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Tue Sep-15-09 09:43 AM
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| 70. Again, if there is not change in force allocation or structure how does it constitute a great threat |
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Lula's resume is irrelevant as are his opinions if there are no facts to back them up.
There are not seven new military bases for the US in Columbia. Its permission to access them in return for site improvements. The cap on US personnel remains in place.
Ship deployments and general location are readily available. The overall force strength of the USN is public record. Under Reagan it was almost 600 ships, its now below 300. Locations/assignments can be concealed from the public for a short time, but not from other nations. You can't really hide a carrier group.
You speak as if the Pentagon sets US policy. It does not. If there are hidden intentions, they would come from the Obama administration. Do you see him supporting the policies and actions you are concerned about?
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| -Chavez in $2bn Russian arms deal |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-14-09 03:37 AM |
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a bit more from Bloomberg: Venezuela’s Chavez Agrees to $2.2 Billion Russian Arms Pact |
maddezmom |
Sep-14-09 03:45 AM |
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T-72 tanks are nearly useless against modern battletanks. |
Selatius |
Sep-14-09 03:47 AM |
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Other sources are reporting T-90s, which are modern MBTs |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 09:09 AM |
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I dunno about that. Russia rarely exports their best equipment to foreign countries. |
Selatius |
Sep-14-09 09:00 PM |
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When this first came up, a trade article discussed that they were coming from Russian inventory |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 10:14 PM |
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Has the T-90's ever been proven in combat against other tanks? |
Kurska |
Sep-14-09 09:04 PM |
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Not that I know of |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 09:57 PM |
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Alot of this stuff is the kind of equipment that looks good on paper, |
Kurska |
Sep-15-09 12:12 AM |
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Looked into it more this AM and you are right they did and also got a local production deal as well |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-15-09 09:30 AM |
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Seems like he's consolidating his political position IMO. nt |
Old Hob |
Sep-14-09 10:36 PM |
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very disturbing |
DontTreadOnMe |
Sep-14-09 03:49 AM |
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Yeah, especially considering... |
Syntheto |
Sep-14-09 04:27 AM |
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Uruguay?? |
smirkymonkey |
Sep-14-09 11:53 AM |
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Not really |
tkmorris |
Sep-14-09 04:32 AM |
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the US couldn't take out from a distance.............. |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-14-09 05:01 AM |
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Don't forget the S-300s. Even the export models are dangerous. |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 09:12 AM |
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SAM are defensive weapons |
endarkenment |
Sep-14-09 10:22 AM |
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for the same reasons the US shouldnt be developing the |
twitomy |
Sep-14-09 10:33 AM |
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Uh wow like a totally wrong answer. |
endarkenment |
Sep-14-09 11:46 AM |
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None of the above. |
twitomy |
Sep-14-09 03:32 PM |
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or both |
endarkenment |
Sep-14-09 03:42 PM |
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Deleted message |
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Sep-14-09 09:03 PM |
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I think you missed the context |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 01:13 PM |
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Sorry - most of the reponses here are OHNOES!!!! - my mistake. |
endarkenment |
Sep-14-09 01:18 PM |
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I think you overstate the capability of Columbia |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 01:56 PM |
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"armed to the teeth US ally Colombia" |
Lagomorph |
Sep-15-09 04:27 AM |
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It is not so clear cut - they can used offensively |
hack89 |
Sep-14-09 08:53 PM |
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Chavez is on a "Peace thru Strength" kick it appears; |
twitomy |
Sep-14-09 10:38 AM |
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Hello? We are the ones stockpiling weapons and building new bases in Latin America |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-14-09 03:49 PM |
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There is nothing in VZ that is any threat to a US action |
Pavulon |
Sep-14-09 08:11 PM |
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The Venezuelan government does not threaten its neighbors. |
ronnie624 |
Sep-15-09 12:06 AM |
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So who ordered tanks to the their borders? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-15-09 09:46 AM |
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Don't ask me to make your point for you. |
ronnie624 |
Sep-15-09 10:20 AM |
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So its safe to assume that you did not know that after Columbia attacked the FARC camp |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-15-09 10:24 AM |
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"...after Columbia attacked the FARC camp", |
ronnie624 |
Sep-15-09 11:54 AM |
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Nice to see a rational |
dotymed |
Sep-16-09 08:39 AM |
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That aren't ours. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-14-09 10:10 PM |
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I think the tank purchases are a mistake. |
David__77 |
Sep-14-09 04:54 AM |
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Tanks are imposing in an urban setting, like Prague, Caracas or Beijing. |
denem |
Sep-14-09 05:41 AM |
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They were used similarly by the Shah in Tehran |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 09:10 AM |
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only against lightly or unarmed civilians. |
davepc |
Sep-14-09 10:07 AM |
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you could move troops.. clear roads or forests ... |
jakeXT |
Sep-14-09 08:03 AM |
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Dozers clear roads, apc carry troops, and tanks intimidate helpless civilians,, |
Pavulon |
Sep-14-09 06:29 PM |
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"Hey, that should be our money." - Republicon Munitions Cronies |
SpiralHawk |
Sep-14-09 05:11 AM |
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Well it would be except we won't sell them stuff. |
endarkenment |
Sep-14-09 09:30 AM |
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Actually, it's because Chavez won't buy American weaponry. n/t |
Psephos |
Sep-14-09 08:09 PM |
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Negative, he wanted f16 parts, we gave him the high hat. |
Pavulon |
Sep-14-09 08:10 PM |
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Self-delete n/t |
Psephos |
Sep-14-09 08:48 PM |
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Aha, so THAT's where he got it from... |
Psephos |
Sep-14-09 09:02 PM |
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Next best sources are France or Israel |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 11:44 PM |
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Last summer, the Bushwhacks reconstituted the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-14-09 11:05 AM |
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Paper move only |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 01:15 PM |
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The president of Brazil said it is a threat to Brazil's oil, so I have to take that seriously. |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-14-09 02:27 PM |
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So you take seriously any statement made by a foreign leader? Does that include the current regime |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 09:07 PM |
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Why are you exaggerating what I said? I did NOT say that I "take seriously any statement... |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-15-09 03:01 AM |
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Don't arguments like that make you wonder why you bother? |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-15-09 05:30 AM |
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Its called reducto absurdum |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-15-09 09:59 AM |
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ProgressiveProfessor |
dotymed |
Sep-16-09 08:55 AM |
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Doty Med |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-09 11:27 AM |
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I disagree |
dotymed |
Sep-19-09 06:58 AM |
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Again, if there is not change in force allocation or structure how does it constitute a great threat |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-15-09 09:43 AM |
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Why are you exaggerating what I said? I did NOT say that I "take seriously any statement... |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-15-09 03:02 AM |
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We didn't reconstitute the Fourth Fleet so that our sailors do PT |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-14-09 03:52 PM |
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Considering that the overall force structure of the USN is shrinking |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 09:00 PM |
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They can do that... |
and-justice-for-all |
Sep-14-09 02:24 PM |
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Lula is certain that Senate will approve Venezuela's membership in Mercosur |
Judi Lynn |
Sep-14-09 05:03 PM |
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France upsets strategic balance in Latin America |
Judi Lynn |
Sep-14-09 08:40 PM |
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Sep-14-09 09:05 PM |
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Ahhhh I would not be so confident in that |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 10:18 PM |
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The old rightwing |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-15-09 01:02 AM |
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Let him waste his money. |
Kurska |
Sep-14-09 08:44 PM |
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Let him? more like force him. nt |
Umbral |
Sep-15-09 01:19 PM |
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President Chavez |
dotymed |
Sep-16-09 09:04 AM |
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What do you call a heavily militarized country that is controlled by a lone & often charismatic man? |
Old Hob |
Sep-14-09 10:43 PM |
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Overspent and broke? |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-14-09 11:45 PM |
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The US under George Bush? |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-15-09 12:58 AM |
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Even Bush didn't remove Presidential term limits |
Old Hob |
Sep-15-09 01:36 AM |
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Chavez did NOT remove Presidential term limits! Jeez. |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-15-09 02:16 AM |
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Funniest post of the thread so far. |
endarkenment |
Sep-15-09 09:21 AM |
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There were national two votes on lifting the presidential term limit in Venezuela. |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-15-09 11:12 AM |
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And Chavez didn't steal an election! |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-15-09 12:58 PM |
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The term limit issue was put to a national vote twice in Venezuela. |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-15-09 02:24 PM |
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Thank you, I have been responding to |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-15-09 07:49 PM |
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But your point was a good one, that the Chavistas PUT IT TO A VOTE of the entire country, |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-15-09 09:36 PM |
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Thank you, your posts are always so clear |
sabrina 1 |
Sep-15-09 10:37 PM |
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"It is an outrage that this was ever allowed to happen." I agree! US elections are being fixed, |
Peace Patriot |
Sep-16-09 02:44 AM |
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Bushland? |
dotymed |
Sep-16-09 09:06 AM |
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Slightly over 1/10th of 1% of global arms sales. |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-15-09 12:28 AM |
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US worried about Venezuelan arms |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-15-09 04:46 AM |
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The graph from your link adds perspective: |
ronnie624 |
Sep-15-09 10:03 AM |
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This is a tremendous illustration. Puts things in real perspective. Thank you. n/t |
Judi Lynn |
Sep-16-09 12:30 PM |
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After looking at that graph, US state department spokesman Ian Kelly says: |
Prometheus Bound |
Sep-19-09 05:39 PM |
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