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8. I'll gladly second your "FUCK YOU" to Gates.
Edited on Thu Oct-15-09 07:04 PM by scarletwoman
Trapping impoverished farmers into an endless round of buying chemical fertilizers and pesticides and new seeds every planting season is NOT the answer.

Sustainable agricultural practices in harmony with environmental conditions, saving seeds from each harvest to plant next season, planting a variety of food crops rather than monoculture -- there many ways to create successful farming practices that don't rely on indentured servitude to giant agribusiness corporations.

For centuries the Hopi successfully grew corn and other food crops in the freakin' DESERT because they knew how to honor and work with the ecological conditions of where they live.

The Western model of imposing on and opposing Nature instead of working with Nature is a dead end.

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  -Bill Gates says ideology threatens hunger fix bemildred  Oct-15-09 06:21 PM   #0 
  - A big FUCK YOU to Mr. Gates. GMO crops are a Pandora's box that should  kestrel91316   Oct-15-09 06:34 PM   #1 
  - I'll gladly second your "FUCK YOU" to Gates.  scarletwoman   Oct-15-09 07:03 PM   #8 
     - Imposing on and opposing nature has saved billions of lives.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:25 PM   #22 
  - Yeah, Mr. Gates, your *economic* ideology  Cal Carpenter   Oct-15-09 06:44 PM   #2 
  - There is a solution that Gates would hate that embraces potentially useful new technology.  sudopod   Oct-16-09 12:34 PM   #82 
     - Gates has his.  spotbird   Oct-16-09 08:28 PM   #95 
        - Indeed, Gates is all about Gates. That's been clear for a long time. nt  bemildred   Oct-16-09 08:33 PM   #96 
           - Please  LeFleur1   Oct-18-09 10:28 AM   #105 
  - These people could grow natural crops using agricultural methods that don't strip  bertman   Oct-15-09 06:45 PM   #3 
  - So why aren't they?  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 06:57 PM   #6 
     - Biotech Companies Up GMO Campaign in Africa  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:02 PM   #7 
     - And if they are offered a version of Cotton that is resistant to the Jewel Beetle  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:16 PM   #13 
     - If it is free, it's fine.  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:17 PM   #14 
        - But people were citing dangers to health and environment, not economic hostage taking.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:21 PM   #18 
        - So now I am not "people"?  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:25 PM   # 
           - Oh they are.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:27 PM   #23 
        - By that logic, sub-Saharans should refrain from using oil or fertilizer, too. n/t  Psephos   Oct-15-09 09:06 PM   #38 
     - Sure Africa is ripe for experimentation.  zeemike   Oct-15-09 10:39 PM   #44 
        - News flash, everything is made of chemicals.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 10:57 PM   #46 
           - I was not trying to scare you.  zeemike   Oct-16-09 04:50 AM   #57 
     - AC, because they already have people who live there who can do that. People who would be  bertman   Oct-15-09 07:12 PM   #12 
     - I don't think they would mind a know it all australian like Norman Borlaug  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:19 PM   #16 
     - because cash crops for export on plantations have shoved out small farmers  diane in sf   Oct-15-09 07:57 PM   #30 
     - Colonial  tama   Oct-16-09 02:24 AM   #53 
  - Gates just likes things that have Patents and Copy Rights.  bahrbearian   Oct-15-09 06:56 PM   #4 
  - Wow, look at the hate in this thread.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 06:56 PM   #5 
  - The issue here is patenting of GMOs for sale.  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:04 PM   #9 
  - And patents may not be an issue.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:09 PM   #10 
  - If you think patents are not the issue, you disagree with Monsanto. nt  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:18 PM   #15 
  - Oh I do.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:23 PM   #20 
     - I'm not opposed to GMO as such, I'm opposed to patenting of genetic material.  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:29 PM   #26 
        - That makes sense  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:33 PM   #28 
           - Thanks, glad we can agree, though not about Mr Gates. nt  bemildred   Oct-15-09 07:35 PM   #29 
  - Tell me what invention man has created that has improved the planet we all live on.  bertman   Oct-15-09 07:25 PM   #21 
  - Depends on your definition of 'improved'.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:29 PM   #25 
  - Flood and erosion control are benefits to humans. But, that aside, humans lived just  bertman   Oct-15-09 08:18 PM   #33 
  - Control  tama   Oct-16-09 02:55 AM   #55 
     - Do you take vaccines or antibiotics? nt  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 08:18 AM   #59 
        - Not lately, why? n/t  tama   Oct-16-09 08:22 AM   #61 
           - That would be interfering with nature.  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 08:24 AM   #63 
              - Strange  tama   Oct-16-09 08:54 AM   #64 
                 - Another example....  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 09:00 AM   #66 
                    - Answer to example below  tama   Oct-16-09 09:55 AM   #70 
                       - Is culture part of nature?  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 10:38 AM   #72 
                          - Yup n/t  tama   Oct-16-09 10:47 AM   #73 
                             - That's tough...  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 10:51 AM   #74 
                             - Interesting take  tama   Oct-16-09 11:00 AM   #77 
                                - Mutilating sensory organs is far from natural...  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 11:04 AM   #78 
                                   - I'd rather not  tama   Oct-16-09 11:28 AM   #80 
                                      - I suppose the debate is on the meaning of the word...  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 01:19 PM   #85 
                                      - Didn't intend to debate  tama   Oct-16-09 01:53 PM   #87 
                                      - I prefer discussions over single barrel jack daniels on ice .  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 02:05 PM   #89 
                                      - Damn you!  tama   Oct-16-09 02:18 PM   #90 
                             - Technology is definitely a part of culture...  Silent3   Oct-16-09 01:59 PM   #88 
                                - Yep  tama   Oct-16-09 02:25 PM   #91 
  - If you consider humans *in exactly the same way*...  Silent3   Oct-16-09 01:03 PM   #84 
  - I thought  tama   Oct-16-09 02:49 AM   #54 
  - AND they're often toxic and spread like prions n/t  MisterP   Oct-15-09 07:20 PM   #17 
     - Please cite one.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:22 PM   #19 
        - Here's one that is not "concluded safe"  Trillo   Oct-15-09 09:55 PM   #41 
  - Yeah,Your hatred puts you at the top of the list.  nosmokes   Oct-16-09 04:56 PM   #92 
  - this card carrying environmentalist seconds gates' opinion  enki23   Oct-15-09 07:12 PM   #11 
  - What corporation you carrying that card for?  nosmokes   Oct-16-09 04:58 PM   #93 
  - Be prepared for flames.  Codeine   Oct-18-09 10:06 AM   #104 
  - Better to be cautious. What good would it do to given them food to live, only for them  Honeycombe8   Oct-15-09 07:28 PM   #24 
  - It's not just food to eat.  AtheistCrusader   Oct-15-09 07:31 PM   #27 
     - Companion crop, please  tama   Oct-16-09 03:04 AM   #56 
  - Reasoned debate? Sources? Citations? Hasn't Europe banned GMO crops for safety reasons?  Liberation Angel   Oct-15-09 08:00 PM   #31 
  - Here's a good documentary:  wickerwoman   Oct-18-09 02:34 AM   #102 
  - Fuck you and your shitty software...  santamargarita   Oct-15-09 08:11 PM   #32 
  - Some people insist on a mutant vision of the future  SpiralHawk   Oct-15-09 08:29 PM   #34 
  - "...regard to how much hunger and poverty might be reduced by it."  unkachuck   Oct-15-09 08:39 PM   #35 
  - He already gave almost all his money to his foundation.  Psephos   Oct-15-09 09:18 PM   #39 
     - A foundation that he has control of.  zeemike   Oct-15-09 10:35 PM   #43 
     - You do make a good point about some foundations, but the B&MGF is a cut above.  Psephos   Oct-15-09 11:08 PM   #47 
        - PR and tax breaks.  ipaint   Oct-18-09 09:37 AM   #103 
     - Buffett promised most of his money to the Foundation. I am not sure he's actually given it yet.  No Elephants   Oct-16-09 09:25 AM   #68 
        - Do you doubt that he will? n/t  Psephos   Oct-16-09 08:22 PM   #94 
  - The ultimate corporatist pig!  Vidar   Oct-15-09 09:04 PM   #36 
  - Agreed. n/t  OhioChick   Oct-15-09 09:56 PM   #42 
  - The ultimate moron  Mudoria   Oct-16-09 08:14 AM   #58 
  - Does everyone know that Gates has an Iceland seed vault, so when he FUCKS the genetics of our food  Gman2   Oct-15-09 09:06 PM   #37 
  - Most people know the consequences of GMO's  bluesmail   Oct-15-09 09:32 PM   #40 
  - They should have hung Gregor Mendel and burned his body. nt  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 08:21 AM   #60 
     - FAIL! Beautiful way to show *exactly* how ignorant you are on the subject.  nosmokes   Oct-17-09 05:55 PM   #100 
  - GM crops are to agriculture like Bill Gate's Vista is to computers - frightening!  SandWalker1984   Oct-15-09 10:54 PM   #45 
  - Not just the patent monopoly and $$; there ARE real health issues  lunasun   Oct-15-09 11:25 PM   #48 
  - I got to admit  DeadEyeDyck   Oct-15-09 11:37 PM   #49 
  - No they weren't  PaulaFarrell   Oct-16-09 01:31 AM   #52 
     - Should we use genetic therapy on people then?  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 08:23 AM   #62 
        - That's  tama   Oct-16-09 08:58 AM   #65 
           - Is it?  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 09:19 AM   #67 
              - Yup,  tama   Oct-16-09 09:52 AM   #69 
                 - No...  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 10:22 AM   #71 
                 - Heh  tama   Oct-16-09 10:52 AM   #75 
                    - Do you know how people breed?  WriteDown   Oct-16-09 10:57 AM   #76 
                       - Again  tama   Oct-16-09 11:13 AM   #79 
                 - Eugenics is INVOLENTARY.  Odin2005   Oct-17-09 01:53 AM   #98 
  - Glad to hear they can stand up for themselves.  earcandle   Oct-15-09 11:40 PM   #50 
  - He probably thinks high fructose corn syrup is good bee food, too  thecrow   Oct-15-09 11:54 PM   #51 
  - uber capitalist weirdo  fascisthunter   Oct-16-09 12:01 PM   #81 
  - I'm really, really torn on this issue.  bejamin wood   Oct-16-09 12:44 PM   #83 
  - No  tama   Oct-16-09 01:37 PM   #86 
  - Gates is right.  Odin2005   Oct-17-09 01:51 AM   #97 
  - How about when you take the choice from others?  newspeak   Oct-17-09 11:58 AM   #99 
  - Bill Gates is part of the One World Bilderberg Group  Ter   Oct-18-09 01:46 AM   #101 

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