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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-09-04 03:20 PM
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23. I'm not sure I'm on board myself.
I'm just supposin'.

A quote from Menashe's book, Profits of War:

"Radi (a Jordanian military officer who was unaware that he, since some time had already been smuggling arms for the Israeli secret service) went back to his drinking and womanizing and the money he made selling arms for Pearson all drained away. At that very vulnerable point, in 1978, Pearson stepped in again and offered Radi a 200,000 loan. This time, Pearson made it quite clear to him that the money was coming from an Israeli source. The desperate Radi accepted the loan and was recruited to work for an antiterrorist group in Israel run by Rafi Eitan. The group's methods were rather unconventional, one could say heinous, but it had operated successfully for years. An example is the case of the "Palestinian" attack on the cruise ship Achille Lauro in 1985. That was in fact, an Israeli "black" propaganda operation to show what a deadly, cutthroat bunch the Palestinians were. The operation worked like this: Eitan passed instructions to Radi that it was time for the Palestinians to make an attack and do something cruel, though no specifics were laid out. Radi passed orders on to Abu'l Abbas, who, to follow such orders, was receiving millions from Israeli intelligence officers posing as Sicilian dons. Abbas then gathered a team to attack the cruise ship. The team was told to make it bad, to show the world what lay in store for other unsuspecting citizens if Palestinian demands were not met. As the world knows, the group picked on an elderly American Jewish man in a wheelchair, killed him, and threw his body overboard. They made their point. But for Israel it was the best kind of anti-Palestinian propaganda."

And from "Types of Terrorism and 9/11" by George Pumphrey:

The international crisis created by the hijacking was designed to capture headlines of the world's press for about a week. The hijackers finally agreed to surrender to Egyptian authorities. (Abu Abbas, who himself was not among the hijackers, helped negotiate their surrender.) The German Sueddeutsche Zeitung, recently furnished additional information of what happened:


"The prosecution indicted the actual hijackers but Abu Abbas was called merely as a "witness" and permitted to flee the country. The US had made a demand for Abbas' extradition for murder of a US citizen. An Italian court convicted Abbas in absentia to five life terms. The US withdrew its extradition demand. And Abbas remained free.

"In 1998 Abu Abbas was given official permission of the Prime Minister Benjamin Netanjahu to visit the Gaza Strip. Israeli authorities justified the official permission with the fact that Abbas had in 1996 already been allowed to visit the Gaza Strip to participate in Palestinian parliamentary elections. He had also voted at that time for the resolution legally eliminating the clause from the PLO Charter calling for the destruction of Israel. Israeli Supreme Court also protected Abbas by refusing the law suit calling for Abbas' expulsion from Israel and being turned over to the US brought by the Klinghoffer family."

The leader who had planned and organized the hijacking was sitting in safety and on the enemy payroll. Those who carried out the action believed they were "helping the cause". They had no idea that the murder of an innocent, invalid reduced their "cause" in the public's eye from a struggle against occupation and ethnic cleansing to one against Jews per se, from a struggle for justice for the Palestinians to an unjust "anti-Jewish" struggle. It would take the Palestinian struggle a long time to overcome this setback.
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  -Hijacker Abu Abbas dies in Iraq-source mobuto  Mar-09-04 02:14 PM   #0 
  - If natural causes include:  Caution   Mar-09-04 02:18 PM   #1 
  - Yes, a heart-attack while being tortured is natural  everythingsxen   Mar-09-04 02:18 PM   #2 
  - Of course he died of natural causes  Walt Starr   Mar-09-04 02:19 PM   #3 
  - Maybe he fell down  underpants   Mar-09-04 02:48 PM   #14 
  - He died more peacefully than he deserved.  demdave   Mar-09-04 02:25 PM   #4 
  - Good point.  tom_paine   Mar-09-04 03:04 PM   #19 
  - I'll honestly never forget Leon Klinghoffer.  VolcanoJen   Mar-09-04 04:35 PM   #49 
  - More mercenary than mastermind.  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 02:30 PM   #5 
  - Bwahaha  mobuto   Mar-09-04 02:36 PM   #6 
  - What's your position on Ari Ben Menashe? n/t  Barrett808   Mar-09-04 02:37 PM   #7 
  - He's a complete and utter fraud  mobuto   Mar-09-04 02:45 PM   #9 
     - Mark Phythian caught him in a fib re his claimed meeting with Cardoen  Barrett808   Mar-09-04 03:57 PM   #31 
  - nyuk nyuk nyuk  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 02:42 PM   #8 
  - A Player in the International Arms trade?  mobuto   Mar-09-04 02:47 PM   #11 
     - Menashe has a way of making extraordinary claims  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 02:57 PM   #16 
        - Robert Parry talks a lot about him on Trick Or Treason.  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 03:03 PM   #17 
        - "Full of shit. But..."  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 03:13 PM   #21 
        - You know this guys' attorney? Damn!  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 03:15 PM   #22 
        - It was from him  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 03:21 PM   #24 
           - Yeah I know. Weird huh?  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 03:29 PM   #26 
        - Is Vreeland dead?  Zhade   Mar-09-04 05:27 PM   #55 
           - He doesn't know.  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 06:12 PM   #57 
              - If you find out. Let us know.  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 08:42 PM   #59 
        - Menashe was acquitted of the Iranian C-130 arms charges, iirc n/t  Barrett808   Mar-09-04 03:36 PM   #27 
        - Shady? LOL  mobuto   Mar-09-04 03:03 PM   #18 
           - Are you going to suport some of these claims?  TheStranger   Mar-09-04 03:54 PM   #29 
              - Which claims are you referring to?  mobuto   Mar-09-04 04:02 PM   #35 
                 - Start with these.  TheStranger   Mar-09-04 04:03 PM   #36 
                    - What fun  mobuto   Mar-09-04 04:12 PM   #39 
                       - Mobuto,..."allegations", "descriptions", "opinions", etc.  Just Me   Mar-09-04 04:17 PM   #41 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-09-04 04:21 PM   #44 
                       - Uh, I thought I did  mobuto   Mar-09-04 04:24 PM   #46 
                       - As for being a con artist  mobuto   Mar-09-04 04:19 PM   #42 
                       - PROOF,...would be good in lieu of your original allegations,....  Just Me   Mar-09-04 04:29 PM   #47 
                          - Huh?  mobuto   Mar-09-04 04:33 PM   #48 
                             - I am asking a simple thing,...  Just Me   Mar-09-04 04:49 PM   #51 
                                - Furthermore, some of the sources discrediting the guy might have  AP   Mar-09-04 05:09 PM   #53 
                       - Even a wrong clock is right twice a day . . .  TheStranger   Mar-09-04 05:07 PM   #52 
  - Never take anything for granted. (n/t)  w4rma   Mar-09-04 02:47 PM   #13 
  - BWAHAHAHA,...  Just Me   Mar-09-04 04:13 PM   #40 
  - More P.O.S. than human.  demdave   Mar-09-04 02:47 PM   #12 
  - Usually I am on board with your speculations, but not this time  tom_paine   Mar-09-04 03:06 PM   #20 
     - I'm not sure I'm on board myself.  Minstrel Boy   Mar-09-04 03:20 PM   #23 
        - Thanks. I'll check it out.  tom_paine   Mar-09-04 03:22 PM   #25 
  - Ah, he died *again*?  Kagemusha   Mar-09-04 02:46 PM   #10 
  - Is he like "Chemical Ali"? Dying before we capture him?  underpants   Mar-09-04 02:50 PM   #15 
  - Have fun in hell.  FatSlob   Mar-09-04 03:49 PM   #28 
  - think he'll save seats for the Bush Crime Family?  matcom   Mar-09-04 03:55 PM   #30 
     - I don't know if they'll end up down there.  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 03:58 PM   #32 
     - Nope, they're not terrorists,  FatSlob   Mar-09-04 03:58 PM   #33 
        - no? you sure?  matcom   Mar-09-04 04:01 PM   #34 
        - Hey, one man's terrorist organization is another man's "administration".  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 04:06 PM   #38 
        - Well, I'll make a stab at it.  FatSlob   Mar-09-04 04:20 PM   #43 
        - A terrorist kills someone you like  daleo   Mar-09-04 04:24 PM   #45 
           - You know, there is a bit of truth to that,  FatSlob   Mar-09-04 04:40 PM   #50 
        - Will killers or gangsters do? Although "terrorists" fits them all so well.  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-09-04 04:04 PM   #37 
        - How many innocent Iraqis and Afghanis have died because of  Billy_Pilgrim   Mar-09-04 06:16 PM   #58 
           - That begs the questions...  FatSlob   Mar-10-04 10:05 AM   #63 
              - By people people who would have never reached power  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-10-04 10:23 AM   #64 
                 - I agree with many of your points.  FatSlob   Mar-10-04 10:44 AM   #65 
                    - This is like saying  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-10-04 11:02 AM   #66 
                       - I suppose you would have us be isolationist?  FatSlob   Mar-10-04 11:05 AM   #67 
                          - I suppose you would have us screw any country we wish  SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN   Mar-10-04 12:14 PM   #68 
                             - We will agree to disagree,  FatSlob   Mar-10-04 12:46 PM   #69 
  - Again?!  anarchy1999   Mar-09-04 05:12 PM   #54 
  - Again?  bedtimeforbonzo   Mar-09-04 05:50 PM   #56 
  - Mohammad Atta,...  Just Me   Mar-10-04 12:52 PM   #70 
     - I bet you could prove a much better link between Atta and...  Media_Lies_Daily   Mar-10-04 05:58 PM   #72 
  - Did Ramsey Clark defend Abu Abbas at trial?  JoeKSimmons   Mar-09-04 08:52 PM   #60 
  - I don't think so.  mobuto   Mar-09-04 09:20 PM   #61 
     - Clark did defend the terrorists of the Achille Lauro  JoeKSimmons   Mar-10-04 05:05 PM   #71 
  - Next...  Gimel   Mar-09-04 09:44 PM   #62 

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