Hissyspit
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Thu Oct-22-09 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #52 |
| 56. Go ahead and ignore the warning signs. |
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As I said, I'm not EXCUSING the behavior.
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| -NWA flight overshot Mpls. by 150 miles |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 06:56 PM |
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Cripes. |
truthisfreedom |
Oct-22-09 07:05 PM |
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several of them will be out of work.... |
madrchsod |
Oct-22-09 07:18 PM |
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They "lost situational awareness" and that makes their debate of airline policy moot. |
damntexdem |
Oct-22-09 09:28 PM |
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AND they did not answer the radio calls after 7 pm---WTF? They didn't notice |
wordpix |
Oct-23-09 04:06 PM |
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2 crew members. |
mn9driver |
Oct-22-09 07:39 PM |
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But did they really lose track of time for 15-20 minutes? |
CLANG |
Oct-22-09 07:46 PM |
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Correct. However, they did not respond to air traffic controllers |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:29 PM |
#55 |
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That dose not make sense. You don't just have an argument and miss your landing spot by 150 miles. |
Mr. Sparkle |
Oct-22-09 07:17 PM |
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Seems I remember that the commuter plane crew in upstate NY WERE talking aviaton topics. |
Hissyspit |
Oct-22-09 07:19 PM |
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+1000 |
Zoeisright |
Oct-22-09 07:23 PM |
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This is systemic. Indicative of a larger dysfunction. |
Hissyspit |
Oct-22-09 07:25 PM |
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Yep, it sure is. |
Zoeisright |
Oct-22-09 07:26 PM |
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+1000 for that also."Pilots aren't being paid enough. Many of them have second jobs. I can't believe |
uppityperson |
Oct-22-09 08:44 PM |
#28 |
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+1 |
Canuckistanian |
Oct-22-09 09:35 PM |
#35 |
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No excuse. They have the lives of passengers |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:08 PM |
#44 |
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well said nt |
mule_train |
Oct-22-09 10:10 PM |
#46 |
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See #48. |
Hissyspit |
Oct-22-09 10:15 PM |
#50 |
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Not an excuse. An acknowledgement of how the world works. |
Hissyspit |
Oct-22-09 10:13 PM |
#48 |
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' not being able to think clearly' |
mule_train |
Oct-22-09 10:22 PM |
#52 |
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Go ahead and ignore the warning signs. |
Hissyspit |
Oct-22-09 10:30 PM |
#56 |
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The subjects are related enough that you have no complaint. |
caseymoz |
Oct-24-09 01:33 AM |
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Michael Moore wrote about this in "Downsize This" in *1997*!!! |
SomeGuyInEagan |
Oct-23-09 03:17 PM |
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"EMTs (though they could combine emergency services with pizza delivery, perhaps)" |
KansDem |
Oct-23-09 03:25 PM |
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no |
amborin |
Oct-23-09 11:20 PM |
#97 |
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they were sleeping, I bet nt. |
mattvermont |
Oct-22-09 07:23 PM |
#5 |
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Flight voice recorder will clear this (nt) |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:12 PM |
#47 |
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Unfortunately no. |
Codeine |
Oct-23-09 06:34 PM |
#93 |
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at least one pilot should remain awake |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-23-09 03:09 PM |
#85 |
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What do you expect from Dr. Dre's airline? nt |
WriteDown |
Oct-22-09 07:24 PM |
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lol. |
Liberal_in_LA |
Oct-23-09 03:08 PM |
#84 |
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Distracted, eh? |
cloudbase |
Oct-22-09 07:32 PM |
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The non- essensial coversation rule is only applicable below 10,000 feet |
W T F |
Oct-22-09 07:35 PM |
#11 |
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When they were flying over MSP they should have been |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:10 PM |
#45 |
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This won't happen anymore once we hand the controls over to skynet for good. |
harun |
Oct-22-09 07:41 PM |
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I'm going to use that next time I'm pulled over: "situational awareness" |
Sabriel |
Oct-22-09 07:47 PM |
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glossery: toxic assets, losing situation awareness |
mule_train |
Oct-22-09 09:59 PM |
#42 |
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Unlikely that they fell asleep. |
mn9driver |
Oct-22-09 07:53 PM |
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The CVR can't be pulled for enforcement. it's strictly for crash investagation only |
W T F |
Oct-22-09 08:05 PM |
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The CVR recording would not be used to justify a civil penalty. |
mn9driver |
Oct-22-09 08:30 PM |
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No they won't. It's against the law. and besides that......... |
W T F |
Oct-22-09 08:58 PM |
#29 |
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Yawn. I'm a 22 year captain, |
mn9driver |
Oct-22-09 09:58 PM |
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I always like how these technical arguments end here. nt |
caseymoz |
Oct-24-09 12:33 AM |
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It can and it is |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:33 PM |
#57 |
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My best guess is that they fell asleep. |
W T F |
Oct-22-09 08:11 PM |
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Missed frequency change could easily cause that |
av8rdave |
Oct-22-09 08:36 PM |
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Your right but I did say it was my best guess. |
W T F |
Oct-22-09 09:04 PM |
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You could be right....although stranger things have happened |
av8rdave |
Oct-22-09 09:09 PM |
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A passenger was on the local news |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:19 PM |
#51 |
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weren't they |
amborin |
Oct-23-09 12:18 AM |
#70 |
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Regardless of what one is paid |
svpadgham |
Oct-22-09 08:02 PM |
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You can say that again! (n/t) |
CLANG |
Oct-22-09 08:28 PM |
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It would seem so, but see how that applies to people driving. |
caseymoz |
Oct-24-09 12:41 AM |
#101 |
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best cockpit transcript ever, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-22-09 08:05 PM |
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Screw U... How do you know? Have you ever worked 23 hours in a day.. |
lib2DaBone |
Oct-22-09 08:22 PM |
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What? Insult and non-sequiter all in one post = Wtf? |
uppityperson |
Oct-22-09 08:40 PM |
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I think the post is a stray. It belongs with the one above. |
caseymoz |
Oct-24-09 12:38 AM |
#100 |
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I have actually, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-23-09 01:27 AM |
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delete |
caseymoz |
Oct-24-09 12:35 AM |
#99 |
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scariest recording i ever heard was a crew |
mule_train |
Oct-22-09 09:55 PM |
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the transcript associated with this story is pretty good, too: |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-22-09 11:37 PM |
#65 |
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Cheney would have shot them down |
Gman |
Oct-22-09 08:21 PM |
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Ronald Raygun Deluxe.... |
lib2DaBone |
Oct-22-09 08:31 PM |
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Oh horseshit |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-25-09 10:06 AM |
#108 |
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All of a sudden they're back to calling it Northwest? |
dflprincess |
Oct-22-09 09:18 PM |
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Yes, many flights are still called Northwest |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:39 PM |
#58 |
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for regulatory purposes Northwest is still Northwest |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-22-09 10:49 PM |
#60 |
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I flew to Nashville a few weeks ago |
dflprincess |
Oct-23-09 10:09 AM |
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because it was a Northwest flight, route and crew. |
peacebuzzard |
Oct-23-09 04:36 PM |
#90 |
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they were on a bad rotation; 12 hrs on to Rio, one day sleep, then a long night flight, landing in |
amborin |
Oct-22-09 09:32 PM |
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whoops! i was confusing the NWA with the Delta flight that landed on the taxiway |
amborin |
Oct-23-09 06:33 PM |
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wondered about it. See #80, below (nt) |
question everything |
Oct-23-09 10:56 PM |
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Working too many hours is what I heard |
LisaM |
Oct-22-09 09:35 PM |
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that's comforting |
mule_train |
Oct-22-09 09:53 PM |
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Hey look! Why are those fighter jets out there dogging us, and |
man4allcats |
Oct-22-09 09:36 PM |
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"were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost situational awareness." |
Soylent Brice |
Oct-22-09 09:36 PM |
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Damn straight. I got your +1 right here. |
Brickbat |
Oct-22-09 10:43 PM |
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i have a friend who is an airline stewardess. |
Soylent Brice |
Oct-23-09 04:21 PM |
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We now refer to them as flight attendants |
question everything |
Oct-23-09 04:51 PM |
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My question is how do they lose situational awareness for 75 minutes? |
caseymoz |
Oct-24-09 01:36 AM |
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Oops! |
Odin2005 |
Oct-22-09 10:06 PM |
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Will passengers get the extra FF miles? n/t. |
rayofreason |
Oct-22-09 10:14 PM |
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no, they'll get a larger fuel surcharge for the extra distance nt |
mule_train |
Oct-22-09 10:23 PM |
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An update: |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 10:27 PM |
#54 |
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jets called into action w/comm planes a handful of times a year...except on 9/11 |
nashville_brook |
Oct-22-09 11:31 PM |
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do these pilots have names? |
excess_3 |
Oct-22-09 11:15 PM |
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These pilots are not going to fly any planes |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 11:38 PM |
#66 |
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flight tracker: |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-22-09 11:31 PM |
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Fascinating site. I will have to bookmark it |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 11:46 PM |
#68 |
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flight stats is great too |
amborin |
Oct-23-09 12:20 AM |
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obvious dumb question here: |
Blue_Tires |
Oct-22-09 11:35 PM |
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See the update #54 above |
question everything |
Oct-22-09 11:44 PM |
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Overshoot around DC by 0.15 miles and they shoot you down |
notesdev |
Oct-23-09 12:00 AM |
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over miles |
maglatinavi |
Oct-23-09 01:43 AM |
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Ruthless4Life |
slackmaster |
Oct-23-09 10:59 AM |
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Wandering Flight Spurs Nap Probe |
WriteDown |
Oct-23-09 11:51 AM |
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Both of them are done. Question is, how pervasive is this |
thunder rising |
Oct-23-09 11:51 AM |
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This is a good reason for me to never get a pilot license |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Oct-23-09 11:51 AM |
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Maybe they should attach airline pilots to an electric alarm system to JOLT them awake |
leanderj |
Oct-23-09 11:51 AM |
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Pilot fatigue and an incident in Atlanta |
question everything |
Oct-23-09 12:45 PM |
#80 |
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Airliner overshoots airport; controllers feared hijacking |
MajorChode |
Oct-23-09 01:55 PM |
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I'm surprised they don't. |
Ian David |
Oct-23-09 01:55 PM |
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Are you saying Julie Hagerty should have done to them what she did to Otto? |
MajorChode |
Oct-23-09 01:55 PM |
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That's actually my thought. They were doing something *inappropriate* in that cockpit |
Roland99 |
Oct-25-09 11:32 AM |
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Straight Outta Delta! nt |
Codeine |
Oct-23-09 06:37 PM |
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I Effin' HATED NWA |
Blandocyte |
Oct-23-09 06:51 PM |
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Pilots are making $25,000 a year now??? And how long are we going to have |
defendandprotect |
Oct-24-09 01:05 AM |
#102 |
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Legacy pilots make much more then $25k per year |
Lionshare |
Oct-24-09 10:28 AM |
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I remember Michael Moore commenting on this . .. but a generation ago . . . |
defendandprotect |
Oct-25-09 09:36 AM |
#106 |
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And air travel was reserved for the rich, mostly nt |
Dreamer Tatum |
Oct-25-09 09:59 AM |
#107 |
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I haven't flown since Raygun fired the air traffic controllers. |
mbperrin |
Oct-25-09 11:45 AM |
#110 |
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Well, it was pre-Reagan, but it was in the 1970's .... at least -- |
defendandprotect |
Oct-25-09 05:47 PM |
#111 |
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