92% of the murders of union leaders to the Colombian military |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-08-09 12:57 PM |
#130 |
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Source? |
JackRiddler |
Nov-08-09 03:54 PM |
#139 |
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So the Colombian campesinos I met last summer who had been |
roody |
Nov-06-09 04:36 PM |
#8 |
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FARC is guilty of many of the exact same crimes... |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:33 AM |
#30 |
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So both sides are warring against unarmed civilians. |
roody |
Nov-07-09 02:15 PM |
#46 |
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Supply Off Oil |
CHIMO |
Nov-06-09 06:48 PM |
#12 |
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"Colombia is fighting the FARC; nothing more, nothing less." Not true. |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-08-09 12:32 PM |
#128 |
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Agreed. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 12:39 PM |
#129 |
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What a waste... |
BolivarianHero |
Nov-06-09 04:41 PM |
#9 |
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The right-wing generals next door are their problem, not Honduras. |
L. Coyote |
Nov-06-09 05:06 PM |
#10 |
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CRA |
Greenheron |
Nov-06-09 06:27 PM |
#11 |
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Good for Chavez! |
Vidar |
Nov-06-09 09:09 PM |
#13 |
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How is this a positive development? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:34 AM |
#31 |
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Everything's good if Chavez does it, remember? (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Nov-07-09 04:28 PM |
#79 |
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Chavez has allowed safe haven for the FARC |
Zorro |
Nov-06-09 09:26 PM |
#15 |
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Explain allow safe haven. |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-06-09 10:35 PM |
#17 |
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Google FARC Venezuela safe haven |
Zorro |
Nov-06-09 10:57 PM |
#18 |
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Why don't you save the poster some time and just post the fax. nt |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 12:24 AM |
#19 |
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Are you denying that FARC hasn't had a safe haven in Venezuela? |
Zorro |
Nov-07-09 08:40 AM |
#23 |
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You've been called on this so often, it's too boring to take up again. n/t |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 03:21 PM |
#47 |
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So are you denying that FARC hasn't had a safe haven in Venezuela? |
Zorro |
Nov-07-09 03:49 PM |
#55 |
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Cram your frame. FARC along with tens of thousands of refugees |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 03:56 PM |
#60 |
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FARC has been pretty good at driving civilians from areas as well |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:07 PM |
#64 |
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Civilians flee armed conflict if they can, very true. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:09 PM |
#67 |
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Frankly, I don't think it's that clear cut. Not anymore, anyway. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:18 PM |
#70 |
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Excuse me, WHEN YOU BUILD CREMATORIA |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:20 PM |
#72 |
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Source? Because I'm assuming this is a reference to something |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:24 PM |
#75 |
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Link to my thread of May 09 |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:28 PM |
#80 |
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According to your source, 2001. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:35 PM |
#84 |
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No, the paramilitaries are an ongoing problem, not in the past, |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:37 PM |
#87 |
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Boyoboy |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 06:40 PM |
#104 |
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Here's more recent information from Canada on the Colombian paras: |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 08:23 PM |
#114 |
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Thanks for the reads. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 10:53 PM |
#123 |
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Your claim paras are "out of operation" has been repudiated for years by Amnesty, and HRW, |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-08-09 04:06 PM |
#140 |
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Are you intentionally building straw men to knock down or are you just misreading my posts? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 04:09 PM |
#142 |
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It's inevitable they will slow down as the number of people they can afford to mutilate and murder |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 05:10 PM |
#93 |
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Waitwaitwait |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 06:41 PM |
#105 |
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Ah, the voice of reason! Did I really indicate they have run out of people to kill? |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 07:37 PM |
#109 |
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Returning the land to who? The people who left for the cities? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 10:52 PM |
#122 |
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It would be a good idea to have a grasp of the situation, wouldn't it? This may help: |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-08-09 02:03 PM |
#132 |
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While I'm sure your heart is in the right place |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 02:26 PM |
#135 |
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It was a clear response to your post: |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-08-09 03:24 PM |
#137 |
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The only thing clear is that |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 04:11 PM |
#143 |
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"REMNANTS" of the paramilitaries? Amnesty International, HRW blew the whistle on this yarn long ago |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 04:36 PM |
#85 |
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International Criminal Court warns Colombia on paramilitaries |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-08-09 02:31 PM |
#136 |
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Amnesty International's report was 2005. 92% of union leaders murdered by the Colombian military |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-08-09 01:18 PM |
#131 |
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Are you sure? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 02:06 PM |
#133 |
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Better yet, let me break this down |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 02:24 PM |
#134 |
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LOL - do they still use faxes? n/t |
bitchkitty |
Nov-07-09 02:15 PM |
#45 |
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Okay, efax. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 03:21 PM |
#48 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-07-09 12:36 AM |
#21 |
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So, they could also have their teams (or interns) 'oping' us on DU and |
peacetalksforall |
Nov-07-09 07:52 AM |
#22 |
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Baloney. Colombia is out of control and their decades long internal warring |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 12:29 AM |
#20 |
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He didn't start, but he's certainly meddled in it. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:36 AM |
#33 |
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So now defending your borders is "meddling"? |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 03:41 PM |
#50 |
| -
You're clearly misrepresenting my argument. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 03:46 PM |
#51 |
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Do a search. He was asked to mediate |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 03:54 PM |
#58 |
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Actually. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:05 PM |
#61 |
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Right, the talks "broke down" because Chavez talked to FARC. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:13 PM |
#69 |
| -
Actually, no |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:20 PM |
#73 |
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LOLOL. So, Chavez was accused by that little pair of stained panties, Uribe |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:23 PM |
#74 |
| -
Okay, let's try this again. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:27 PM |
#78 |
| -
Forgive me if I don't step into your lobster pots. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:32 PM |
#81 |
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Look, I realize you don't like Bush or Uribe - frankly, I don't either, |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 06:29 PM |
#100 |
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You either are innocent or willfully misinforming this board. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 08:31 PM |
#116 |
| -
Misinformed about what? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 10:41 PM |
#121 |
| -
You're exactly right! |
WriteDown |
Nov-08-09 11:09 AM |
#126 |
| -
FARC-Chavez connection is quite obvious for those of us who watch Telesur |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-07-09 10:39 AM |
#27 |
| -
Farc - Chavez and his sidekick Correa from Ecuador |
Bo |
Nov-07-09 01:09 PM |
#40 |
| -
Bunch of very successful idiots. So sorry! |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:07 PM |
#65 |
| -
LOL. Right. For those of you who showed up after the coup |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:06 PM |
#63 |
| -
Who else? How about tens of thousands of demonstrators? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 04:08 PM |
#66 |
| -
You deny the evidence? Check the footage, you speak spanish |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-07-09 04:26 PM |
#77 |
| -
INTERPOL is STILL working with Venezuela and not with Colombia. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:33 PM |
#82 |
| -
You just like to slalom, salam |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-07-09 04:37 PM |
#86 |
| -
And now you try to insult me by likening me to a Muslim. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:38 PM |
#88 |
| -
no seas pesada habibi |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-07-09 09:11 PM |
#118 |
| -
Right. It was just a coincidence just like every single right wing talking point |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 10:12 PM |
#119 |
| -
EFerrari reaches a new record of arbitrary absurdity |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-08-09 09:09 AM |
#124 |
| -
So I have missed all your posts in support of Democrats. |
EFerrari |
Nov-09-09 12:33 AM |
#178 |
| -
Betawfiq |
Dunedain |
Nov-09-09 11:59 AM |
#181 |
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What evidence do you have leading you to be comfortable with trying to slander EFerrari obliquely?nt |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 05:31 PM |
#98 |
| -
On top of which, he's consistently acted as the FARC's PR man to the international community |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:35 AM |
#32 |
| -
How curious -- Zorro again defends Uribe's mass graves & Death Squads |
troubledamerican |
Nov-07-09 03:51 PM |
#56 |
| -
I don't see anyone defending mass graves or death squads |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 03:54 PM |
#57 |
| -
I hear an echo in here. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:43 PM |
#90 |
| -
Take the Zorro challenge, TA |
Zorro |
Nov-07-09 04:06 PM |
#62 |
| -
Uribe's nickname is Zorro. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 08:45 PM |
#117 |
| -
I remember the guy with the mask, sword and whip.... |
WriteDown |
Nov-09-09 06:22 AM |
#179 |
| -
I see the fascists defending Columbia's fascist government |
fascisthunter |
Nov-07-09 09:28 AM |
#25 |
| -
Some people use the term "fascist" far too loosely. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:37 AM |
#34 |
| -
Fascism in Latin America has roots at least as far back as the 1930's, |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 01:46 PM |
#43 |
| -
Siiiiiiiiigh. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 03:48 PM |
#53 |
| -
Then we have you on record defending these murderers. Thanks. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 05:13 PM |
#95 |
| -
Oh I see, insisting on an accurate use of politcal terms |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 06:32 PM |
#102 |
| -
Colombia's mass graves & Far-Right Death Squads aren't "fascist" enough. |
troubledamerican |
Nov-07-09 03:47 PM |
#52 |
| -
Define fascism for me. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 03:49 PM |
#54 |
| -
Why are you here defending murder of the people? |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:39 PM |
#89 |
| -
Why are you here posting straw man after straw man? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 06:30 PM |
#101 |
| -
That's a very lame excuse unless you have no access to The Google. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 07:19 PM |
#106 |
| -
It isn't an excuse, it's a description of your posts |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 07:22 PM |
#107 |
| -
Nope. That's your black and white thinking, not mine. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 07:35 PM |
#108 |
| -
Right, my words used to describe your posts. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 10:39 PM |
#120 |
| -
pro-corporate sycophants of fascist leaders |
fascisthunter |
Nov-08-09 11:01 AM |
#125 |
| -
More loose terminology |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 12:03 PM |
#127 |
| -
surrre... you go with that |
fascisthunter |
Nov-08-09 03:37 PM |
#138 |
| -
It takes more than your dislike of something for it to be "fascist", sorry if that's tough to hear. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 04:07 PM |
#141 |
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Re: dictators opposed to term limits. Was FDR a dictator? He ran for and won FOUR terms |
Peace Patriot |
Nov-08-09 06:44 PM |
#144 |
| -
Context. |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 10:21 PM |
#176 |
| -
When the CIA hates a country, it creates disturbances in order to weaken it |
MarlaM |
Nov-07-09 11:06 AM |
#28 |
| -
Of course, the CIA are not the only ones who use those methods |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-07-09 11:39 AM |
#36 |
| -
Oh shit, this isn't good |
Taverner |
Nov-07-09 01:42 PM |
#42 |
| -
The truth is that no one in Latin America is happy with this |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 04:44 PM |
#91 |
| -
It's not good no matter what way you look at it |
Taverner |
Nov-07-09 05:00 PM |
#92 |
| -
That's a good yardstick. Lula is a truly moderate voice |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 05:11 PM |
#94 |
| -
Thing is he's suspicious of Chavez |
Taverner |
Nov-07-09 05:14 PM |
#96 |
| -
Lula said in public that you can fault Chavez for a lot of things |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 05:20 PM |
#97 |
| -
Well yeah, Venezuela is a Democracy |
Taverner |
Nov-07-09 06:05 PM |
#99 |
| -
RCTV hosted the 2002 coup in their studios. |
EFerrari |
Nov-07-09 08:02 PM |
#113 |
| -
Why does he have a standing monthly meeting with Hugo Chavez? To keep an eye on him? n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Nov-07-09 07:39 PM |
#110 |
| -
Chavez to troops: Prepare for war with Colombia |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#145 |
| -
Thanks for catapulting the propaganda! |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#146 |
| -
You're welcome! |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#151 |
| -
On the other hand, I didn't come to DU for the express purpose |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#159 |
| -
I really enjoy your posts |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#166 |
| -
cover your ears and stomp around all you want, that's what Hugo said n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Nov-09-09 01:10 PM |
#182 |
| -
Oh, this fucking sucks. |
Ian David |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#147 |
| -
We've seen this before. |
boppers |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#148 |
| -
We've seen this before in spades. Popular leader defending against |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#150 |
| -
Got it... |
WriteDown |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#152 |
| -
It's the press making him say these loony things? |
boppers |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#155 |
| -
No, it's the presstitutes making it look like he's the only one |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#157 |
| -
Yeahbutno. |
boppers |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#160 |
| -
I'll pass, thanks though. |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#162 |
| -
Which corporate predators again? |
YouTakeTheSkyway |
Nov-08-09 10:24 PM |
#177 |
| -
It's not good when anyone does it, be they far left or far right. |
47of74 |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#175 |
| -
Just what we need--another world trouble spot to be involved in... |
Louisiana1976 |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#149 |
| -
It's they furriners agin! They will not leave you people in peace. I have |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#168 |
| -
Another source |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#153 |
| -
"Venezuela's socialist leader..." |
Nevernose |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#154 |
| -
Because they (whoever "they" are) |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#156 |
| -
Poor Hugo. |
boppers |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#158 |
| -
Hugo Chavez invaded another country? Holy shit! |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#161 |
| -
Please re-read the OP. Or Hugo's words. Or mine. |
boppers |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#163 |
| -
I hope all of you remember to check for HUGO CHAVEZ under your beds.. |
EFerrari |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#164 |
| -
Deflection is a time-honored technique. nt |
WriteDown |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#165 |
| -
Wait for her LOL Of Death...it's a killer nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#170 |
| -
"AP" = Corporate Press. |
New Dawn |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#174 |
| -
Oh, my. I was thinking the same. The tinder for a continent-wide conflagration. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#167 |
| -
The war on terror is our middle east policy |
zeemike |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#169 |
| -
People of any sovereign nation have no right to defense from US corporate interests. |
Mithreal |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#171 |
| -
Maybe I should trot out some Democratic quotes calling for war abroad... |
BolivarianHero |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#172 |
| -
"Prepare for war with Colombia" |
Arctic Dave |
Nov-08-09 07:44 PM |
#173 |
| -
The exact declarations from Chavez. |
ChangoLoa |
Nov-09-09 11:06 AM |
#180 |
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