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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-12-09 05:53 PM
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15. These 9/11 first responders have been abandoned by their own government. They don't care.
The Bush-era EPA certified the air at Ground Zero to be safe. It's obvious it was a lie.

Does anyone remember the part in Michael Moore's Sicko where he and several 9/11 responders went to Cuba to access medical care that was unaffordable to them in the United States?

This nation's government only responds when powerful people are in trouble, not poor people.
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  -Three heroes of 9/11 die of cancer in five days rollingrock  Oct-12-09 03:13 PM   #0 
  - It is shameful.  CaliforniaPeggy   Oct-12-09 03:22 PM   #1 
  - completly agree ..  InfiniteThoughts   Oct-13-09 12:02 AM   #79 
  - Better link  rollingrock   Oct-13-09 01:44 AM   #90 
  - CHECK THIS OUT---> EPA Misled Public on 9/11 Pollution STORY LINK HERE  happygoluckytoyou   Oct-13-09 09:37 AM   #106 
  - Only in America...  Libertas1776   Oct-12-09 03:23 PM   #2 
  - There are no words  rollingrock   Oct-12-09 03:51 PM   #3 
  - So JFK banned travel to Cuba to protect insurance company profits?  harkadog   Oct-12-09 08:20 PM   #41 
  - Only in America? What about Russia?  harkadog   Oct-12-09 08:17 PM   #40 
     - don't confuse the american exceptionalism people with actual facts  paulsby   Oct-12-09 09:08 PM   #51 
     - Only in America, becasue only in America does the dollar rule so harshly.  TheMadMonk   Oct-13-09 01:19 AM   #85 
        - that's simply not true  paulsby   Oct-13-09 02:03 AM   #91 
        - I always find European heatwaves and their death tolls at least a bit inexplicable.  TheMadMonk   Oct-13-09 03:23 AM   #96 
        - what exactly was the french govt's failure  paulsby   Oct-13-09 09:53 AM   #111 
        - Had that occured here  JonQ   Oct-13-09 02:34 PM   #131 
        - It is the fault of "evil American capitalism" . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:48 PM   #142 
        - mais, oui  paulsby   Oct-13-09 08:17 PM   #151 
        - If I recall that heat wave was unusual for France  dflprincess   Oct-14-09 12:15 PM   #157 
        - Probably not, because odds are it would be down to mall cops...  TheMadMonk   Oct-13-09 10:51 PM   #153 
        - These events are, of course . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 02:06 PM   #125 
        - 15 000 in the Urban areas? like New York?  AlphaCentauri   Oct-13-09 09:49 AM   #109 
           - read the reports  paulsby   Oct-13-09 09:51 AM   #110 
              - There probably more chances for people to die in rural areas  AlphaCentauri   Oct-13-09 09:54 AM   #112 
                 - again, that's just wonderful but evasive of the point  paulsby   Oct-13-09 10:16 AM   #113 
                 - America is a wonderful place because we have a Black president  AlphaCentauri   Oct-14-09 12:43 AM   #156 
                 - Here are some of the reasons . . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 02:51 PM   #132 
                    - Thanks for the well informed post and the scientific facts n/t  AlphaCentauri   Oct-14-09 12:36 AM   #155 
        - Think you are dealing absolute truth re Katrina/NO . . . and 9/11 . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 02:01 PM   #124 
        - An apologize for the negligence of Russia  harkadog   Oct-13-09 02:28 PM   #130 
           - How so? IIRC the Cernobyl incicdent occured as a result of one stupid individual...  TheMadMonk   Oct-14-09 12:14 AM   #154 
     - Chernobyl also continues to be a warning which the GOP has been trying to override in last years ..  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 02:54 PM   #133 
  - This is very troublesome  leftynyc   Oct-12-09 03:55 PM   #4 
  - My guess is yes, probably. We all were.  closeupready   Oct-12-09 06:29 PM   #22 
  - The day of the event, the prevailing winds  sentelle   Oct-12-09 07:00 PM   #27 
     - Yes, the fires burned for months, actually.  closeupready   Oct-12-09 07:36 PM   #35 
        - k i c k  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 01:51 PM   #123 
  - We could all smell burning plastics, chemicals and other unknown things  ThomCat   Oct-12-09 07:45 PM   #36 
  - I live on the Hudson  Golden Raisin   Oct-12-09 08:27 PM   #43 
  - A cigarette is able to release over 4,000 chemicals while being smoked.  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-13-09 02:22 PM   #128 
  - Didn't Christy Todd Whitman...  CoffeeCat   Oct-12-09 09:28 PM   #60 
     - Yes, she did.  EFerrari   Oct-13-09 12:59 AM   #83 
     - Exactly - and that alone will insure that she can't be elected dog catcher in NJ  karynnj   Oct-13-09 11:23 AM   #120 
  - Yup.  SomeGuyInEagan   Oct-12-09 08:49 PM   #48 
     - I expect that there have been thousands of lawsuits?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 09:12 PM   #56 
        - 4/20/07: "Court Ruling May Stop 9/11 Air Quality Lawsuits"  SomeGuyInEagan   Oct-13-09 10:51 AM   #117 
  - A good friend of mine was part of a construction crew that traveled cross-country to help. . .  Journeyman   Oct-12-09 04:03 PM   #5 
  - Of course you don't  rollingrock   Oct-12-09 04:11 PM   #6 
  - I thought tons of money was raised after 9/11 - they should sign that bill and use those funds  tomm2thumbs   Oct-12-09 04:33 PM   #7 
  - That money is long gone. The assholes stole it like they've stolen the Treasury.  valerief   Oct-12-09 05:03 PM   #10 
  - And what's REALLY interesting is that so few of the families of victims seem to have filed  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:05 PM   #135 
  - don't look at this if you have high blood pressure...  Blue_Tires   Oct-13-09 09:19 AM   #104 
     - Wow. Thank you for bringing this 'news' to me.  krkaufman   Oct-13-09 02:17 PM   #127 
     - Agree . . . a lot of the better known relatives . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:10 PM   #136 
  - The two towers were riddled with asbestos and who knows what else.  Dover   Oct-12-09 05:00 PM   #8 
  - Weren't they planning to demolish the buildings anyway?  AntiFascist   Oct-12-09 07:02 PM   #28 
  - They were going to have to DISMANTLE them/scaffolding - no Demolition . . ..  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:11 PM   #137 
  - Not entirely true  sentelle   Oct-12-09 07:04 PM   #29 
     - This is not accurate either  doc_drew   Oct-13-09 10:31 AM   #115 
        - Thank you ... and makes clear capitalism is suicidal and they'll take us all with them!  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:14 PM   #138 
  - OMG, look at how young they are!!!! But the bastards holding the purse strings  valerief   Oct-12-09 05:01 PM   #9 
  - That's a damn shame. n/t  Fire1   Oct-12-09 05:33 PM   #11 
  - Better link  sonias   Oct-12-09 05:43 PM   #12 
  - K&R  Torn_Scorned_Ignored   Oct-12-09 05:48 PM   #13 
  - I wonder if Glenn Beck hates them too  CAG   Oct-12-09 05:50 PM   #14 
  - does he hate firemen?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 07:30 PM   #32 
     - He has a very famous radio rant about how he hates, yes, hates, 9/11 victims families  CAG   Oct-12-09 09:32 PM   #62 
  - These 9/11 first responders have been abandoned by their own government. They don't care.  Selatius   Oct-12-09 05:53 PM   #15 
  - perhaps the EPA data should be looked at again?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 06:11 PM   #19 
  - It was a lie?  harkadog   Oct-12-09 08:27 PM   #42 
     - I distinctly remember Bush's stooge at the EPA going on tv saying it was safe to breathe.  Selatius   Oct-12-09 09:31 PM   #61 
     - For every air contaminant there are "safe" levels established  harkadog   Oct-12-09 09:52 PM   #67 
        - An article from 2003 noting a report by the EPA's Inspector General  laughingliberal   Oct-12-09 11:59 PM   #78 
     - The White House pressured the EPA to minimize the dangers  sabrina 1   Oct-13-09 12:48 AM   #82 
     - you do remember the bush white house had a long history of "encouraging"  Blue_Tires   Oct-13-09 09:01 AM   #102 
     - Where have YOU been? You never heard Christie Whitman talk about being PRESSURED by Bush WH to give  blm   Oct-13-09 10:48 AM   #116 
        - So all the professionals were involved in a conspiracy  harkadog   Oct-13-09 02:27 PM   #129 
           - They were not even given proper access for an examination. Why don't you write to Whitman and ask  blm   Oct-13-09 02:57 PM   #134 
              - I am in the air contaminant field  harkadog   Oct-13-09 03:47 PM   #141 
                 - You completely ignore Whitman's own charges about that time. SHE did what Bush WH demanded. Complain  blm   Oct-13-09 04:20 PM   #145 
                    - You seem to think Whitman is some sort of goddess  harkadog   Oct-13-09 04:38 PM   #146 
                       - You should demand to rebut Whitman and the analysts who agree with her charges ON AIR.  blm   Oct-13-09 04:56 PM   #147 
                          - You obviously didn't look at the link I provided.  harkadog   Oct-13-09 05:10 PM   #148 
                             - And alot of that is CYA - like when Northridge quake was officially called a 6.8 to meet the  blm   Oct-13-09 05:49 PM   #149 
  - Last I knew over a dozen AFSCME members died from 9-11 illness  Omaha Steve   Oct-12-09 05:54 PM   #16 
  - After risking their lives,  Kajsa   Oct-12-09 05:57 PM   #17 
  - what else could have caused cancer down there?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 06:10 PM   #18 
  - Breathing the ashes and particles of buildings, tons of paper, and incinerated bodies and metal is  Brickbat   Oct-12-09 09:07 PM   #50 
  - Hey Paulson, Goldman and Bernanke, can ya spare a dime?!  katty   Oct-12-09 06:15 PM   #20 
  - Do Thermite Charges cause Cancer?  lib2DaBone   Oct-12-09 06:17 PM   #21 
  - Even inhaled pulverized concrete can cause life-threatening illness.  closeupready   Oct-12-09 06:32 PM   #23 
  - how many workers die due to clearing up ordinary demolished buildings  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 07:29 PM   #31 
     - Naturally, because those demolitions are planned.  closeupready   Oct-12-09 07:33 PM   #33 
        - you will proably find that the same precautions were taken after 9/11 as demolished buildings  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 07:34 PM   #34 
           - Eventually. But not in the days that followed, and not all through Manhattan.  Brickbat   Oct-12-09 09:08 PM   #52 
           - what protection do demolition guys use?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 09:09 PM   #54 
              - What kind of demo are you talking about? And which "demo guys"?  Brickbat   Oct-12-09 09:12 PM   #57 
                 - just an ordinary office building?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 09:24 PM   #59 
                    - Depends on what's in it. Also, buildings are generally emptied before they're demolished.  Brickbat   Oct-12-09 09:33 PM   #64 
                       - but  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-12-09 10:06 PM   #68 
                          - Some of it, yes, if it can be used. Some things are taken out and discarded before full demo.  Brickbat   Oct-12-09 10:25 PM   #69 
           - Not so. See reply #78 nt  laughingliberal   Oct-13-09 12:03 AM   #80 
           - Afterwards, perhaps  whopis01   Oct-13-09 09:41 AM   #107 
  - The short answer is "No.".  JoeyT   Oct-13-09 03:33 AM   #97 
  - This is why Michael Moore had to take some first responders to Cuba in order to get them some  BrklynLiberal   Oct-12-09 06:35 PM   #24 
  - The city of NY has fought tooth and nail to deny workers comp to the GZ workers  rollingrock   Oct-13-09 01:20 AM   #86 
     - I heard about this and was infuriated!!!!!  BrklynLiberal   Oct-13-09 03:17 PM   #139 
  - Major crimes here given that all of those buildings went down to destroy documents regarding sub  earcandle   Oct-12-09 06:46 PM   #25 
  - Right ... GOP's "third world America" . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:21 PM   #140 
  - Heartbreaking  MissDeeds   Oct-12-09 06:59 PM   #26 
  - I know it shouldn't make a difference but it says 2 cops and 1 firefighter  Bombero1956   Oct-12-09 07:27 PM   #30 
  - I think all the rescue dogs are dead too  Politicalboi   Oct-12-09 07:46 PM   #37 
  - Were the dogs puppies at the time?  harkadog   Oct-12-09 08:14 PM   #39 
  - That dust contained all kinds of crap, and Bush's EPA said it was safe.  Nikki Stone1   Oct-12-09 07:46 PM   #38 
  - K&R...nt  SidDithers   Oct-12-09 08:30 PM   #44 
  - My condolences to the deceased, and Congress NEED to pass the public option already!  alp227   Oct-12-09 08:35 PM   #45 
  - Well I guess  The abyss   Oct-12-09 08:40 PM   #46 
  - Silverstein has lost billions so far... N/T  KDLarsen   Oct-13-09 02:27 AM   #93 
  - yeah but lets not re investigate 911  Pharaoh   Oct-12-09 08:41 PM   #47 
  - They'd destroy the health of rescue workers and refuse to help them .. but ...  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 03:55 PM   #143 
  - Ignoring this tragedy and all the fall out reminds me how many  midnight   Oct-12-09 08:53 PM   #49 
  - Everything has been failing . . .  defendandprotect   Oct-13-09 04:11 PM   #144 
  - It's so terrible . Government should do something  chrisabc   Oct-12-09 09:08 PM   #53 
  - True dat, if the RePUKEblicans would stand their asses in the way!  BluDemocratGirl   Oct-13-09 02:25 AM   #92 
  - i'm going to keep checking the officer down sites  paulsby   Oct-12-09 09:10 PM   #55 
  - paulsby please post back.  The abyss   Oct-12-09 09:21 PM   #58 
     - i will.  paulsby   Oct-12-09 09:33 PM   #63 
        - I know you will.  The abyss   Oct-12-09 09:43 PM   #65 
           - thx nt  paulsby   Oct-12-09 09:45 PM   #66 
              - NANCY PELOSI  pjt7   Oct-12-09 10:37 PM   #70 
              - famous rant by beck regarding 9 11 victims  RKL   Oct-12-09 10:41 PM   #71 
  - Very sad. It would be interesting to know what forms of cancer they had.  Barack_America   Oct-12-09 10:52 PM   #72 
  - Recommended for real heroes who are dying for corporate greed.  Vidar   Oct-12-09 11:12 PM   #73 
  - Three.. of how many heroes?  Inchworm   Oct-12-09 11:17 PM   #74 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Oct-12-09 11:24 PM   #75 
  - and America deserves a new investigation of 9-11 as well.  winyanstaz   Oct-12-09 11:29 PM   #76 
  - There will thousands  lovuian   Oct-12-09 11:34 PM   #77 
  - Very sad to learn of this. Believe there wll be many more.  laughingliberal   Oct-13-09 12:16 AM   #81 
  - I don't want to be ghoulish, but does anyone know whether they all had  JDPriestly   Oct-13-09 01:15 AM   #84 
  - Here's some info on that  rollingrock   Oct-13-09 01:32 AM   #88 
     - Thank you for this information.  JDPriestly   Oct-13-09 02:50 AM   #94 
  - this is appalling. nt  DesertFlower   Oct-13-09 01:21 AM   #87 
  - Tragic beyond words and........ link not working............  omega minimo   Oct-13-09 01:39 AM   #89 
  - It's cheaper to wear a flag pin than to really support the troops.  Hubert Flottz   Oct-13-09 02:51 AM   #95 
  - I have heard there are many media professionals on DU  pjt7   Oct-13-09 04:14 AM   #98 
  - Christie the-air-is-clean-to-breathe Whitman belongs in jail.  FourScore   Oct-13-09 07:57 AM   #99 
  - Obama?  YDogg   Oct-13-09 08:55 AM   #100 
  - Obama's Senate Staff met with First Responders over  pjt7   Oct-13-09 09:18 AM   #103 
     - My reaction was to the use of Obama rather than Osama in the post.  YDogg   Oct-13-09 05:58 PM   #150 
        - I'm so sorry. What a dolt thing to do! Too late to change it now.  FourScore   Oct-13-09 09:47 PM   #152 
  - You need to fix the spelling of Osama in your post!  mnhtnbb   Oct-13-09 09:43 AM   #108 
  - What kind of cancer?  elias7   Oct-13-09 08:58 AM   #101 
  - Has there been a report to show any clusters or what toxin?  Rosa Luxemburg   Oct-13-09 09:27 AM   #105 
  - The Natural Resources Defense Council and The Bush Record  Torn_Scorned_Ignored   Oct-13-09 10:20 AM   #114 
  - Once Again, The Will of the Voters Is Denied  flyarm   Oct-13-09 11:09 AM   #118 
  - OMG - 37, 44 and 44 years old  karynnj   Oct-13-09 11:21 AM   #119 
  - For 9/11 heroes with Sarcoidosis before they are gone  Bearware   Oct-13-09 11:44 AM   #121 
  - This is very sad, but what I want to know is what KIND of Cancer did they die from?  earth mom   Oct-13-09 01:13 PM   #122 
  - I love how the shit you make up has already been disproven by yourself.  Theobald   Oct-13-09 02:17 PM   #126 
 

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