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| 31. Reasoned debate? Sources? Citations? Hasn't Europe banned GMO crops for safety reasons? |
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I am sort of new to this subject but from what little I have read these crops CAN cause severe harm to local crops.
A little debate about the science here would be useful, at least for me, to form a reasoned opinion.
Right now instead of tearing apart we should be looking at the scince (and not just corporofascist propaganda and PR)
Gates might be misinformed. sold out, or on to something important.
It is not necessarily either or though.
If the GMO crops threaten humanity and the environment we NEED to know - and to what extent the dangers go
I don't think we can trust Gates or Monsanto or some dweebs on DU to tell the difference
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| -Bill Gates says ideology threatens hunger fix |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 06:21 PM |
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A big FUCK YOU to Mr. Gates. GMO crops are a Pandora's box that should |
kestrel91316 |
Oct-15-09 06:34 PM |
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I'll gladly second your "FUCK YOU" to Gates. |
scarletwoman |
Oct-15-09 07:03 PM |
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Imposing on and opposing nature has saved billions of lives. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:25 PM |
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Yeah, Mr. Gates, your *economic* ideology |
Cal Carpenter |
Oct-15-09 06:44 PM |
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There is a solution that Gates would hate that embraces potentially useful new technology. |
sudopod |
Oct-16-09 12:34 PM |
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Gates has his. |
spotbird |
Oct-16-09 08:28 PM |
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Indeed, Gates is all about Gates. That's been clear for a long time. nt |
bemildred |
Oct-16-09 08:33 PM |
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Please |
LeFleur1 |
Oct-18-09 10:28 AM |
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These people could grow natural crops using agricultural methods that don't strip |
bertman |
Oct-15-09 06:45 PM |
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So why aren't they? |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 06:57 PM |
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Biotech Companies Up GMO Campaign in Africa |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:02 PM |
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And if they are offered a version of Cotton that is resistant to the Jewel Beetle |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:16 PM |
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If it is free, it's fine. |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:17 PM |
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But people were citing dangers to health and environment, not economic hostage taking. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:21 PM |
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So now I am not "people"? |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:25 PM |
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Oh they are. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:27 PM |
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By that logic, sub-Saharans should refrain from using oil or fertilizer, too. n/t |
Psephos |
Oct-15-09 09:06 PM |
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Sure Africa is ripe for experimentation. |
zeemike |
Oct-15-09 10:39 PM |
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News flash, everything is made of chemicals. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 10:57 PM |
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I was not trying to scare you. |
zeemike |
Oct-16-09 04:50 AM |
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AC, because they already have people who live there who can do that. People who would be |
bertman |
Oct-15-09 07:12 PM |
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I don't think they would mind a know it all australian like Norman Borlaug |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:19 PM |
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because cash crops for export on plantations have shoved out small farmers |
diane in sf |
Oct-15-09 07:57 PM |
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Colonial |
tama |
Oct-16-09 02:24 AM |
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Gates just likes things that have Patents and Copy Rights. |
bahrbearian |
Oct-15-09 06:56 PM |
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Wow, look at the hate in this thread. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 06:56 PM |
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The issue here is patenting of GMOs for sale. |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:04 PM |
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And patents may not be an issue. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:09 PM |
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If you think patents are not the issue, you disagree with Monsanto. nt |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:18 PM |
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Oh I do. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:23 PM |
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I'm not opposed to GMO as such, I'm opposed to patenting of genetic material. |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:29 PM |
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That makes sense |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:33 PM |
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Thanks, glad we can agree, though not about Mr Gates. nt |
bemildred |
Oct-15-09 07:35 PM |
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Tell me what invention man has created that has improved the planet we all live on. |
bertman |
Oct-15-09 07:25 PM |
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Depends on your definition of 'improved'. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:29 PM |
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Flood and erosion control are benefits to humans. But, that aside, humans lived just |
bertman |
Oct-15-09 08:18 PM |
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Control |
tama |
Oct-16-09 02:55 AM |
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Do you take vaccines or antibiotics? nt |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 08:18 AM |
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Not lately, why? n/t |
tama |
Oct-16-09 08:22 AM |
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That would be interfering with nature. |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 08:24 AM |
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Strange |
tama |
Oct-16-09 08:54 AM |
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Another example.... |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 09:00 AM |
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Answer to example below |
tama |
Oct-16-09 09:55 AM |
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Is culture part of nature? |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 10:38 AM |
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Yup n/t |
tama |
Oct-16-09 10:47 AM |
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That's tough... |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 10:51 AM |
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Interesting take |
tama |
Oct-16-09 11:00 AM |
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Mutilating sensory organs is far from natural... |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 11:04 AM |
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I'd rather not |
tama |
Oct-16-09 11:28 AM |
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I suppose the debate is on the meaning of the word... |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 01:19 PM |
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Didn't intend to debate |
tama |
Oct-16-09 01:53 PM |
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I prefer discussions over single barrel jack daniels on ice . |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 02:05 PM |
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Damn you! |
tama |
Oct-16-09 02:18 PM |
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Technology is definitely a part of culture... |
Silent3 |
Oct-16-09 01:59 PM |
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Yep |
tama |
Oct-16-09 02:25 PM |
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If you consider humans *in exactly the same way*... |
Silent3 |
Oct-16-09 01:03 PM |
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I thought |
tama |
Oct-16-09 02:49 AM |
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AND they're often toxic and spread like prions n/t |
MisterP |
Oct-15-09 07:20 PM |
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Please cite one. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:22 PM |
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Here's one that is not "concluded safe" |
Trillo |
Oct-15-09 09:55 PM |
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Yeah,Your hatred puts you at the top of the list. |
nosmokes |
Oct-16-09 04:56 PM |
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this card carrying environmentalist seconds gates' opinion |
enki23 |
Oct-15-09 07:12 PM |
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What corporation you carrying that card for? |
nosmokes |
Oct-16-09 04:58 PM |
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Be prepared for flames. |
Codeine |
Oct-18-09 10:06 AM |
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Better to be cautious. What good would it do to given them food to live, only for them |
Honeycombe8 |
Oct-15-09 07:28 PM |
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It's not just food to eat. |
AtheistCrusader |
Oct-15-09 07:31 PM |
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Companion crop, please |
tama |
Oct-16-09 03:04 AM |
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Reasoned debate? Sources? Citations? Hasn't Europe banned GMO crops for safety reasons? |
Liberation Angel |
Oct-15-09 08:00 PM |
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Here's a good documentary: |
wickerwoman |
Oct-18-09 02:34 AM |
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Fuck you and your shitty software... |
santamargarita |
Oct-15-09 08:11 PM |
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Some people insist on a mutant vision of the future |
SpiralHawk |
Oct-15-09 08:29 PM |
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"...regard to how much hunger and poverty might be reduced by it." |
unkachuck |
Oct-15-09 08:39 PM |
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He already gave almost all his money to his foundation. |
Psephos |
Oct-15-09 09:18 PM |
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A foundation that he has control of. |
zeemike |
Oct-15-09 10:35 PM |
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You do make a good point about some foundations, but the B&MGF is a cut above. |
Psephos |
Oct-15-09 11:08 PM |
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PR and tax breaks. |
ipaint |
Oct-18-09 09:37 AM |
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Buffett promised most of his money to the Foundation. I am not sure he's actually given it yet. |
No Elephants |
Oct-16-09 09:25 AM |
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Do you doubt that he will? n/t |
Psephos |
Oct-16-09 08:22 PM |
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The ultimate corporatist pig! |
Vidar |
Oct-15-09 09:04 PM |
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Agreed. n/t |
OhioChick |
Oct-15-09 09:56 PM |
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The ultimate moron |
Mudoria |
Oct-16-09 08:14 AM |
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Does everyone know that Gates has an Iceland seed vault, so when he FUCKS the genetics of our food |
Gman2 |
Oct-15-09 09:06 PM |
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Most people know the consequences of GMO's |
bluesmail |
Oct-15-09 09:32 PM |
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They should have hung Gregor Mendel and burned his body. nt |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 08:21 AM |
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FAIL! Beautiful way to show *exactly* how ignorant you are on the subject. |
nosmokes |
Oct-17-09 05:55 PM |
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GM crops are to agriculture like Bill Gate's Vista is to computers - frightening! |
SandWalker1984 |
Oct-15-09 10:54 PM |
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Not just the patent monopoly and $$; there ARE real health issues |
lunasun |
Oct-15-09 11:25 PM |
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I got to admit |
DeadEyeDyck |
Oct-15-09 11:37 PM |
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No they weren't |
PaulaFarrell |
Oct-16-09 01:31 AM |
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Should we use genetic therapy on people then? |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 08:23 AM |
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That's |
tama |
Oct-16-09 08:58 AM |
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Is it? |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 09:19 AM |
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Yup, |
tama |
Oct-16-09 09:52 AM |
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No... |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 10:22 AM |
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Heh |
tama |
Oct-16-09 10:52 AM |
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Do you know how people breed? |
WriteDown |
Oct-16-09 10:57 AM |
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Again |
tama |
Oct-16-09 11:13 AM |
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Eugenics is INVOLENTARY. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-17-09 01:53 AM |
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Glad to hear they can stand up for themselves. |
earcandle |
Oct-15-09 11:40 PM |
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He probably thinks high fructose corn syrup is good bee food, too |
thecrow |
Oct-15-09 11:54 PM |
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uber capitalist weirdo |
fascisthunter |
Oct-16-09 12:01 PM |
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I'm really, really torn on this issue. |
bejamin wood |
Oct-16-09 12:44 PM |
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No |
tama |
Oct-16-09 01:37 PM |
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Gates is right. |
Odin2005 |
Oct-17-09 01:51 AM |
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How about when you take the choice from others? |
newspeak |
Oct-17-09 11:58 AM |
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Bill Gates is part of the One World Bilderberg Group |
Ter |
Oct-18-09 01:46 AM |
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