barbtries
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Tue Oct-27-09 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #29 |
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and i don't think it's an accident that it's come to this. how much does this country spend on the MIC compared to what it spends on educating its citizens? it's rapidly approaching the day when only rich kids will be able to be educated well enough to have options that don't necessarily include a stint in the army.
since at least Reagan this has been going on and as i said, i don't think it's an accident. these are our children, and those raised without all the advantages are nothing to the MIC but bodies to throw at their fucking wars. chattel. assets. i don't think they even think of them as human beings. witness stop-loss and the general neglect of the troops, not to mention the fucking WARS.
and i despise that!! my son graduates high school next year. how the hell am i going to get him through college??? he casually mentions he's gonna join the military and i take it as a not so passive form of aggression toward me. he doesn't even appreciate that i cannot take it as a joke and i'd rather move him out of the US than to see him in the military at this point in time, when the USA is involved in these horribly wrong wars of aggression, killing people who even if they want to have no realistic way of posing a threat to us.
he will be 18 years old in May. if he enlists there will be nothing i can do personally to change it. in the meantime he gets an earful on a regular basis about why he just can't do that!
sorry if i don't make sense you touched a nerve but i'm at work.
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 U.S. official resigns over Afghan war |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-27-09 03:38 AM |
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Let this be the first of many |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-27-09 03:41 AM |
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Hopefully, the tide is turning. n/t |
sazemisery |
Oct-27-09 03:53 AM |
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So he fought in Iraq, and that was just dandy...... |
FrenchieCat |
Oct-27-09 04:28 AM |
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Maybe finally.... a light just went on. |
PuraVidaDreamin |
Oct-27-09 06:08 AM |
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Yep... from reading the article |
theHandpuppet |
Oct-27-09 06:19 AM |
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So its coincidence that its under Obama and not Bush? |
LiberalLovinLug |
Oct-27-09 03:06 PM |
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Well lets see now I do follow your point.... |
humbled_opinion |
Oct-27-09 06:52 PM |
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I'm glad this Marine is going home in one piece. Aren't you? |
EFerrari |
Oct-27-09 09:42 AM |
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my brother fought in iraq and also fought in afghanistan.. |
frylock |
Oct-27-09 11:28 AM |
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Thanks For Posting This About Your Brother... I Remember It Took A Long |
ChiciB1 |
Oct-27-09 11:48 AM |
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John Kerry fought in Vietnam and then turned against the war |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-27-09 12:42 PM |
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Who are the 'warmongers' of which... |
YvonneCa |
Oct-27-09 01:23 PM |
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Those that want to continue to wage this useless and wasteful war |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-27-09 01:25 PM |
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No band aids, but Senator Kerry stills sees a need for a limited presence there. |
wisteria |
Oct-27-09 02:55 PM |
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Good point. Iraq was fine with him, but not Afghanistan? n/t |
wisteria |
Oct-27-09 02:51 PM |
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"Was" is past tense, do you have any evidence that he still supports the Iraq war? |
Bjorn Against |
Oct-27-09 07:13 PM |
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I could not find a thing on Hou speaking out against the Iraq War. |
wisteria |
Oct-27-09 09:15 PM |
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The guy did not even have a Wikipedia page until today |
Bjorn Against |
Oct-27-09 09:29 PM |
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Ever hear of IVAW? |
Bjorn Against |
Oct-27-09 07:09 PM |
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if the soldiers said no, |
barbtries |
Oct-27-09 05:35 AM |
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An interesting bit of history |
The Court Jester |
Oct-27-09 06:02 AM |
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i never heard that story. |
barbtries |
Oct-27-09 06:13 AM |
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War is hell. |
edwardian |
Oct-27-09 08:01 AM |
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Are your eyes brown?? You are so full of shit they must be. |
cliffordu |
Oct-27-09 01:08 PM |
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So....war is not hell? Soldiers are not trained to just take orders and kill the enemy? |
AlbertCat |
Oct-27-09 01:38 PM |
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It's a shame you seem to think those of us that served are demons. |
cliffordu |
Oct-27-09 04:58 PM |
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The refusal |
edwardian |
Oct-27-09 08:03 AM |
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Actually, you are channeling Gandhi |
Grinchie |
Oct-27-09 08:41 PM |
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It just shows you the brainwashing and villifying that goes on with the military. |
bulloney |
Oct-27-09 06:17 AM |
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Here's a good version of what happened |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-27-09 08:20 AM |
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They made a movie about this - Joyeux Noel - pretty good flick - link |
BridgeTheGap |
Oct-27-09 08:25 AM |
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i was about to post that...great great film.... |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-27-09 08:42 AM |
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That is the Christmas truce of 1914, the US was Neutral at that time so NOT involved. |
happyslug |
Oct-27-09 09:20 AM |
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Somewhat true account of the event. here are the details. |
gatorboy |
Oct-27-09 10:04 AM |
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That bit of history was made into a pretty good movie |
RufusTFirefly |
Oct-27-09 10:57 AM |
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Garth Brooks wrote a song about that on his Xmas album |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-27-09 11:53 AM |
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wow |
dana_b |
Oct-27-09 01:11 PM |
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I imagine war (from the soldier's viewpoint) isn't about hating as much as it's about |
valerief |
Oct-27-09 01:17 PM |
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That actually happened in 1914, and |
tomg |
Oct-27-09 04:34 PM |
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More info on this great story: |
WarhammerTwo |
Oct-27-09 10:23 PM |
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De ja vu. |
Le Taz Hot |
Oct-27-09 08:24 AM |
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I think a great many soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen serving today... |
nyc 4 Biden |
Oct-27-09 08:43 AM |
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i agree, |
barbtries |
Oct-27-09 12:23 PM |
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It is also true that they are serving at great risk while people here go on without a care |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-27-09 12:44 PM |
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Who are the 'politicians'of which you... |
YvonneCa |
Oct-27-09 01:25 PM |
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Here is a sample... |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-27-09 01:28 PM |
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Dildo knew how to stop a war..... |
pocoloco |
Oct-27-09 11:38 AM |
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Yes, but then the military would be in charge of the CIC, not the other way around.Blaiming |
No Elephants |
Oct-28-09 01:23 PM |
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Let us hope this is the beginning of the end. |
Paper Roses |
Oct-27-09 06:08 AM |
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Obama... get us out of there. PLEASE. nt |
wroberts189 |
Oct-27-09 06:46 AM |
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That would be a decision that would haunt him and us eternally. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 06:49 AM |
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It already is I am sure.. nt |
wroberts189 |
Oct-27-09 07:59 AM |
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Oh how quickly he forgets 9/11 and the 3,066 dead. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 06:47 AM |
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Maybe he started to think that incinerating and dismembering children is no way to prevent |
bread_and_roses |
Oct-27-09 07:42 AM |
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The article mentions he watched "Rescue Me" |
pjt7 |
Oct-27-09 12:08 PM |
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invoking 911 to squelch any dissent is pretty damn republican |
frylock |
Oct-27-09 11:34 AM |
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You're smearing a man who is sacrificing much for his stance. |
Flaneur |
Oct-27-09 12:23 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-27-09 02:16 PM |
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This is a war effort that needs to be demoralized. And ended. |
Flaneur |
Oct-27-09 03:10 PM |
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Afghanistan is the best staging ground for the real fight in Pakistan. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 03:42 PM |
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Talk about Republican rhetoric... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-27-09 10:12 PM |
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I hope you don't seriously think that can never happen. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-28-09 06:07 AM |
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We need to crack down on the corruption... |
AntiFascist |
Oct-28-09 02:34 PM |
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Dupe. I guess the greater powers that be felt that needed to be said twice. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 03:42 PM |
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Projecting much dude? |
liberation |
Oct-27-09 02:09 PM |
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When the next 9/11 happens and everyone is watching a city or two being destroyed by nukes. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 02:22 PM |
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You're suffering from fever dreams. And war creep. |
Flaneur |
Oct-27-09 03:13 PM |
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If there is a democrat within a hundred miles of that Kid. No he won't come after us. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 03:50 PM |
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911 was an Afghani operation? |
No Elephants |
Oct-28-09 01:59 PM |
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The man has a point. |
Jester Messiah |
Oct-27-09 06:48 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Oct-27-09 07:00 AM |
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Thanks for the link. |
ronnie624 |
Oct-27-09 01:16 PM |
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Deja vu -- the late 60s. |
JohnnyLib2 |
Oct-27-09 07:43 AM |
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Good for Hoh. |
Vidar |
Oct-27-09 07:53 AM |
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America ..only country on earth where we forget our past in 5-10 minutes. |
wroberts189 |
Oct-27-09 08:14 AM |
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i can only imagine how many that are still active duty are wondering the same thing. |
Soylent Brice |
Oct-27-09 08:23 AM |
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With all due respect, we have more purpose in Afghanistan than we ever had in Iraq... |
Barack_America |
Oct-27-09 08:35 AM |
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to me Afghanistan is a lost cause, forget about so called "winning" |
bdamomma |
Oct-27-09 08:45 AM |
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It's called mission drift. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Oct-27-09 10:08 AM |
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+10 |
Myrina |
Oct-27-09 10:26 AM |
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the only mission there ever was in Afghanistan... |
mike_c |
Oct-27-09 10:53 AM |
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That is a sound assessment. |
Lasher |
Oct-27-09 12:55 PM |
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No one seems interested in asking for John McCain's advice! |
Plucketeer |
Oct-27-09 12:55 PM |
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mission drift for eight years. |
bdamomma |
Oct-27-09 01:15 PM |
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well said |
dana_b |
Oct-27-09 01:18 PM |
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Finish Cheney's pipeline and you can all come home. |
mikelgb |
Oct-27-09 09:42 AM |
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Courage from Hoh. Time to change course. |
harun |
Oct-27-09 10:27 AM |
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Disobedience to authority?? |
bleedinglib |
Oct-27-09 10:58 AM |
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Things Still Can Be Done |
erpowers |
Oct-27-09 11:45 AM |
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I remember the ORIGINAL intent |
orbitalman |
Oct-27-09 11:52 AM |
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40,000 more troops wouldn't help that either |
Sebastian Doyle |
Oct-27-09 11:58 AM |
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Some of us argued for a more measured response to 9-11, similar to Israel's response |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-27-09 01:31 PM |
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His words say a lot about his character |
BREMPRO |
Oct-27-09 12:10 PM |
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Lullaby for Hamza: Robert Wyatt cover |
earcandle |
Oct-27-09 12:22 PM |
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K&R |
pleah |
Oct-27-09 12:29 PM |
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this is reality hitting the Military, and NWO group |
lovuian |
Oct-27-09 12:42 PM |
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where was his resignation when bush started the mess and illegal wars? |
samsingh |
Oct-27-09 12:53 PM |
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Where were you when the Democrats kissed Bush's ass on the war? |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-27-09 01:29 PM |
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Limbaugh was spinning this like crazy today. Made me sick. |
paparush |
Oct-27-09 01:04 PM |
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Well there you go, this is exactly what I said a little further down. |
wisteria |
Oct-27-09 03:00 PM |
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Do you need any ... |
YvonneCa |
Oct-27-09 03:33 PM |
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Thanks, but I vented my frustration by writing the Oxycotin King a strongly worded email. |
paparush |
Oct-27-09 03:57 PM |
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Thank goodness for the 'strongly worded email'... |
YvonneCa |
Oct-27-09 04:51 PM |
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Ron Paul - saving face & losing lives (great questions) |
SandWalker1984 |
Oct-27-09 01:19 PM |
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Paul is right on |
LiberalLovinLug |
Oct-28-09 04:05 AM |
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Because as everyone knows, anyone who advocates sanity must be a "pot-smoking hippie peacenik" |
Postman |
Oct-27-09 01:49 PM |
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I'm a pot-smoking hippie peacenik and I think we need to stay. |
Wizard777 |
Oct-27-09 02:28 PM |
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If you want to stay in Afghanistan and then go to war with Pakistan you are no peacenik. |
Bjorn Against |
Oct-27-09 07:15 PM |
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+1 |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-27-09 08:07 PM |
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STAY = Pak govt more unstable + Taleban influence growing |
spanza |
Oct-28-09 03:26 PM |
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No. 1 on the empire high score, btw it looks like a neocon wants to run against him |
jakeXT |
Oct-27-09 03:10 PM |
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One man with one opinion. Ripples? I doubt it. |
wisteria |
Oct-27-09 02:50 PM |
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Very well written piece of Propaganda -- Yes Propaganda. |
Grinchie |
Oct-27-09 08:29 PM |
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Sir, No Sir! |
ClayZ |
Oct-27-09 10:38 PM |
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Glad to see this isn't be unrecced all to hell. nt |
earth mom |
Oct-27-09 11:58 PM |
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