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svpadgham Donating Member (374 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 08:02 PM
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17. Regardless of what one is paid
the possibility of dying in twisted airplane wreckage should be enough to keep one from getting distracted while piloting.
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  -NWA flight overshot Mpls. by 150 miles question everything  Oct-22-09 06:56 PM   #0 
  - Cripes.  truthisfreedom   Oct-22-09 07:05 PM   #1 
  - several of them will be out of work....  madrchsod   Oct-22-09 07:18 PM   #3 
  - They "lost situational awareness" and that makes their debate of airline policy moot.  damntexdem   Oct-22-09 09:28 PM   #33 
     - AND they did not answer the radio calls after 7 pm---WTF? They didn't notice  wordpix   Oct-23-09 04:06 PM   #88 
  - 2 crew members.  mn9driver   Oct-22-09 07:39 PM   #12 
     - But did they really lose track of time for 15-20 minutes?  CLANG   Oct-22-09 07:46 PM   #14 
     - Correct. However, they did not respond to air traffic controllers  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:29 PM   #55 
  - That dose not make sense. You don't just have an argument and miss your landing spot by 150 miles.  Mr. Sparkle   Oct-22-09 07:17 PM   #2 
  - Seems I remember that the commuter plane crew in upstate NY WERE talking aviaton topics.  Hissyspit   Oct-22-09 07:19 PM   #4 
  - +1000  Zoeisright   Oct-22-09 07:23 PM   #6 
  - This is systemic. Indicative of a larger dysfunction.  Hissyspit   Oct-22-09 07:25 PM   #8 
  - Yep, it sure is.  Zoeisright   Oct-22-09 07:26 PM   #9 
  - +1000 for that also."Pilots aren't being paid enough. Many of them have second jobs. I can't believe  uppityperson   Oct-22-09 08:44 PM   #28 
  - +1  Canuckistanian   Oct-22-09 09:35 PM   #35 
  - No excuse. They have the lives of passengers  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:08 PM   #44 
  - well said nt  mule_train   Oct-22-09 10:10 PM   #46 
  - See #48.  Hissyspit   Oct-22-09 10:15 PM   #50 
  - Not an excuse. An acknowledgement of how the world works.  Hissyspit   Oct-22-09 10:13 PM   #48 
  - ' not being able to think clearly'  mule_train   Oct-22-09 10:22 PM   #52 
     - Go ahead and ignore the warning signs.  Hissyspit   Oct-22-09 10:30 PM   #56 
  - The subjects are related enough that you have no complaint.  caseymoz   Oct-24-09 01:33 AM   #103 
  - Michael Moore wrote about this in "Downsize This" in *1997*!!!  SomeGuyInEagan   Oct-23-09 03:17 PM   #86 
  - "EMTs (though they could combine emergency services with pizza delivery, perhaps)"  KansDem   Oct-23-09 03:25 PM   #87 
  - no  amborin   Oct-23-09 11:20 PM   #97 
  - they were sleeping, I bet nt.  mattvermont   Oct-22-09 07:23 PM   #5 
  - Flight voice recorder will clear this (nt)  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:12 PM   #47 
  - Unfortunately no.  Codeine   Oct-23-09 06:34 PM   #93 
  - at least one pilot should remain awake  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-23-09 03:09 PM   #85 
  - What do you expect from Dr. Dre's airline? nt  WriteDown   Oct-22-09 07:24 PM   #7 
  - lol.  Liberal_in_LA   Oct-23-09 03:08 PM   #84 
  - Distracted, eh?  cloudbase   Oct-22-09 07:32 PM   #10 
  - The non- essensial coversation rule is only applicable below 10,000 feet  W T F   Oct-22-09 07:35 PM   #11 
  - When they were flying over MSP they should have been  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:10 PM   #45 
  - This won't happen anymore once we hand the controls over to skynet for good.  harun   Oct-22-09 07:41 PM   #13 
  - I'm going to use that next time I'm pulled over: "situational awareness"  Sabriel   Oct-22-09 07:47 PM   #15 
  - glossery: toxic assets, losing situation awareness  mule_train   Oct-22-09 09:59 PM   #42 
  - Unlikely that they fell asleep.  mn9driver   Oct-22-09 07:53 PM   #16 
  - The CVR can't be pulled for enforcement. it's strictly for crash investagation only  W T F   Oct-22-09 08:05 PM   #18 
  - The CVR recording would not be used to justify a civil penalty.  mn9driver   Oct-22-09 08:30 PM   #24 
  - No they won't. It's against the law. and besides that.........  W T F   Oct-22-09 08:58 PM   #29 
     - Yawn. I'm a 22 year captain,  mn9driver   Oct-22-09 09:58 PM   #41 
        - I always like how these technical arguments end here. nt  caseymoz   Oct-24-09 12:33 AM   #98 
  - It can and it is  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:33 PM   #57 
  - My best guess is that they fell asleep.  W T F   Oct-22-09 08:11 PM   #20 
  - Missed frequency change could easily cause that  av8rdave   Oct-22-09 08:36 PM   #26 
     - Your right but I did say it was my best guess.  W T F   Oct-22-09 09:04 PM   #30 
     - You could be right....although stranger things have happened  av8rdave   Oct-22-09 09:09 PM   #31 
     - A passenger was on the local news  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:19 PM   #51 
  - weren't they  amborin   Oct-23-09 12:18 AM   #70 
  - Regardless of what one is paid  svpadgham   Oct-22-09 08:02 PM   #17 
  - You can say that again! (n/t)  CLANG   Oct-22-09 08:28 PM   #23 
  - It would seem so, but see how that applies to people driving.  caseymoz   Oct-24-09 12:41 AM   #101 
  - best cockpit transcript ever,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-22-09 08:05 PM   #19 
  - Screw U... How do you know? Have you ever worked 23 hours in a day..  lib2DaBone   Oct-22-09 08:22 PM   #22 
  - What? Insult and non-sequiter all in one post = Wtf?  uppityperson   Oct-22-09 08:40 PM   #27 
  - I think the post is a stray. It belongs with the one above.  caseymoz   Oct-24-09 12:38 AM   #100 
  - I have actually,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-23-09 01:27 AM   #72 
  - delete  caseymoz   Oct-24-09 12:35 AM   #99 
  - scariest recording i ever heard was a crew  mule_train   Oct-22-09 09:55 PM   #40 
  - the transcript associated with this story is pretty good, too:  Blue_Tires   Oct-22-09 11:37 PM   #65 
  - Cheney would have shot them down  Gman   Oct-22-09 08:21 PM   #21 
  - Ronald Raygun Deluxe....  lib2DaBone   Oct-22-09 08:31 PM   #25 
  - Oh horseshit  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-25-09 10:06 AM   #108 
  - All of a sudden they're back to calling it Northwest?  dflprincess   Oct-22-09 09:18 PM   #32 
  - Yes, many flights are still called Northwest  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:39 PM   #58 
  - for regulatory purposes Northwest is still Northwest  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-22-09 10:49 PM   #60 
  - I flew to Nashville a few weeks ago  dflprincess   Oct-23-09 10:09 AM   #74 
  - because it was a Northwest flight, route and crew.  peacebuzzard   Oct-23-09 04:36 PM   #90 
  - they were on a bad rotation; 12 hrs on to Rio, one day sleep, then a long night flight, landing in  amborin   Oct-22-09 09:32 PM   #34 
  - whoops! i was confusing the NWA with the Delta flight that landed on the taxiway  amborin   Oct-23-09 06:33 PM   #92 
     - wondered about it. See #80, below (nt)  question everything   Oct-23-09 10:56 PM   #96 
  - Working too many hours is what I heard  LisaM   Oct-22-09 09:35 PM   #36 
  - that's comforting  mule_train   Oct-22-09 09:53 PM   #39 
  - Hey look! Why are those fighter jets out there dogging us, and  man4allcats   Oct-22-09 09:36 PM   #37 
  - "were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost situational awareness."  Soylent Brice   Oct-22-09 09:36 PM   #38 
  - Damn straight. I got your +1 right here.  Brickbat   Oct-22-09 10:43 PM   #59 
  - i have a friend who is an airline stewardess.  Soylent Brice   Oct-23-09 04:21 PM   #89 
     - We now refer to them as flight attendants  question everything   Oct-23-09 04:51 PM   #91 
  - My question is how do they lose situational awareness for 75 minutes?  caseymoz   Oct-24-09 01:36 AM   #104 
  - Oops!  Odin2005   Oct-22-09 10:06 PM   #43 
  - Will passengers get the extra FF miles? n/t.  rayofreason   Oct-22-09 10:14 PM   #49 
  - no, they'll get a larger fuel surcharge for the extra distance nt  mule_train   Oct-22-09 10:23 PM   #53 
  - An update:  question everything   Oct-22-09 10:27 PM   #54 
  - jets called into action w/comm planes a handful of times a year...except on 9/11  nashville_brook   Oct-22-09 11:31 PM   #62 
  - do these pilots have names?  excess_3   Oct-22-09 11:15 PM   #61 
  - These pilots are not going to fly any planes  question everything   Oct-22-09 11:38 PM   #66 
  - flight tracker:  Blue_Tires   Oct-22-09 11:31 PM   #63 
  - Fascinating site. I will have to bookmark it  question everything   Oct-22-09 11:46 PM   #68 
  - flight stats is great too  amborin   Oct-23-09 12:20 AM   #71 
  - obvious dumb question here:  Blue_Tires   Oct-22-09 11:35 PM   #64 
  - See the update #54 above  question everything   Oct-22-09 11:44 PM   #67 
  - Overshoot around DC by 0.15 miles and they shoot you down  notesdev   Oct-23-09 12:00 AM   #69 
  - over miles  maglatinavi   Oct-23-09 01:43 AM   #73 
  - Ruthless4Life  slackmaster   Oct-23-09 10:59 AM   #75 
  - Wandering Flight Spurs Nap Probe  WriteDown   Oct-23-09 11:51 AM   #76 
  - Both of them are done. Question is, how pervasive is this  thunder rising   Oct-23-09 11:51 AM   #77 
  - This is a good reason for me to never get a pilot license  JustABozoOnThisBus   Oct-23-09 11:51 AM   #78 
  - Maybe they should attach airline pilots to an electric alarm system to JOLT them awake  leanderj   Oct-23-09 11:51 AM   #79 
  - Pilot fatigue and an incident in Atlanta  question everything   Oct-23-09 12:45 PM   #80 
  - Airliner overshoots airport; controllers feared hijacking  MajorChode   Oct-23-09 01:55 PM   #81 
  - I'm surprised they don't.  Ian David   Oct-23-09 01:55 PM   #82 
     - Are you saying Julie Hagerty should have done to them what she did to Otto?  MajorChode   Oct-23-09 01:55 PM   #83 
        - That's actually my thought. They were doing something *inappropriate* in that cockpit  Roland99   Oct-25-09 11:32 AM   #109 
  - Straight Outta Delta! nt  Codeine   Oct-23-09 06:37 PM   #94 
  - I Effin' HATED NWA  Blandocyte   Oct-23-09 06:51 PM   #95 
  - Pilots are making $25,000 a year now??? And how long are we going to have  defendandprotect   Oct-24-09 01:05 AM   #102 
     - Legacy pilots make much more then $25k per year  Lionshare   Oct-24-09 10:28 AM   #105 
        - I remember Michael Moore commenting on this . .. but a generation ago . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-25-09 09:36 AM   #106 
           - And air travel was reserved for the rich, mostly nt  Dreamer Tatum   Oct-25-09 09:59 AM   #107 
              - I haven't flown since Raygun fired the air traffic controllers.  mbperrin   Oct-25-09 11:45 AM   #110 
              - Well, it was pre-Reagan, but it was in the 1970's .... at least --  defendandprotect   Oct-25-09 05:47 PM   #111 
 

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