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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-28-09 09:56 PM
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23. Oh really? A good deal of the truly inovative comes from small startups.
Often overseas. Big pharma waits for a product to prove promising before risking their money.

Which is why a good deal of what big pharma does these days in the way of reasearch is to dick around with variations on already established themes. There is much less risk in testing minor modifications to known effacious products.

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  -Leading Dem Plans To Blow Up Deal With Big Pharma kpete  Sep-28-09 08:19 PM   #0 
  - Godspeed  CreekDog   Sep-28-09 08:20 PM   #1 
  - Byron lost his daughter last year. that sort of focuses your priorities.  roguevalley   Sep-28-09 10:55 PM   #31 
  - He's been a pretty good advocate for working folks. Still has weird hair. nt  Captain Hilts   Sep-28-09 08:22 PM   #2 
  - Suck on it, Baucus. Suck it hard. Suck it long. nt  Selatius   Sep-28-09 08:22 PM   #3 
  - I wonder will he pay my healthcare bill  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-28-09 10:23 PM   #27 
  - Indeed.  StreetKnowledge   Sep-29-09 10:17 AM   #53 
  - These current/past deals with the pharmaceutical industry are ridiculous.  RKP5637   Sep-28-09 08:27 PM   #4 
  - Doesn't Rumsfeld have a stake  druidity33   Sep-28-09 08:59 PM   #13 
     - Yep, Rumsfeld has a stale in Tamiflu!  RKP5637   Sep-28-09 09:08 PM   #15 
        - I still can't figure out why people bother to take that  arikara   Sep-29-09 01:03 PM   #69 
  - Thank God. The WH had no business doing this backroom deal.  saracat   Sep-28-09 08:27 PM   #5 
  - I really like Dorgan  Andy823   Sep-28-09 08:28 PM   #6 
  - I like him too. He is one of only eight Dem Senators  sabrina 1   Sep-28-09 11:42 PM   #38 
  - Go get 'em Dorgan!  amandabeech   Sep-28-09 08:32 PM   #7 
  - I expect to be flamed (at least for over-simplifying)....  targetpractice   Sep-28-09 08:37 PM   #8 
  - I don't fault you, but they do want a blank check  Ruby the Liberal   Sep-28-09 08:58 PM   #12 
  - Most of the R&D is focused on knock off copycats to circumvent patent laws  Oregone   Sep-28-09 09:21 PM   #18 
  - I didn't mean to imply that I an defending them,  Ruby the Liberal   Sep-28-09 09:43 PM   #22 
  - You are dead on, on the insurance industry, anyway.  Enthusiast   Sep-29-09 04:13 PM   #76 
  - Don't forget the "R&D" money that goes to set up fake scientific institutions to review their drugs  DireStrike   Sep-29-09 11:31 AM   #57 
  - The raw deal is, they usually don't pay for their own R&D. They get massive  salguine   Sep-28-09 10:56 PM   #32 
     - And they spend MASSIVE dollars on marketing.  beac   Sep-29-09 11:34 AM   #58 
  - To me what you said makes good sense...  RKP5637   Sep-28-09 09:15 PM   #16 
  - bring products to market  katkat   Sep-29-09 12:20 PM   #64 
     - Quite True!!! Agree 1000+!  RKP5637   Sep-29-09 12:39 PM   #67 
  - Oh really? A good deal of the truly inovative comes from small startups.  TheMadMonk   Sep-28-09 09:56 PM   #23 
  - True...  targetpractice   Sep-28-09 10:18 PM   #26 
  - I agree with you mostly  ShadowLiberal   Sep-28-09 10:05 PM   #24 
  - I flame what you say, not you. Take a look at what U.S. citizens pay for drugs compared to other  peacetalksforall   Sep-28-09 11:29 PM   #36 
  - Big Pharma Advertising  afertal   Sep-29-09 11:10 AM   #56 
  - no flame, but facts  katkat   Sep-29-09 12:18 PM   #62 
  - In the grand scheme of things  Enthusiast   Sep-29-09 04:06 PM   #75 
  - Yeah, Pharma is the lesser of the two evils  Stumbler   Sep-29-09 04:59 PM   #77 
  - Huge flaw in your argument  sellitman   Sep-29-09 06:52 PM   #83 
  - That's what a lot of people have been saying, and still people freaked out  ProSense   Sep-28-09 08:37 PM   #9 
  - Good. If Obama won't protect our interests, uncorrupted members of Congress  Frank Booth   Sep-28-09 08:37 PM   #10 
  - Good balance to Conrad, May God speed,,,,  Ruby the Liberal   Sep-28-09 08:52 PM   #11 
  - Damn, just damn!  DeadEyeDyck   Sep-28-09 09:07 PM   #14 
  - And yes!  Kingofalldems   Sep-28-09 09:18 PM   #17 
  - I hope his amendment is successful.  GrantDem   Sep-28-09 09:32 PM   #19 
  - This is good news--hope it happens!  Catamount   Sep-28-09 09:39 PM   #20 
  - ••• Let Puerto Rico import it without us breaking the 'rules' - then we get it from them •••••  tomm2thumbs   Sep-28-09 09:40 PM   #21 
  - interesting idea.  Soylent Brice   Sep-29-09 08:41 AM   #47 
  - Hooray For Dorgan!  colsohlibgal   Sep-28-09 10:13 PM   #25 
  - Okay, here's the way the ole Chess Master played this one. He made the deal with Big Pharma,  bertman   Sep-28-09 10:36 PM   # 
  - Thank you Thank you Senator Dorgan..I have lived huge parts of 22years in Canada and I know first  flyarm   Sep-28-09 10:36 PM   #28 
  - why can't we do what WalMart does and negotiate prices down?  WillYourVoteBCounted   Sep-28-09 10:38 PM   #29 
  - I get severe migranes and I have bought Imitrex for years in Canada when  flyarm   Sep-28-09 11:10 PM   #33 
     - Good post,, thank you flyarm.  sabrina 1   Sep-28-09 11:35 PM   #37 
     - i BELIEVE IT IS STILL LEGAL.but the deal Obama made with big Pharmacy would effectively make it  flyarm   Sep-29-09 12:04 AM   #42 
     - Thanks for the response  sabrina 1   Sep-29-09 12:14 AM   #43 
     - sabrina 1  katkat   Sep-29-09 12:30 PM   #65 
        - Thank you katkat,  sabrina 1   Sep-29-09 02:23 PM   #73 
     - WOW!! Thanks for this info.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-29-09 06:50 PM   #82 
  - about time someone did something  Historic NY   Sep-28-09 10:51 PM   #30 
  - good deal!!  chadmak09   Sep-28-09 11:10 PM   #34 
  - I love it!!!  alfredo   Sep-28-09 11:14 PM   #35 
  - OH GOD!!!!!!11  Quantess   Sep-28-09 11:49 PM   #39 
  - Here is the bill and  ProSense   Sep-28-09 11:54 PM   #40 
  - well AMEN! that'll do it! YES!!!!  Divine Discontent   Sep-28-09 11:57 PM   #41 
  - Big Eddy likes Sen. Dorgan  SlingBlade   Sep-29-09 12:41 AM   #44 
  - as long as the pharma CEOs and the blue dogs are tied to the deal before they blow it up  yurbud   Sep-29-09 04:16 AM   #45 
  - I'm glad to hear this.  Delphinus   Sep-29-09 05:33 AM   #46 
  - Oh please let this happen and PASS!  AllyCat   Sep-29-09 09:08 AM   #48 
  - Baucus wants Americans to fight illness with both hands tied behind their backs.  JBoy   Sep-29-09 09:29 AM   #49 
  - Something changed today -- this and the repeal of retroactive immunity -- I can feel it.  The Stranger   Sep-29-09 09:36 AM   #50 
  - Thank you Byron! We got your back!!!  grahamhgreen   Sep-29-09 10:05 AM   #51 
  - Does anybody need prescription drugs? I'll deliver.....  StreetKnowledge   Sep-29-09 10:16 AM   #52 
  - Yeah? And just how "small" is this "small fee?"  KansDem   Sep-29-09 12:02 PM   #61 
  - I could use a hundred Percodans.  bvar22   Sep-29-09 12:30 PM   #66 
  - What's the legality on something like that?  Posteritatis   Sep-29-09 05:13 PM   #79 
  - Why should US residents benefit from Canadian government policy?  TrogL   Sep-29-09 10:29 AM   #54 
  - It seems like a win-win to me  Posteritatis   Sep-29-09 05:10 PM   #78 
  - What happened to negotiating drug prices for All Medicare participants...  slipslidingaway   Sep-29-09 10:39 AM   #55 
  - Great blog from Michael Moore on Huffington too  LatteLibertine   Sep-29-09 11:37 AM   #59 
  - Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! nt  valerief   Sep-29-09 11:57 AM   #60 
  - Good  mvd   Sep-29-09 12:19 PM   #63 
  - Just so ya' know  NJCher   Sep-29-09 12:52 PM   #68 
  - It's probably too soon  GinaMaria   Sep-29-09 01:26 PM   #70 
  - let me know when dems plans to blow up Big Pharma  KG   Sep-29-09 01:45 PM   #71 
  - all the best with this Dorgan  katty   Sep-29-09 02:01 PM   #72 
  - I wish I were hopeful, but I think Baucus will shoot this down.  No Elephants   Sep-29-09 02:34 PM   #74 
  - When Dorgan and Feingold run, we might have our country back.  omega minimo   Sep-29-09 06:40 PM   #80 
  - I agree  blockhead   Sep-29-09 07:33 PM   #84 
     - I can picture it. It would be historic to have two such figures in the White House.  omega minimo   Sep-29-09 07:40 PM   #85 
  - Good for him!! More power to him and his ilk.  BrklynLiberal   Sep-29-09 06:48 PM   #81 
 

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