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scarface2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-02-09 09:31 PM
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68. he conceded it was not a great choice of words.
other than that grayson can keep pouring it on!!!!
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  -Grayson apologizes to Anti-Defamation League Tx4obama  Oct-02-09 05:13 PM   #0 
  - I am not getting this....  Hepburn   Oct-02-09 05:15 PM   #1 
  - Abe Foxman is a rightwing shill  IndianaGreen   Oct-02-09 05:19 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-02-09 05:56 PM   #20 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-02-09 06:02 PM   #23 
  - carefull there, or you might end up apologising to  mule_train   Oct-02-09 06:04 PM   #24 
  - Thank you.  patrice   Oct-02-09 08:27 PM   #62 
  - +1  mitchum   Oct-02-09 05:58 PM   #22 
  - And, Abe Foxman is a Holocaust survivor.  Behind the Aegis   Oct-02-09 08:03 PM   #52 
  - Not really hyperbole in as far as it is true. The genocide in the Americas was exponentialy  Exultant Democracy   Oct-03-09 12:44 AM   #74 
  - first of all, the genocide of Native Americans in the U.S. took place  cali   Oct-03-09 04:42 AM   #79 
     - Half a million a year is quite a lot. I'll bet some years it escalated pretty high, too.  w4rma   Oct-03-09 10:52 AM   #90 
     - The American Holocaust....  bvar22   Oct-03-09 12:04 PM   #101 
  - And Abe Foxman is agitating for a war against Iran, as he did against Iraq  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 10:37 AM   #86 
  - Comparison is unhelpful.  David__77   Oct-03-09 09:52 PM   #113 
  - you are wrong. just as the Nazi Holocaust doesn't make the Cambodian  cali   Oct-03-09 04:31 AM   #78 
     - If the Nazis had succeeded in doing what the Conquistadors did in the Americas  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 10:40 AM   #87 
        - first of all, I obviously wasn't referencing SA, though  cali   Oct-03-09 11:05 AM   #96 
           - Exterminating an entire race is a holocaust by any definition of the word  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 11:44 AM   #98 
              - please see the post you're referencing for my response.  cali   Oct-03-09 11:53 AM   #99 
  - Hepburn, this is a very sensitive subject for many Jews. I think they should be respected.  CTyankee   Oct-02-09 05:20 PM   #3 
  - Hint....  Hepburn   Oct-02-09 05:37 PM   #13 
  - I don't think using holocaust to describe 122 deaths a day is using the term "lightly"  shcrane71   Oct-02-09 06:05 PM   #26 
  - The way I have seen it is that it is the destruction of a class...  Hepburn   Oct-02-09 06:37 PM   #34 
  - Then, what do you think is the basis for some Jewish thinking that "holocaust" should be  CTyankee   Oct-02-09 07:22 PM   #38 
     - I cannot speak for all Jews and would never try to...  Hepburn   Oct-02-09 07:32 PM   #40 
     - I think there are Jews who feel that the world is against them whatever they do.  CTyankee   Oct-02-09 08:13 PM   #57 
        - I don't follow how the use of the word, holocaust, means that a  shcrane71   Oct-03-09 05:07 PM   #109 
           - My point really is that use of the word holocaust raises hackles and then the argument  CTyankee   Oct-03-09 05:20 PM   #110 
              - How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?  izquierdista   Oct-03-09 08:08 PM   #111 
     - The Republican Christo-Fascists would be quite happy  The Green Manalishi   Oct-03-09 02:01 AM   #76 
  - Why aren't we using highly descriptive words instead?  CTyankee   Oct-03-09 08:05 AM   #83 
  - What he said was "this holocaust"  tavalon   Oct-02-09 08:36 PM   #63 
  - When the Holocaust is used to whip war fever against Iran, as it was on lead up to Iraq war  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 10:49 AM   #89 
  - He's cutting the wingnuts off at the pass.  Arctic Dave   Oct-02-09 05:20 PM   #4 
  - Now that does make some sense. n/t  Hepburn   Oct-02-09 05:37 PM   #14 
  - No...he's giving them ammunition to say "LOOK, HE'S APOLOGIZING FOR WHAT HE SAID, EVEN HE KNOW'S...  alllyingwhores   Oct-02-09 06:09 PM   #28 
     - You're wrong...  Tx4obama   Oct-02-09 07:35 PM   #41 
     - Apologizing Was Smart  iamjoy   Oct-03-09 11:04 AM   #95 
  - i don't either. "Holocaust" is a term for the reckless destruction of life  Lorien   Oct-02-09 09:28 PM   #67 
  - put to sleep an argument. good strategy  roguevalley   Oct-03-09 12:21 AM   #73 
  - its a perfectly usable word for many circumstances - Jews do not own it nt  msongs   Oct-02-09 05:25 PM   #5 
  - They may not own it, but they sure have a good claim.  CTyankee   Oct-02-09 05:29 PM   #7 
  - +1. nt  Robb   Oct-02-09 07:51 PM   #47 
  - Then it should be OK for grayson to invoke the word n/t  Politicub   Oct-03-09 02:56 PM   #108 
  - Theres a few graves ................  Old Vet   Oct-02-09 05:30 PM   #8 
  - holocaust vs. Holocaust  Tx4obama   Oct-02-09 05:29 PM   #6 
  - Thank goodness he didn't call anything 'niggardly'  Newsjock   Oct-02-09 05:31 PM   #9 
  - I agree. The word can either be capitalized or not. What happened to the Jews  kestrel91316   Oct-02-09 05:32 PM   #10 
  - And where are the complaints about  Nancy Waterman   Oct-02-09 05:32 PM   #11 
  - Good point. And the use of the word holocaust by anti-choicers is another example. nt  Cass   Oct-02-09 05:53 PM   #17 
  - Ironic how the outrage is so... confined to this one use of the word  varelse   Oct-02-09 07:31 PM   #39 
     - Yep. I hear that too. It's like "if the Jews want it, well, something's wrong."  CTyankee   Oct-02-09 07:52 PM   #48 
  - That's what I couldn't figure  CLANG   Oct-02-09 05:35 PM   #12 
  - Excellent point. n/t  Hepburn   Oct-02-09 05:38 PM   #15 
  - Problem is, it wasn't printed- it was spoken.  Ian David   Oct-02-09 07:46 PM   #43 
  - Please, just when...  TeaBagsAreForCups   Oct-02-09 05:41 PM   #16 
  - Seventeen million, under the broadest use of "The Holocaust"  boppers   Oct-02-09 05:54 PM   #18 
     - Thanks for the welcome and kudos...  TeaBagsAreForCups   Oct-02-09 10:30 PM   #69 
  - Fuck 'em  edc   Oct-02-09 05:56 PM   #19 
  - Yup, My point exactly edc.....................  Old Vet   Oct-02-09 06:04 PM   #25 
  - That isn't true  rockymountaindem   Oct-02-09 06:16 PM   #30 
     - Not to mention  timtom   Oct-03-09 10:57 AM   #94 
        - And about an estimated 16-20 million Russians  martymar64   Oct-03-09 11:22 AM   #97 
  - ADL is Liberal. JDL is right-wing. n/t  Ian David   Oct-02-09 07:47 PM   #44 
  - Yes it is, and they have spoken up about civil rights of other groups also  still_one   Oct-02-09 08:03 PM   #51 
  - The ADL also is instrumental in campaigns to stop ongoing genocides  AlienGirl   Oct-02-09 08:17 PM   #58 
  - Good point. The ADL believes "Never Again" applies to all people, not just to Jews.  Ian David   Oct-02-09 08:21 PM   #60 
  - The ADL was relatively restrained in their criticism.  Ian David   Oct-02-09 08:20 PM   #59 
     - I agree: it seems to me like a formal enacting of proper etiquette  AlienGirl   Oct-02-09 08:26 PM   #61 
  - If ADL is liberal, then the word truly means nothing.  JackRiddler   Oct-02-09 11:58 PM   #72 
  - Abe Foxman has sided with the elites in Latin America  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 10:54 AM   #92 
  - The Anti-Defamation League is what the NRA is to gun control? I think you have things twisted  still_one   Oct-02-09 07:56 PM   #49 
  - Trying to claim the ADL is some benevolent liberal type group is what's really out there...  Violet_Crumble   Oct-03-09 03:13 AM   #77 
  - One caveat, the ADL has done a very good job of combating anti-Semitism  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 10:57 AM   #93 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-02-09 05:57 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Oct-02-09 07:48 PM   #45 
  - finkelstein, a real POS, whose own parents were in Concentration Camps  still_one   Oct-02-09 08:05 PM   #53 
  - I guess apartheid would have been more acceptable??  and-justice-for-all   Oct-02-09 06:06 PM   #27 
  - No, Israelies are kind of touchy about that word too, after Carter's book n/t  mule_train   Oct-02-09 06:10 PM   #29 
  - I wonder why this appology triggers these reactions from you? /nt  still_one   Oct-02-09 08:08 PM   #54 
  - Exactly!  Alcibiades   Oct-02-09 08:38 PM   #65 
     - correct..I agree with you..nt  and-justice-for-all   Oct-03-09 02:25 PM   #106 
  - AIPAC had congress members scared to death  mule_train   Oct-02-09 06:18 PM   #31 
  - Gee, now you bring up AIPAC, which by the way ISN'T the anti-defamation league  still_one   Oct-02-09 08:11 PM   #55 
     - These threads always bring out the usual suspects n/t  rockymountaindem   Oct-02-09 08:45 PM   #66 
  - Thus proving that he is perfectly capable of apologizing...  TygrBright   Oct-02-09 06:28 PM   #32 
  - nail meet hammer. well said, bright.  cali   Oct-03-09 04:48 AM   #80 
  - oh come on!  Aragorn   Oct-02-09 06:35 PM   #33 
  - IF an apology was warranted for anything he said, that is the only part.  Quantess   Oct-02-09 06:43 PM   #35 
  - Agreed on all points. n/t  Ian David   Oct-02-09 07:49 PM   #46 
  - To those that don't know Cong. Grayson is Jewish. I don't think he meant to hurt anyone!  1776Forever   Oct-02-09 07:13 PM   #36 
  - lol...thank you  fascisthunter   Oct-03-09 01:10 PM   #105 
  - a holocaust should not have an ethno-centric meaning  ngant17   Oct-02-09 07:21 PM   #37 
  - That's a minor point and a nice gesture on his part.  Ian David   Oct-02-09 07:44 PM   #42 
  - Apologize! Apologize!  Blandocyte   Oct-02-09 07:59 PM   #50 
  - Deftly done, I think. nt  JerseygirlCT   Oct-02-09 08:13 PM   #56 
  - A perfectly appropriate apology--not the one I was afraid of.  Vidar   Oct-02-09 08:38 PM   #64 
  - he conceded it was not a great choice of words.  scarface2004   Oct-02-09 09:31 PM   #68 
  - Have I ever mentioned how much I "dislike" the "politically correct"??  Fearless   Oct-02-09 11:00 PM   #70 
  - "holocaust" vs "Holocaust"  AzNick   Oct-02-09 11:55 PM   #71 
  - A holocaust is just that, a holocaust  Ter   Oct-03-09 01:09 AM   #75 
  - Interesting. Why do you hate it? It doesn't minimize that other  cali   Oct-03-09 04:50 AM   #81 
  - I hate it because all mass execution is bad  Ter   Oct-03-09 12:18 PM   #102 
  - The recognition of the 1930's Holocaust is appropriate simply because it was the 1930's  Klukie   Oct-03-09 10:16 AM   #84 
  - I think it is best to avoid using words that may unnecessarily cause offense  Douglas Carpenter   Oct-03-09 05:18 AM   #82 
  - +1  Mosby   Oct-03-09 12:01 PM   #100 
  - well, when thousands die each year b/c they can't afford health care,  wordpix   Oct-03-09 10:34 AM   #85 
  - yeah, the way the number of fatal car accidents is a parallel.  cali   Oct-03-09 10:43 AM   #88 
  - Rightwingers have shamelessly exploited the Holocaust for their own ends, and they never apologize  IndianaGreen   Oct-03-09 10:53 AM   #91 
  - i'm glad that i waited before considering sending him money....  dysfunctional press   Oct-03-09 12:22 PM   #103 
  - What is a holocaust?  Liberation Angel   Oct-03-09 12:27 PM   #104 
  - What has Abe Foxman said in support of a public option? Nothing?  Politicub   Oct-03-09 02:55 PM   #107 
  - No one owns the word "holocaust"  harvey007   Oct-03-09 08:48 PM   #112 

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