| 226. Not when the choice your really making is about where to mine your votes. |
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One has to have a profile on the issues, or it will be transparent that you are an opportunist. If you stake out a "brave" position, unless it's totally wicked like "two fetuses in every pot," you are going to capture certain voters with it. They will vote for you on the hope that you mean it, and if it you put together a profile on issues like that, and it yields more votes than offended voters, you win.
It is real bravery, though, only if you follow through. Then when it comes down to crunch time, bravery goes out the window with excuses. Because if you act, and it has consequences, including unforeseen ones, then people will hold it against you. Even if it was the right thing.
On this, Obama thought it better to keep it under wraps. Either his ethics about government transparency has limits, or he actually has no ethics about it. I cannot tell yet.
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| -President Signs Law Giving Defense Dept Authority To Exempt Photos From Freedom Of Information Act |
kpete |
Oct-29-09 01:16 PM |
#0 |
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Why, the "change" is coming fast and furiously, this morning! |
villager |
Oct-29-09 01:17 PM |
#1 |
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Yes, it's accelerating! |
FiveGoodMen |
Oct-29-09 01:21 PM |
#3 |
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Hey now. Gay people are now protected under hate crimes, even though they still can't serve openly |
T Wolf |
Oct-29-09 01:24 PM |
#5 |
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He reversed the last-minute oil leases Bush sold just before he left office. |
Bette Noir |
Oct-29-09 01:32 PM |
#8 |
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They only reversed some of the oil leases. In Alaska they still have the go ahead. |
Arctic Dave |
Oct-29-09 01:52 PM |
#12 |
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Hey, don't forget the preemptive Nobel peace price! |
liberation |
Oct-29-09 05:20 PM |
#66 |
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"PRICE"...IS RIGHT!! |
taggline |
Oct-30-09 05:49 AM |
#154 |
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Authorized stem cell research (not terribly controversial anymore), admits to other |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:13 AM |
#157 |
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I can hardly keep up with all this change. |
Mari333 |
Oct-29-09 01:25 PM |
#6 |
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I was going to change the country...but, I changed my mind, instead |
taggline |
Oct-30-09 05:48 AM |
#153 |
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Who knew "change" meant getting Olympia Snowe's vote at all costs, though? |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:10 AM |
#156 |
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Not me. |
chadmak09 |
Oct-29-09 04:20 PM |
#49 |
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He always was just another politician. |
tXr |
Oct-29-09 05:09 PM |
#62 |
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He was merely the lesser of two evils. |
empire we are |
Oct-29-09 05:41 PM |
#74 |
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Obama's first job out of college was with a CIA front company |
EVDebs |
Oct-29-09 07:11 PM |
#87 |
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Pretty soon we're going to have to change the name of the country to CIA, INC. |
defendandprotect |
Oct-29-09 08:46 PM |
#117 |
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"...the left wing of the ruling class" . .. wanted Eugene McCarthy as Pres...!!! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-29-09 08:52 PM |
#119 |
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1/ That wiki article is not exactly solid. 2/ Even if it is true, do you think a college kid knew |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:29 AM |
#158 |
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You mean people actually bought the "hope and change" schtick? |
twitomy |
Oct-29-09 09:13 PM |
#123 |
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Some did ---- I never did |
saigon68 |
Oct-30-09 06:59 AM |
#163 |
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And you want the government to be further left? |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:09 AM |
#167 |
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Depends on the issue... |
twitomy |
Oct-30-09 05:26 PM |
#206 |
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On which things would you like government to be further left? |
No Elephants |
Oct-31-09 09:26 AM |
#213 |
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Wow, I have a following! |
twitomy |
Oct-31-09 01:19 PM |
#225 |
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Its a good bill. We all saw how enraged |
lefty369 |
Oct-29-09 07:47 PM |
#92 |
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Nonsense. The Arab world has already seen the photos.They don't want U to see them |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 07:57 PM |
#95 |
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Covering Bush's ass is a full time job for Obama.Our shame continues |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 07:58 PM |
#96 |
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The photos show torture was systemic not isolated and we tortured innocents to death. |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:00 PM |
#97 |
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Now stick your head back in the sand and forget Bush's crimes.Presidents are above the law |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:01 PM |
#98 |
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Indefinite preventive detention???That's what our founding fathers stood for huh |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:03 PM |
#99 |
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Put you hands in your ears but this is the Bush Obama now. and of course... |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:04 PM |
#100 |
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...it was Joe Liebermann who snuck that provision into the bill for Obama |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:04 PM |
#101 |
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Just like Obama's Joe is making sure the public option is killed like "trigger"Obama wanted |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:06 PM |
#102 |
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Rates not tied to Medicare means premiums for PO will be higher than private plans |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:08 PM |
#106 |
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see post #199 |
snooper2 |
Oct-30-09 12:15 PM |
#200 |
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Americans ought not know what their government does. Knowledge may affect the way they vote! |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:39 AM |
#160 |
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do you only have one thought at a time |
snooper2 |
Oct-30-09 12:12 PM |
#196 |
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and another |
snooper2 |
Oct-30-09 12:12 PM |
#197 |
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and another |
snooper2 |
Oct-30-09 12:12 PM |
#198 |
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meant to reply to 106 instead of 160...but the sub-thread |
snooper2 |
Oct-30-09 12:14 PM |
#199 |
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It upsets the Sheep to see the dark side of the Revered Military |
saigon68 |
Oct-30-09 07:07 AM |
#166 |
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This is wrong on so many levels it is sickening... |
scentopine |
Oct-29-09 08:33 PM |
#111 |
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Excellent post. |
CrispyQ |
Oct-30-09 10:01 AM |
#186 |
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Yes - there are two stimulus programs in USA |
scentopine |
Oct-31-09 10:56 AM |
#223 |
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No ... what prevents torture is holding those responsible for it accountable ... |
defendandprotect |
Oct-29-09 08:47 PM |
#118 |
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Delusional |
pmorlan1 |
Oct-29-09 08:53 PM |
#120 |
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It's a great bill !! |
astroBspacedog |
Oct-29-09 10:38 PM |
#135 |
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Yep, it's the Rumsfeld Doctrine |
tavalon |
Oct-30-09 11:18 AM |
#190 |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:32 AM |
#159 |
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He had no choice |
Ter |
Nov-01-09 01:49 AM |
#228 |
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f'kn bullshit |
barbtries |
Oct-29-09 01:20 PM |
#2 |
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More crap. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Oct-29-09 01:22 PM |
#4 |
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How very, very hopeful and changealicious! n/t |
QC |
Oct-29-09 01:28 PM |
#7 |
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I think it's...changiness. |
chimpymustgo |
Oct-29-09 03:38 PM |
#32 |
| -
But you have to admit--it was a fantastic ad slogan. |
QC |
Oct-29-09 04:01 PM |
#41 |
| -
Was the "testes" a Freudian Slip? LOL ;-) |
liberation |
Oct-29-09 05:22 PM |
#67 |
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LOL! Didn't even notice that. |
QC |
Oct-29-09 05:26 PM |
#71 |
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a lack of same in our leaders, bring the 'T' word out of your sub-conscious? :) (n/t) |
marasinghe |
Oct-29-09 08:33 PM |
#112 |
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More like..."Where's the beef?" (nt) |
CoffeeCat |
Oct-29-09 09:36 PM |
#128 |
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I firmly oppose testes that are less filling. |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:36 AM |
#172 |
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Is that like truthiness? |
tavalon |
Oct-30-09 11:19 AM |
#191 |
| -
Disappointing. |
Bette Noir |
Oct-29-09 01:32 PM |
#9 |
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America the Free!!!!! |
fascisthunter |
Oct-29-09 01:33 PM |
#10 |
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Transparency? |
paparush |
Oct-29-09 01:41 PM |
#11 |
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Freedom Of Some Information Act |
Oregone |
Oct-29-09 02:00 PM |
#13 |
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But hell, photos aren't information, right? |
AlbertCat |
Oct-29-09 03:49 PM |
#37 |
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The photos from viet Nam ended that war. |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 08:09 PM |
#108 |
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well, you know - we have a more responsible main-stream media now, than back in the 60's. |
marasinghe |
Oct-29-09 08:57 PM |
#122 |
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If you liked SURGE 1 |
saigon68 |
Oct-30-09 07:00 AM |
#164 |
| -
Uh, no it didn't. |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-30-09 04:02 AM |
#150 |
| -
So, the light at the end of the tunnel was a flash bulb? |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:44 AM |
#161 |
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Those photos jeapardize their personal, er I mean National security. |
DUlover2909 |
Oct-29-09 04:47 PM |
#55 |
| -
Almost totally Freedom of Some Information Act -- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-29-09 09:50 PM |
#130 |
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The best way we can fight for them, IMO, is to donate to the ACLU, which IS fighting for them |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:13 AM |
#168 |
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I'm a contributing member .... |
defendandprotect |
Oct-30-09 10:43 AM |
#189 |
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Based on your posts, I assumed that. I hope others read my post, though. |
No Elephants |
Oct-31-09 09:49 AM |
#218 |
| -
Today's Daily Disappointment |
MsLeopard |
Oct-29-09 02:01 PM |
#14 |
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I don't think he had a choice |
Qutzupalotl |
Oct-29-09 02:11 PM |
#15 |
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Neither did Bushler... |
WriteDown |
Oct-29-09 02:32 PM |
#17 |
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CIA contractors started the torture under Bush. |
Qutzupalotl |
Oct-29-09 03:25 PM |
#27 |
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Nope, the CIA made Bush start that program. |
WriteDown |
Oct-29-09 03:30 PM |
#28 |
| -
Isn't sarcasm supposed to be funny? |
Qutzupalotl |
Oct-29-09 03:45 PM |
#34 |
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About as funny as Obama being controlled by the CIA |
WriteDown |
Oct-29-09 03:53 PM |
#39 |
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I guess the DU archives of 2001-2008 are full of posts by you condemning torture then? |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 09:29 AM |
#182 |
| -
I forgive you for that.... |
WriteDown |
Oct-30-09 10:04 AM |
#187 |
| -
To the contrary, you know otherwise. And, I'll take that as a no, the archives of DU are not |
No Elephants |
Oct-31-09 09:34 AM |
#216 |
| -
If you can signal me where the CIA is holding you.. |
WriteDown |
Oct-31-09 09:56 AM |
#219 |
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And Obama has no plans to prosecute Bush, so no threats are necessary. |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:51 AM |
#162 |
| -
There could have been threats before Holder's decision not to prosecute. |
Qutzupalotl |
Oct-30-09 12:40 PM |
#201 |
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I don't think this has a thing to do with the CIA. |
No Elephants |
Oct-31-09 09:38 AM |
#217 |
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Yes he had a choice. The CIA isn't Obama's boss. Remember JFK fired CIA Director Allen Dulles |
Xicano |
Oct-29-09 04:40 PM |
#53 |
| -
And look where that got him. n/t |
Qutzupalotl |
Oct-29-09 05:03 PM |
#60 |
| -
I am pretty sure that was the point of the OP... |
liberation |
Oct-29-09 05:23 PM |
#68 |
| -
Yes . . . we had a dead president and Dulles got promoted to Warren Commission--!! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-29-09 09:51 PM |
#131 |
| -
Mission accomplished |
Scruffy1 |
Oct-29-09 02:29 PM |
#16 |
| -
What a chickenshit move by Obama. |
Flaneur |
Oct-29-09 02:35 PM |
#18 |
| -
We are seeing in some respects, from a corporate & imperialistic standpoint there is no difference. |
GreenTea |
Oct-29-09 02:55 PM |
#20 |
| -
Just another of "change we can believe in". |
pattmarty |
Oct-29-09 02:54 PM |
#19 |
| -
Upsetting |
Dogtown |
Oct-29-09 02:58 PM |
#21 |
| -
Obama and Dems |
placton |
Oct-29-09 03:05 PM |
#22 |
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used to get calls from DSCC et al |
guyton |
Oct-29-09 03:05 PM |
#23 |
| -
Agreed. No more Dem party money EVER AGAIN. |
freddie mertz |
Oct-29-09 04:26 PM |
#50 |
| -
Fist bump. I am now donating to support the ACLU, Amnesty International and |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:05 AM |
#165 |
| -
lol |
d_b |
Oct-29-09 03:13 PM |
#24 |
| -
What a choice that was. |
tXr |
Oct-29-09 05:17 PM |
#65 |
| -
Obama/Biden promised change of substance |
bikingaz |
Oct-29-09 09:28 PM |
#126 |
| -
Obama won't get any money from me |
lebkuchen |
Oct-29-09 03:15 PM |
#25 |
| -
Screwed again. Screw you, Obama! |
katandmoon |
Oct-29-09 03:20 PM |
#26 |
| -
I'm running out of hope and good will, Mr. President. This isn't the change you promised. |
Piewhacket |
Oct-29-09 03:30 PM |
#29 |
| -
k/r |
Solly Mack |
Oct-29-09 03:34 PM |
#30 |
| -
Ya know... |
Cherchez la Femme |
Oct-29-09 03:36 PM |
#31 |
| -
I think mayge he was fibbing about that whole transparency thing. |
Tim01 |
Oct-29-09 03:41 PM |
#33 |
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I'm not happy about the non release of the photos, but |
Jefferson23 |
Oct-29-09 03:47 PM |
#35 |
| -
Just like "health care reform", |
dgibby |
Oct-29-09 03:47 PM |
#36 |
| -
Getting on the HopeMobile! |
RetroLounge |
Oct-29-09 03:51 PM |
#38 |
| -
Oh, the audacity! |
Art_from_Ark |
Oct-29-09 08:32 PM |
#110 |
| -
Which of the two evils (torture, the evidence) is worse? |
alp227 |
Oct-29-09 04:00 PM |
#40 |
| -
No,. Besides, the last 8 years (including 2009) have given the Taliban and Al Qaeda with more than |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:33 AM |
#170 |
| -
P.S. What do you think might give Al Qaeda more recruits, the photos of what occurred during |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 09:54 AM |
#185 |
| -
So much for transparency....so much for change... |
winyanstaz |
Oct-29-09 04:01 PM |
#42 |
| -
This is just wrong. n/t |
EFerrari |
Oct-29-09 04:04 PM |
#43 |
| -
GIve a little take a little. What is the reason for the non transparency |
The Wielding Truth |
Oct-29-09 04:10 PM |
#44 |
| -
crapola from our WH!! |
joeycola |
Oct-29-09 04:12 PM |
#45 |
| -
Well, I guess change is only in my pocket. |
Javaman |
Oct-29-09 04:12 PM |
#46 |
| -
Thanks to Joe Liebermann for creating the bill that was just signed n/t |
bunnysoft |
Oct-29-09 04:16 PM |
#47 |
| -
And to the Democratic Congress for passing it and to the Democratic President for |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:38 AM |
#173 |
| -
Yesterday: "YAY HE SIGNED THE HATE CRIMES BILL HE'S SO AWESOME!" |
Chulanowa |
Oct-29-09 04:18 PM |
#48 |
| -
and? |
chadmak09 |
Oct-29-09 04:35 PM |
#52 |
| -
You really don't understand the nature of a hate crime, do you? |
Chulanowa |
Oct-29-09 04:45 PM |
#54 |
| -
You should be behind bars in both situations, permanently |
Ahpook |
Oct-29-09 07:04 PM |
#86 |
| -
Thought should never be a crime. |
Laelth |
Oct-29-09 08:06 PM |
#104 |
| -
If the crime is done to terrorize others then it is a hate crime. |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 10:54 PM |
#140 |
| -
Kind of surprising, isn't it? |
Chulanowa |
Oct-30-09 12:08 AM |
#144 |
| -
That is dangerous ground. Besides, why isn't that simply terrorism, which is a crime in itself? |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 08:00 AM |
#176 |
| -
you got it wrong |
chadmak09 |
Oct-29-09 08:06 PM |
#105 |
| -
Actually you have very good points there... |
winyanstaz |
Oct-30-09 02:49 AM |
#149 |
| -
Good point, but we are always posting/talking about people who get |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:57 AM |
#175 |
| -
Glenn Beck, is that you? |
Jim Sagle |
Oct-29-09 05:15 PM |
#63 |
| -
Nonsense, motivation is always a consideration in the judicial process. nt |
Umbral |
Oct-29-09 08:40 PM |
#113 |
| -
Motive and opportunity may be considered, but never like this. |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 08:15 AM |
#177 |
| -
hate crimes were routinely unpunished in this country |
noiretextatique |
Oct-30-09 12:48 PM |
#202 |
| -
It's about issues--or should be--not about whether Obama is good or bad. |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:43 AM |
#174 |
| -
One day we celebrate, the next we're rending our shirts |
Chulanowa |
Oct-31-09 01:12 PM |
#224 |
| -
So now they'll take hires pics of all incriminating docs and burn the paper copies |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-29-09 04:30 PM |
#51 |
| -
Yup....a new loophole. |
Zodiak |
Oct-29-09 05:28 PM |
#72 |
| -
Champaign Corks popping all over Washington! |
bvar22 |
Oct-29-09 04:48 PM |
#56 |
| -
Groan, |
irislake |
Oct-29-09 04:52 PM |
#57 |
| -
You already stated the reason the right-wingers hate the French |
Zodiak |
Oct-29-09 05:24 PM |
#69 |
| -
It's a little worse than that where I live. It's not just the French. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-30-09 05:43 AM |
#152 |
| -
If America were demographically and geographically like France, and Congress had not eviscerated the |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 08:30 AM |
#178 |
| -
C E N S O R S H I P . . . |
Lena inRI |
Oct-29-09 04:56 PM |
#58 |
| -
i'm sure GD:P is already putting a spin on this one |
FLAprogressive |
Oct-29-09 04:56 PM |
#59 |
| -
no, actually, it's crickets about this. I asked two of his most ardent, uncritical |
niyad |
Oct-31-09 09:22 AM |
#212 |
| -
You're doing a Heckuva Job Obama. /golfclap |
Grinchie |
Oct-29-09 05:08 PM |
#61 |
| -
What's there to say? It's just pathetic. nt |
RedCappedBandit |
Oct-29-09 05:17 PM |
#64 |
| -
These photos are very low on the things I truly care about. |
high density |
Oct-29-09 05:25 PM |
#70 |
| -
Without the Abu Ghraib pics, we wouldn't know about the abuse nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-29-09 05:35 PM |
#73 |
| -
But we know about it now and the abuse has been stopped |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-29-09 05:59 PM |
#77 |
| -
Re: The abuse (supposedly) having ended, please see Reply #181. |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 09:40 AM |
#183 |
| -
have you been listening all the times he has said that he "wants to look forward, not back" and |
niyad |
Oct-31-09 09:27 AM |
#214 |
| -
A torture investigation goes directly back to 9/11, which is why Obama's scared *less |
EVDebs |
Oct-29-09 07:21 PM |
#89 |
| -
Not sure why you think abuse has ended. Everything I've seen about extraordinary rendition says |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 09:09 AM |
#181 |
| -
I believe that the TORTURE has ended |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-30-09 11:59 AM |
#195 |
| -
By "abuse, I mostly meant mostly torture.. The purpose of extraordinary rendition is |
No Elephants |
Oct-31-09 10:03 AM |
#220 |
| -
Why the Hate? This is a Judgment Call. And the bill INCLUDES transfer of Guantanamo prisoners |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-29-09 05:48 PM |
#75 |
| -
Who said anything about prosecuting Bush and Cheney? |
rollingrock |
Oct-29-09 06:25 PM |
#79 |
| -
yes. let us hope |
kaehele |
Oct-29-09 06:29 PM |
#81 |
| -
Dissent is not hatred. |
EFerrari |
Oct-29-09 08:44 PM |
#116 |
| -
Didn't you know Obama is just Bush with a halloween mask? |
davidpdx |
Oct-29-09 10:28 PM |
#134 |
| -
What is he doing, really? |
caseymoz |
Oct-29-09 10:59 PM |
#141 |
| -
Obama is on the side of re-election and also on the side of having as much leeway |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 08:42 AM |
#179 |
| -
Maybe, but then as a self-seeking man without integrity, he's on their side. nt |
caseymoz |
Oct-30-09 02:51 PM |
#205 |
| -
Maybe this is mostly semantics, casey, but, IMO, choosing a side---meaning a set of issues-- |
No Elephants |
Oct-31-09 10:11 AM |
#221 |
| -
Not when the choice your really making is about where to mine your votes. |
caseymoz |
Oct-31-09 08:54 PM |
#226 |
| -
a/ Why do you equate disagreement/disapproval with hate? B/ Not releasing the photos does NOT |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 07:23 AM |
#169 |
| -
There are some haters here, it seems, and saying something is "myth" is... |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-30-09 11:47 AM |
#194 |
| -
"if he holds the presidency, he can make it all up to us" ??? |
niyad |
Oct-30-09 11:10 PM |
#210 |
| -
so you think dissent and disagreement are hatred? wow |
niyad |
Oct-30-09 11:17 PM |
#211 |
| -
the nazis felt the same way about dissent |
fascisthunter |
Oct-31-09 10:49 AM |
#222 |
| -
Major betrayal. |
caseymoz |
Oct-29-09 05:50 PM |
#76 |
| -
+1 |
Nikki Stone1 |
Oct-29-09 06:39 PM |
#83 |
| -
agreed. |
marasinghe |
Oct-29-09 08:42 PM |
#115 |
| -
more coverup-photos are the real evidence. |
katty |
Oct-29-09 06:19 PM |
#78 |
| -
Let the TRUTH be heard! |
indimuse |
Oct-29-09 06:27 PM |
#80 |
| -
The Audacity of Nope. |
gorfle |
Oct-29-09 06:39 PM |
#82 |
| -
LOL's ...Once he got in there and saw how bad it was he said: |
KoKo |
Oct-29-09 06:45 PM |
#84 |
| -
yep |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
Oct-29-09 10:04 PM |
#132 |
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Wow...I can just FEEL that change... |
truebrit71 |
Oct-29-09 06:59 PM |
#85 |
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The Spanish judge may force the DOJ / CIA into an inquiry |
EVDebs |
Oct-29-09 07:18 PM |
#88 |
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Why is Obama buying the DOD's bill of goods?? |
orbitalman |
Oct-29-09 07:23 PM |
#90 |
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To the tune of $680 billion |
rollingrock |
Oct-29-09 07:35 PM |
#91 |
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this sucks - they keep protecting the criminals n/t |
2Design |
Oct-29-09 07:52 PM |
#93 |
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You have got to be kidding. |
Laelth |
Oct-29-09 07:56 PM |
#94 |
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Spineless political appeasement and good ol boy wink to torture, rape |
scentopine |
Oct-29-09 08:06 PM |
#103 |
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Transparency??? |
vssmith |
Oct-29-09 08:09 PM |
#107 |
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What a bunch of shit. Don't want to dirty our little minds, or remind anyone |
tekisui |
Oct-29-09 08:19 PM |
#109 |
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Just adds to the levels of secret government -- and moves us in the wrong direction!! |
defendandprotect |
Oct-29-09 08:40 PM |
#114 |
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NWO , no matter how you enamor it. |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-29-09 08:54 PM |
#121 |
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Silly question. I know Obama signed it. But if I remember my "Schoolhouse Rock" |
Robb |
Oct-29-09 09:17 PM |
#124 |
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They throw a bone for everyone to chew on while they stab us in the back |
pleah |
Oct-29-09 09:21 PM |
#125 |
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I can't possibly be the only one here to see that... |
eggplant |
Oct-29-09 09:34 PM |
#127 |
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Maybe he needs a taste of Bush Poll numbers to knock some |
humbled_opinion |
Oct-29-09 09:40 PM |
#129 |
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The audacity of....what was that exactly? |
McCamy Taylor |
Oct-29-09 10:08 PM |
#133 |
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Yeah. Watch the UK ambassador to Ubezistan video for why Lieberman made sure to cover up |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 10:42 PM |
#136 |
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"Boiled alive photos".Bush's torture was systemic and massive and done for political gain |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 10:43 PM |
#137 |
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Obama cannot cover up our shame.We must hold this mass murdrer accountable |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 10:45 PM |
#138 |
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Tortured for false confessions to say members of AQ, meant OBL,terror training camps etc |
bjobotts |
Oct-29-09 10:49 PM |
#139 |
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I never believed all the pretty words ... but, I hoped. |
SaveOurDemocracy |
Oct-29-09 11:14 PM |
#142 |
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May have to side with Obama on this one.. |
PatrynXX |
Oct-29-09 11:14 PM |
#143 |
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You should read the thread. Nothing about this is "grey.". Burying the photos is to avoid |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 10:14 AM |
#188 |
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Cover up of the Bush crimes :( n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Oct-30-09 12:22 AM |
#145 |
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a good time to JOIN the ACLU |
grasswire |
Oct-30-09 12:41 AM |
#146 |
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+1. And Amnesty International. Or at least act on the issue of torture via Amnesty's website.... |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 09:48 AM |
#184 |
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here's a kick for that. (eom) |
grasswire |
Oct-30-09 11:33 AM |
#192 |
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Not the change I voted for. |
harry_pothead |
Oct-30-09 12:52 AM |
#147 |
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And thats the point ,what was said ,verse what Is done. |
orpupilofnature57 |
Oct-30-09 08:14 PM |
#209 |
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Sadly - Much Of The Promised Change Was Merely A Change Of Face |
ProleNoMore |
Oct-30-09 12:56 AM |
#148 |
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Give him a break. He's only been president for (insert number here) months... n/t |
rooboy |
Oct-30-09 04:03 AM |
#151 |
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The most open administration in history will tell you everything it doesn't mind your knowing. |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 06:03 AM |
#155 |
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Good for Obama |
katkat |
Oct-30-09 07:34 AM |
#171 |
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A voyeuristic love of torture that can be safisfied with generic snuff films? That is what you |
No Elephants |
Oct-30-09 08:45 AM |
#180 |
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well, censorship. officially. |
robinlynne |
Oct-30-09 11:39 AM |
#193 |
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yes...this is censorship |
noiretextatique |
Oct-30-09 12:50 PM |
#203 |
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I take it this is being signed for the guantamo stuff and not the FOIA stuff? |
Realityhack |
Oct-30-09 01:06 PM |
#204 |
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Well... there goes 6,000+ 9/11 photos we'll never see. n/t |
Mythbuster |
Oct-30-09 05:31 PM |
#207 |
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Quick! |
t0dd |
Oct-30-09 07:03 PM |
#208 |
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kick |
niyad |
Oct-31-09 09:33 AM |
#215 |
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kick.... |
unkachuck |
Oct-31-09 09:22 PM |
#227 |
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