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Reply #44: No they can't. And they certainly won't. [View All]

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44. No they can't. And they certainly won't.
Edited on Fri Nov-06-09 10:19 PM by calimary
That will be the worst of all worlds.

It will:

A) further empower and embolden the Party of "NO."

B) grow big, bright, fat yellow stripes down the backs of wavering Dems who MIGHT have been arm-twistable here - finally finally finally to get something accomplished on this issue for the first time since Harry Truman's day.

C) likely ensure that we lose the majority in 2010, or come close enough that revisiting health care reform thus hobbled isn't even considered an option any longer.

D) give more momentum to the glenn peckers and the tea baggers who'll LOUDLY and WIDELY call this a big personal victory, which may also give them more of their own running for and maybe even winning Congressional seats of their own.

E) dispirit and discourage TOO MANY Democratic grass-roots activists who gave their all AND THEN SOME last year to win workable majorities in both Houses of Congress EXPRESSLY to address some of these long-overdue necessities. And we saw full well how a discouraged base tends to say "the hell with it" and stay home on Election Day.

We will VERY PROBABLY NOT get another shot OF ANY SORT at this - for maybe another generation if we fail now - while we still have a chance!!!! Do you really want to risk that? I say we twist her arm til it damn near breaks off. As i - if she wants or expects ANYTHING for her district besides a used snot rag, she better find a way to be okay with this. Sometimes you've gotta go for it while there's still time. Because the longer this drags out, the less and less hope we have for a positive outcome of ANY sort. Which is exactly why the bad guys are trying desperately to string this out as long as they can. People lose their guts, their enthusiasm, their resolve, after awhile. If you can wear 'em down, you've stolen their win. It's too much to risk.
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  Report: Kosmas now a no vote on health care reform bill Freddie Stubbs  Nov-06-09 08:51 AM   #0 
   Sounds like a one term congresswoman to me. Bring on the primary challenge.  high density   Nov-06-09 08:55 AM   #1 
   I understand the concern  FBaggins   Nov-06-09 09:09 AM   #3 
   What good is the seat if the person filling it cannot support basic core ideals of the party?  high density   Nov-06-09 09:20 AM   #6 
   There are hundreds upon hundreds of votes each year  FBaggins   Nov-06-09 09:26 AM   #7 
   I would typically agree with you, but being on the status quo side of health care reform...  high density   Nov-06-09 09:27 AM   #8 
   You are assuming that because she is opposed to this particular bill that she is in favor of  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 09:56 AM   #12 
      This is the bill and she chooses not to support it. That is support for the status quo.  high density   Nov-06-09 10:38 AM   #19 
         If the bill fails they can go back to the drawing board and create a better one  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 10:43 AM   #20 
            If the bill fails, that's the end.  high density   Nov-06-09 10:49 AM   #23 
            There are 423 days untill the new Congress is sworn in  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 11:00 AM   #25 
               What in the negotiations show that we can get a better bill?  high density   Nov-06-09 11:11 AM   #27 
                  A better bill would be one which has broader support among Democrats  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 02:39 PM   #31 
                     How does one accomplish that exactly?  high density   Nov-06-09 02:43 PM   #32 
                        If it is so broadly supported, then you don't need the Ms. Kosmas' vote or  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 03:01 PM   #35 
                           Hold on a minute. It's November and there have been months of compromise already.  high density   Nov-06-09 03:14 PM   #38 
                              Then let them try and pass it without the moderates. They don't have the votes without them  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 03:20 PM   #40 
            If it goes to the drawingboard,  quakerboy   Nov-06-09 03:12 PM   #37 
            No they can't. And they certainly won't.  calimary   Nov-06-09 10:18 PM   #44 
   Sorry, but health care is the most important vote since the Civil Rights Act.  No Elephants   Nov-06-09 10:01 AM   #15 
   Who decided that supporting this particular bill is a basic core ideal of the party?  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 10:02 AM   #16 
   So you don't think health care reform is a core ideal of the Democratic party?  high density   Nov-06-09 10:44 AM   #21 
   Sure it is, but many Democrats do not agree on what specifics that reform should take  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 10:50 AM   #24 
      The mere fact that she doesn't want to raise the income tax on the rich  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-06-09 11:10 AM   #26 
         Despite what Republcians would like for everyone to beleive, not all Democrats want to raise taxes  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 02:53 PM   #34 
            Nice try. Raising taxes is not the issue. Very far from it. It is repealing the taxes  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-06-09 08:08 PM   #42 
            Someone on another thread, calling himself Blue Dog, suggested it could be a good idea  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-08-09 10:27 AM   #53 
   144,000 dead people each year. n/t  FlaGranny   Nov-07-09 06:12 AM   #45 
   Exactly  C_Lawyer09   Nov-07-09 08:47 PM   #52 
   There will be an attempt in Florida  Florida Blue   Nov-07-09 10:23 AM   #48 
   Could have cost us the seat? Are you sure? And so what? If Democrats who get elected  No Elephants   Nov-06-09 09:58 AM   #13 
   Agreed  kenfrequed   Nov-06-09 09:11 AM   #4 
   Spot on  lsewpershad   Nov-06-09 12:28 PM   #29 
      Three Questions  FBaggins   Nov-06-09 01:18 PM   #30 
   Interestng. Grayson is the one  FBaggins   Nov-06-09 09:09 AM   #2 
   Kosmas' district is more Republican that Grayson's  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 09:39 AM   #9 
      That's right  FBaggins   Nov-06-09 09:52 AM   #11 
   Yes, let 44,829 Americans die every year rather than increasing rich peoples' taxes.  LynnTheDem   Nov-06-09 09:11 AM   #5 
   Was the platform on which she ran just  asjr   Nov-06-09 09:41 AM   #10 
   She was not in Congress when the Bush tax cuts were passed or when any wars were started  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 09:59 AM   #14 
      She's in congress now and I don't care what she promised during the campaign.  No Elephants   Nov-06-09 10:03 AM   #17 
         The voters in her district may care what she promised during the campaign  Freddie Stubbs   Nov-06-09 10:46 AM   #22 
   I can't believe she said she was concerned about tax increases FOR WEALTHIER Americans, as  No Elephants   Nov-06-09 10:10 AM   #18 
   How about Messrs Stubbs and Baggins, then? They sound like two bank robbers don't  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-06-09 11:13 AM   #28 
      I think its fairly obvious  quakerboy   Nov-06-09 03:27 PM   #41 
         A man cannot serve two masters, right? So... they worship money. It's  Joe Chi Minh   Nov-06-09 08:09 PM   #43 
   lol she is concerned over tax increases on wealthy americans  Egnever   Nov-06-09 02:45 PM   #33 
   Trying to protect the rich and willing to screw over America's future  geek tragedy   Nov-06-09 03:05 PM   #36 
   We're concerned about Michaud here in Maine  MaineDem   Nov-06-09 03:16 PM   #39 
   She needs to review her decision, it is a good plan overall  ngant17   Nov-07-09 07:17 AM   #46 
   Tax increases for the wealthy especially concern her.  Cass   Nov-07-09 07:34 AM   #47 
   tax increases for wealthy americans?  Blue_Tires   Nov-07-09 06:46 PM   #49 
   We don't need her then. Put somebody in her spot that will serve the people!  Doremus   Nov-07-09 06:51 PM   #50 
   Kosmas  flpab   Nov-07-09 08:21 PM   #51 
      I sent her a contact letter and expressed my disapointment  watercolors   Nov-08-09 02:29 PM   #54 
 

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