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Response to Reply #65
180. US created Taliban/Al Qaeda . . .financed it at least up to 9/11 . . .
Edited on Fri Oct-30-09 10:29 PM by defendandprotect
CIA did it thru ISI-Pakistan . . .

Additionally, US created the violent Islamic Jihad movement ...
wrote the books, printed the books, shipped the books -- and did all we could to
move this violent notion of "Islam" thru M.E.


Creating the Taliban to try to "bait the Russians into Afghanistan in hopes of giving
them a Vietnam-type experience" . . . is the first part --

Creating violent Islam/creating the books/teachings is the second part ---

he CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan
Interview with Zbigniew Brzezinski,
President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser

Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998

Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs <"From the Shadows">, that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it?

B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Q: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Q: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war? ...


The US spent $100's of millions shooting down Soviet helicopters yet didn't spend a penny helping Afghanis rebuild their infrastructure and institutions.

They also spent millions producing jihad preaching, fundamentalist textbooks and shipping them off to Afghanistan. These were the same text books the Western media discussed in shocked tones and told their audiences were used by fundamentalist teachers to brainwash their charges and to inculcate in young Afghanis a jihad mindset, hatred of foreigners and non-Muslims etc.

Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal?

Or perhaps I should say, "Have you heard about the Afghan Jihad schoolbook scandal that's waiting to happen?"

Because it has been almost unreported in the Western media that the US government shipped, and continues to ship, millions of Islamist textbooks into Afghanistan.

Only one English-speaking newspaper we could find has investigated this issue: the Washington Post. The story appeared March 23rd.

Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Nobody with normal intelligence could expect to distribute millions of violent Islamist schoolbooks without influencing school children towards violent Islamism. Therefore one would assume that the unnamed US officials who, we are told, are distressed at these "unintended consequences" must previously have been unaware of the Islamist content of the schoolbooks.

But surely someone was aware. The US government can't write, edit, print and ship millions of violent, Muslim fundamentalist primers into Afghanistan without high officials in the US government approving those primers.
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     - I think you missed the Bay of Pigs -- and coups and assassinations . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-30-09 10:31 PM   #182 
        - To some degree, I agree with what you're saying  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:05 PM   #191 
           - "In certain instances" . . . ????  defendandprotect   Nov-01-09 01:25 PM   #204 
              - Yes, "in certain instances"  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-01-09 01:32 PM   #206 
                 - Eh . . . no . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-01-09 01:43 PM   #208 
                    - No offense, but...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-01-09 01:51 PM   #209 
                       - Yes ... there are many sources for this information . . .  defendandprotect   Nov-01-09 07:55 PM   #210 
                          - Yep, bye.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-02-09 02:38 PM   #212 
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  - US created Taliban/Al Qaeda . . .financed it at least up to 9/11 . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-30-09 10:25 PM   #180 
  - Well  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:10 PM   #192 
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        - And another thing!  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-01-09 01:39 PM   #207 
           - No one is writing Gospel today, either . . . does that mean the Gospel is over?  defendandprotect   Nov-01-09 08:09 PM   #211 
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     - Actually, the Taliban were targeted from day one  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 01:49 PM   #228 
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     - .... because there's no way we can expect to do better ... so just be happy, don't worry?  defendandprotect   Oct-30-09 10:33 PM   #184 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Oct-28-09 08:59 AM   #3 
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  - Well here's just one link to the death of children  dipsydoodle   Oct-28-09 09:03 AM   #6 
  - Too bad.  closeupready   Oct-28-09 09:57 AM   #14 
  - According to your link  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:30 PM   #85 
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           - your 'philosophical argument' = civilian corpses for us common or garden variety humans  marasinghe   Oct-30-09 09:56 PM   #176 
              - ????  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:11 PM   #193 
  - 1. There is no "war with the U.S." 2. Yes, it is illegal to kill civilians willy-nilly.  WinkyDink   Oct-28-09 11:52 AM   #29 
  - 3. We have not declared war on Pakistan.  wroberts189   Oct-28-09 05:59 PM   #53 
  - No, but we declared war on terrorism. That justifies EVERYTHING.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 04:11 AM   #138 
     - I think it's been pretty clear that the U.S.' efforts have been centered on al-Qaeda and the Taliban  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 01:50 PM   #158 
        - So what's a couple hundred civilians here & there eh?  Overseas   Oct-30-09 11:50 PM   #186 
           - A couple hundred "here and there" or a couple hundred period?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:13 PM   #194 
              - You haven't lived through much warfare if you have to ask.  Overseas   Oct-31-09 10:17 PM   #200 
                 - Let's see...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-01-09 11:18 AM   #201 
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     - Then they can kill you  Alamuti Lotus   Oct-29-09 02:10 PM   #106 
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        - I do clearly see the distinction you are making  Alamuti Lotus   Oct-30-09 02:54 AM   #130 
        - That comes off as a bit of a cop out  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 01:53 PM   #159 
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           - Actually, that's not what I said at all.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 01:58 PM   #160 
              - I'm glad someone makes a reasoned argument  PhD   Nov-04-09 11:36 PM   #239 
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  - whhhhhhhhhhat  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:00 PM   #161 
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     - We have agreements with these nations  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 01:46 PM   #225 
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  - Illegality and reasons therefore also related to counter productivity  existentialist   Oct-28-09 09:11 AM   #7 
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  - They are late as to Bushco, but timely as to the Obamadmin. I posted Reply # 131  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 04:17 AM   #139 
  - May violate? It's assassination without trial.  shadowknows69   Oct-28-09 09:36 AM   #9 
  - They claim it's 18 inches away  jakeXT   Oct-28-09 02:14 PM   #46 
  - Generally, assassination doesn't include a trial.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 10:48 PM   #68 
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        - You obviously didn't read the post I was responding to. Context, my friend.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:01 PM   #162 
  - K&R  Soylent Brice   Oct-28-09 09:38 AM   #10 
  - So long as remote villages are sheltering Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 10:51 PM   #70 
     - We should have the "guts" to acknowledge  Truth2Tell   Oct-29-09 01:44 PM   #103 
     - You can lead a horse to water...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 02:03 PM   #104 
        - So we have killed many enemy fighters...  Truth2Tell   Oct-29-09 02:11 PM   #107 
        - Sigh  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 02:33 PM   #110 
           - I see.  Truth2Tell   Oct-29-09 02:56 PM   #111 
              - Here's some info.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 11:20 PM   #116 
        - Killing Taliban fighters is not the issue. However, we are thinking of partnering with the Taliban.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 04:34 AM   #143 
           - Killing Taliban fighters remains an issue.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:06 PM   #163 
     - Self delete. Duplicate.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 04:22 AM   #141 
     - Carpet bombing in a country with which we are not at war is not a war crime, either?  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 04:29 AM   #142 
     - My oh my, where to start here...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:17 PM   #165 
     - So you ARE ok with collective punishment?  mbperrin   Nov-02-09 02:51 PM   #214 
        - Is it really "collective punishment"?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-02-09 02:55 PM   #215 
           - So what do you consider it? Re-education? Reward? Early ticket to heaven?  mbperrin   Nov-03-09 12:03 PM   #216 
              - A huge distortion  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 12:40 PM   #217 
                 - Now you're being deliberately obtuse. The "handful" killed were collectively  mbperrin   Nov-03-09 02:04 PM   #230 
                    - You don't even know what collective punishment means.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 02:09 PM   #231 
                       - Nice. Here's the first thing on your entry:  mbperrin   Nov-03-09 02:25 PM   #233 
                       - Wonderful, but that in no way affects the definition of the term "collective punishment".  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 02:31 PM   #235 
                          - It's YOUR link! Wiki says that it's disputed.  mbperrin   Nov-03-09 02:34 PM   #236 
                             - Do the homework  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 02:44 PM   #238 
                       - Or how about going to the convention itself?  mbperrin   Nov-03-09 02:30 PM   #234 
                          - It seems to me, if you want to interpret this as strictly as you are here  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-03-09 02:37 PM   #237 
  - Oh don't worry. We can veto the UN and make it all go away.  gtar100   Oct-28-09 09:40 AM   #11 
  - or hit their headquarters problemo  flyarm   Oct-28-09 08:38 PM   #59 
  - Gee, are those Saddam Hussein's drones?  LynnTheDem   Oct-28-09 09:43 AM   #12 
  - Who cares about international law or human rights?  closeupready   Oct-28-09 09:52 AM   #13 
  - And once again, Mr. President,  judy   Oct-28-09 09:57 AM   #15 
  - and we are all paying for murder!! in many ways and will forever! eom  flyarm   Oct-28-09 08:40 PM   #60 
  - i'll be looking to see how  barbtries   Oct-28-09 10:07 AM   #16 
  - The military will make a case with the prez about how our soldiers would  superconnected   Oct-28-09 10:53 AM   #19 
     - he is getting blamed anyway!  flyarm   Oct-28-09 08:41 PM   #61 
     - Who cares what the right wing attacks? Besides, it is not a question of  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:16 AM   #148 
        - Let's hear them.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:18 PM   #166 
  - If they don't like the drones...  Lagomorph   Oct-28-09 10:35 AM   #17 
  - If it takes a drone attack to kill the bastards who organize the bombings of civilians  bertman   Oct-28-09 10:39 AM   #18 
  - When you use the logic that it's OK  Truth2Tell   Oct-28-09 11:49 AM   #27 
  - Those who shelter and aid enemy forces  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 10:55 PM   #72 
     - What makes you think any of the  Truth2Tell   Oct-29-09 12:53 PM   #101 
     - Actually, it's because  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 12:59 PM   #102 
        - What does being under surveillance for several hours  Truth2Tell   Oct-29-09 02:03 PM   #105 
        - A lot?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 02:19 PM   #108 
           - Have ENTIRELY innocent civillians been killed in large numbers  Truth2Tell   Oct-29-09 03:07 PM   #113 
              - Some, certainly.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 11:29 PM   #117 
                 - Imagine if those car bombs hadn't been built at all  Truth2Tell   Oct-30-09 12:15 AM   #126 
                    - Mostly agree  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 12:41 AM   #128 
        - You're accusing others of having a black and white view of this "war?" You have no sense of irony.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:29 AM   #150 
     - How about when the US gave weapons and money to Al Qaeda?  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 03:58 AM   #137 
     - What about it?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:25 PM   #167 
     - nice logic, pal. you should be working in a police swat team.  marasinghe   Oct-30-09 10:15 PM   #178 
        - Apples and oranges.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:14 PM   #195 
  - Well, Bertman, if you can tell me who among the shoulders and legs and arms  Peace Patriot   Oct-28-09 12:16 PM   #35 
  - Seconded  ArcticFox   Oct-28-09 05:52 PM   #52 
  - Caveat.  edwardian   Oct-28-09 08:12 PM   #56 
  - Your argument doesn't change the fact that...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:01 PM   #73 
  - "...if we don't find a way to win this thing." That's the insane logic of war.  Peace Patriot   Oct-29-09 03:01 PM   #112 
  - Win what? Win the war,duh.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 04:20 PM   #114 
     - We CANNOT--I repeat, we CANNOT "win the war" in Afghanistan, any more than we  Peace Patriot   Oct-29-09 07:40 PM   #115 
     - OK, where to start...?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 11:43 PM   #119 
     - I agree with you  mvd   Oct-29-09 11:47 PM   #120 
        - Win them over to what, exactly?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 11:50 PM   #121 
           - We can't force our ways on them  mvd   Oct-29-09 11:52 PM   #122 
              - I guess I'm not sure that that's what we're trying to do  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 11:53 PM   #123 
                 - Yes, plenty  mvd   Oct-29-09 11:55 PM   #124 
                    - Generally, I think the Afghan government has made its own messes  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 12:20 AM   #127 
                       - I would think they are more than minimal  mvd   Oct-30-09 02:07 AM   #129 
                          - Definitely respect that opinion  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:26 PM   #168 
     - Which war? The war against Afghanistan? The one against Iraq?  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:12 AM   #147 
        - You seem to misunderstand exactly what is being considered as far as any alliance with the Taliban  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:33 PM   #169 
  - Most people here are labeling things for what they are. You are an obvious exception.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 04:53 AM   #144 
     - How so?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:33 PM   #170 
  - Not that country of origin or adopted country matters, but, according to wiki...  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:02 AM   #145 
  - I don't think children are "hanging out with them or protecting or sheltering them"  Sabriel   Oct-28-09 02:21 PM   #47 
  - Comparing apples and oranges  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:02 PM   #74 
     - No, that is what YOU did when you tried to pretend that killing Taliban fighters had something  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:04 AM   #146 
        - It does, the civilians in question have been killed in attacks on the Taliban and al-Qaeda  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:35 PM   #171 
  - Bring back the B52s with 20 ton loads?  IDFbunny   Oct-28-09 02:47 PM   #48 
  - You people can't see distinctions?  ArcticFox   Oct-28-09 05:50 PM   #51 
  - Taliban leaders aren't military targets?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:03 PM   #76 
  - Agreed.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:03 PM   #75 
  - You're exactly wrong.  ArcticFox   Oct-28-09 05:46 PM   #50 
  - So much to argue with, but I'll just say that your comment about sending in the troops  bertman   Oct-28-09 07:53 PM   #54 
  - You're fooling yourself  ArcticFox   Oct-28-09 10:36 PM   #64 
     - If you mean there is no DECLARED war I agree with that. But IT IS A WAR. Because YOU.  bertman   Oct-28-09 10:49 PM   #69 
     - The Taliban and al-Qaeda are not "concepts"  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:11 PM   #78 
     - I agree wih your principles, but not with your statement about Congress.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:47 AM   #151 
  - I look at it this way...  edwardian   Oct-28-09 08:17 PM   #57 
  - If your take on things were even remotely accurate  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:12 PM   #79 
  - You use no logic.  edwardian   Oct-29-09 07:13 AM   #90 
     - No, your premise is a half thought out, emotional reaction  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 10:53 AM   #97 
        - You are sound asleep  edwardian   Nov-05-09 02:08 PM   #240 
           - Well, look, if I'm wrong, just present the evidence. I'd be more than glad to take a look.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-05-09 02:27 PM   #241 
  - Som guy playing with a joystick in Nevada IS a cowardly way of doing things  alarimer   Oct-29-09 07:51 AM   #91 
     - No more "cowardly" than a sniper rifle, but then if you're going to talk cowardly  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 10:54 AM   #98 
  - Cowardly?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:09 PM   #77 
     - Your Congress has yet to declare war.  edwardian   Oct-29-09 07:13 AM   #89 
        - Due process? Al-Qaeda declared war on this country and you want to send Gomer Pyle in  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 10:55 AM   #99 
  - " laws which ban arbitrary executions..."  unkachuck   Oct-28-09 08:41 PM   #62 
  - Agreed.  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 10:54 PM   #71 
  - In other words, if it takes killing civilians to kill those who kill civilians....  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:24 AM   #149 
  - In other words  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:38 PM   #172 
  - How about the drone attacks and the suicide/car bombers are all ordered to cease and desist.  pampango   Oct-30-09 02:12 PM   #164 
  - The Taliban haven't abided by any of their agreements thus far, which is why  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-30-09 02:39 PM   #173 
  - Yeah, hey, what's a little Collateral Damage here & there, eh?  Overseas   Oct-30-09 11:53 PM   #187 
     - War without collateral damage is a pipedream  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:15 PM   #196 
        - War against terrorists that creates far more terrorists than it kills is a Fool's Errand.  Overseas   Oct-31-09 09:29 PM   #198 
           - Distorted perception  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-01-09 11:21 AM   #202 
  - I thought we weren't going to look back?  Hubert Flottz   Oct-28-09 10:56 AM   #20 
  - What's the difference if we accidentally kill civilians with drones  TwilightGardener   Oct-28-09 10:57 AM   #21 
  - Using your logic then it's ok to fly planes into buildings  SharksBreath   Oct-28-09 11:35 AM   #22 
  - What? WTF are you rambling about?  TwilightGardener   Oct-28-09 11:39 AM   #24 
  - +9000  frylock   Oct-28-09 11:49 AM   #26 
  - Fail to get what? I asked a simple, very limited question.  TwilightGardener   Oct-28-09 12:07 PM   #33 
  - +9001  Jax   Nov-03-09 01:54 PM   #229 
  - A great many Americans think very much like Al Queda...  Truth2Tell   Oct-28-09 11:56 AM   #32 
  - Deeply offensive. I've had only one person on ignore since the primaries  TwilightGardener   Oct-28-09 12:14 PM   #34 
     - Truth. It's not for everyone. nt  Truth2Tell   Oct-28-09 12:26 PM   #37 
        - Neither are accurate analogies, apparently...  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:15 PM   #81 
  - Please excuse, but you just violated a pet peeve.  juajen   Oct-28-09 12:52 PM   #41 
  - The 9-11 attacks largely and specifically targeted civilians  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:14 PM   #80 
  - Because the odds of accidentally killing them in more "traditional" ways is reduced.  WinkyDink   Oct-28-09 11:56 AM   #30 
  - Not true, just ask the people of Hanoi, Tokyo, and Dresden  ProgressiveProfessor   Oct-28-09 04:42 PM   #49 
  - The sheer ruthlessness of not even losing one U.S. life in the mission that kills 50 others.  Overseas   Oct-31-09 09:32 PM   #199 
     - So you would feel better about the situation with some U.S. soldiers had died?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Nov-01-09 12:50 PM   #203 
  - It's about time the US and its allies are called  azurnoir   Oct-28-09 11:38 AM   #23 
  - Why?  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:16 PM   #82 
     - Becuase we have commited war crimes  azurnoir   Oct-29-09 07:00 AM   #88 
        - They're far more precise than our other option  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-29-09 10:55 AM   #100 
           - Precision is not the issue. "Crime" is the issue.  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 05:56 AM   #152 
  - Be prepared to see Freepers call for Obama to be frog-marched to the Hague.  elocs   Oct-28-09 11:43 AM   #25 
  - Aren't there some more wedding celebrations we can still bomb and "express regrets" over?  WinkyDink   Oct-28-09 11:51 AM   #28 
  - It's interesting how an isolated incident like this is focused on  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:17 PM   #83 
  - That's sweet  The2ndWheel   Oct-28-09 11:56 AM   #31 
  - Now you know why things happened that way on September 11 2001.  Nihil   Oct-29-09 08:03 AM   #92 
  - Surely if the C.I.A. is above  Enthusiast   Oct-28-09 12:19 PM   #36 
  - As long as the president has a D after his name, it's a good thing.  closeupready   Oct-28-09 12:28 PM   #38 
  - I think that this is sick  sattahipdeep   Oct-28-09 02:11 PM   #45 
  - it is so right!!'s making me puke! I feel like i have to wash coming here anymore!  flyarm   Oct-28-09 09:02 PM   #63 
     - You and I - same boat.  closeupready   Oct-29-09 09:07 AM   #95 
  - We're not a first world county anymore. We're a third world war country. That's all, folks. nt  valerief   Oct-28-09 12:43 PM   #39 
  - Good  Vattel   Oct-28-09 12:48 PM   #40 
  - Increased use  sattahipdeep   Oct-28-09 02:08 PM   #44 
  - hmmm and today the UN got hit .interesting eh?  flyarm   Oct-28-09 08:35 PM   #58 
  - The U.N.'s been hit multiple times by radical Islamists  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-28-09 11:19 PM   #84 
  - Why in the hell are we doing all this crap? We need to end these wars ...  defendandprotect   Oct-29-09 12:40 AM   #87 
  - 9-11-2001  IDFbunny   Oct-29-09 11:37 PM   #118 
  - You mean . . . WMD lies about Iraq and ....  defendandprotect   Oct-30-09 10:44 AM   #155 
  - Much rather put it toward single payer  mvd   Oct-30-09 12:00 AM   #125 
  - because iran can't become a threat to saudi arabia's ME oil hegemony?  forum slut   Oct-31-09 01:39 AM   #189 
  - Where was Alton when Bush invaded Iraq to kill Saddam Hussein and his family again?  No Elephants   Oct-30-09 03:22 AM   #131 
  - Stop all the drones. Too much collateral damage.  Overseas   Oct-30-09 09:12 PM   #174 
  - Blackwater in Pakistan  sattahipdeep   Oct-30-09 10:02 PM   #177 
     - Drones PLUS Blackwater ?  Overseas   Oct-30-09 11:44 PM   #185 
     - The overwhelmingly majority of those killed in drone strikes have been combatants  YouTakeTheSkyway   Oct-31-09 09:21 PM   #197 
     - Have tried to forget that we are still even doing business with Blackwater/Xe.  Overseas   Oct-31-09 12:00 AM   #188 
  - This is such a foul thing to be doing . . . while claiming to be a democracy!!  defendandprotect   Oct-30-09 10:24 PM   #179 
  - Yes, foment "FEAR" in the American Populace and our rulers can seemingly justify any atrocity.  ShortnFiery   Nov-03-09 01:08 PM   #222 
  - NO! Say it ain't so. Someone is condemning 'Murikkka for it's murderous warpiggery?  Union Yes   Nov-03-09 02:20 PM   #232 

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