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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-14-09 05:41 AM
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9. Tanks are imposing in an urban setting, like Prague, Caracas or Beijing.
Edited on Mon Sep-14-09 05:42 AM by denem
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  -Chavez in $2bn Russian arms deal dipsydoodle  Sep-14-09 03:37 AM   #0 
  - a bit more from Bloomberg: Venezuelas Chavez Agrees to $2.2 Billion Russian Arms Pact  maddezmom   Sep-14-09 03:45 AM   #1 
  - T-72 tanks are nearly useless against modern battletanks.  Selatius   Sep-14-09 03:47 AM   #2 
  - Other sources are reporting T-90s, which are modern MBTs  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 09:09 AM   #11 
  - I dunno about that. Russia rarely exports their best equipment to foreign countries.  Selatius   Sep-14-09 09:00 PM   #41 
  - When this first came up, a trade article discussed that they were coming from Russian inventory  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 10:14 PM   #50 
  - Has the T-90's ever been proven in combat against other tanks?  Kurska   Sep-14-09 09:04 PM   #45 
     - Not that I know of  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 09:57 PM   #48 
        - Alot of this stuff is the kind of equipment that looks good on paper,  Kurska   Sep-15-09 12:12 AM   #57 
           - Looked into it more this AM and you are right they did and also got a local production deal as well  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-15-09 09:30 AM   #69 
  - Seems like he's consolidating his political position IMO. nt  Old Hob   Sep-14-09 10:36 PM   #52 
  - very disturbing  DontTreadOnMe   Sep-14-09 03:49 AM   #3 
     - Yeah, especially considering...  Syntheto   Sep-14-09 04:27 AM   #4 
     - Uruguay??  smirkymonkey   Sep-14-09 11:53 AM   #21 
     - Not really  tkmorris   Sep-14-09 04:32 AM   #5 
     - the US couldn't take out from a distance..............  dipsydoodle   Sep-14-09 05:01 AM   #7 
     - Don't forget the S-300s. Even the export models are dangerous.  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 09:12 AM   #13 
     - SAM are defensive weapons  endarkenment   Sep-14-09 10:22 AM   #16 
        - for the same reasons the US shouldnt be developing the  twitomy   Sep-14-09 10:33 AM   #17 
        - Uh wow like a totally wrong answer.  endarkenment   Sep-14-09 11:46 AM   #20 
        - None of the above.  twitomy   Sep-14-09 03:32 PM   #28 
           - or both  endarkenment   Sep-14-09 03:42 PM   #29 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-09 09:03 PM   #44 
        - I think you missed the context  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 01:13 PM   #22 
        - Sorry - most of the reponses here are OHNOES!!!! - my mistake.  endarkenment   Sep-14-09 01:18 PM   #24 
           - I think you overstate the capability of Columbia  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 01:56 PM   #25 
           - "armed to the teeth US ally Colombia"  Lagomorph   Sep-15-09 04:27 AM   #65 
        - It is not so clear cut - they can used offensively  hack89   Sep-14-09 08:53 PM   #40 
     - Chavez is on a "Peace thru Strength" kick it appears;  twitomy   Sep-14-09 10:38 AM   #18 
     - Hello? We are the ones stockpiling weapons and building new bases in Latin America  IndianaGreen   Sep-14-09 03:49 PM   #30 
     - There is nothing in VZ that is any threat to a US action  Pavulon   Sep-14-09 08:11 PM   #36 
     - The Venezuelan government does not threaten its neighbors.  ronnie624   Sep-15-09 12:06 AM   #56 
        - So who ordered tanks to the their borders?  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-15-09 09:46 AM   #71 
           - Don't ask me to make your point for you.  ronnie624   Sep-15-09 10:20 AM   #74 
              - So its safe to assume that you did not know that after Columbia attacked the FARC camp  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-15-09 10:24 AM   #75 
                 - "...after Columbia attacked the FARC camp",  ronnie624   Sep-15-09 11:54 AM   #77 
     - Nice to see a rational  dotymed   Sep-16-09 08:39 AM   #85 
     - That aren't ours. n/t  EFerrari   Sep-14-09 10:10 PM   #49 
  - I think the tank purchases are a mistake.  David__77   Sep-14-09 04:54 AM   #6 
  - Tanks are imposing in an urban setting, like Prague, Caracas or Beijing.  denem   Sep-14-09 05:41 AM   #9 
  - They were used similarly by the Shah in Tehran  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 09:10 AM   #12 
  - only against lightly or unarmed civilians.  davepc   Sep-14-09 10:07 AM   #15 
  - you could move troops.. clear roads or forests ...  jakeXT   Sep-14-09 08:03 AM   #10 
     - Dozers clear roads, apc carry troops, and tanks intimidate helpless civilians,,  Pavulon   Sep-14-09 06:29 PM   #33 
  - "Hey, that should be our money." - Republicon Munitions Cronies  SpiralHawk   Sep-14-09 05:11 AM   #8 
  - Well it would be except we won't sell them stuff.  endarkenment   Sep-14-09 09:30 AM   #14 
     - Actually, it's because Chavez won't buy American weaponry. n/t  Psephos   Sep-14-09 08:09 PM   #34 
     - Negative, he wanted f16 parts, we gave him the high hat.  Pavulon   Sep-14-09 08:10 PM   #35 
        - Self-delete n/t  Psephos   Sep-14-09 08:48 PM   #39 
        - Aha, so THAT's where he got it from...  Psephos   Sep-14-09 09:02 PM   #43 
     - Next best sources are France or Israel  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 11:44 PM   #54 
  - Last summer, the Bushwhacks reconstituted the US 4th Fleet in the Caribbean  Peace Patriot   Sep-14-09 11:05 AM   #19 
  - Paper move only  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 01:15 PM   #23 
     - The president of Brazil said it is a threat to Brazil's oil, so I have to take that seriously.  Peace Patriot   Sep-14-09 02:27 PM   #27 
     - So you take seriously any statement made by a foreign leader? Does that include the current regime  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 09:07 PM   #47 
        - Why are you exaggerating what I said? I did NOT say that I "take seriously any statement...  Peace Patriot   Sep-15-09 03:01 AM   #63 
        - Don't arguments like that make you wonder why you bother?  Prometheus Bound   Sep-15-09 05:30 AM   #67 
        - Its called reducto absurdum  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-15-09 09:59 AM   #72 
           - ProgressiveProfessor  dotymed   Sep-16-09 08:55 AM   #86 
              - Doty Med  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-16-09 11:27 AM   #89 
                 - I disagree  dotymed   Sep-19-09 06:58 AM   #91 
        - Again, if there is not change in force allocation or structure how does it constitute a great threat  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-15-09 09:43 AM   #70 
        - Why are you exaggerating what I said? I did NOT say that I "take seriously any statement...  Peace Patriot   Sep-15-09 03:02 AM   #64 
     - We didn't reconstitute the Fourth Fleet so that our sailors do PT  IndianaGreen   Sep-14-09 03:52 PM   #31 
        - Considering that the overall force structure of the USN is shrinking  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 09:00 PM   #42 
  - They can do that...  and-justice-for-all   Sep-14-09 02:24 PM   #26 
  - Lula is certain that Senate will approve Venezuela's membership in Mercosur  Judi Lynn   Sep-14-09 05:03 PM   #32 
  - France upsets strategic balance in Latin America  Judi Lynn   Sep-14-09 08:40 PM   #37 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-14-09 09:05 PM   #46 
     - Ahhhh I would not be so confident in that  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 10:18 PM   #51 
     - The old rightwing  sabrina 1   Sep-15-09 01:02 AM   #60 
  - Let him waste his money.  Kurska   Sep-14-09 08:44 PM   #38 
  - Let him? more like force him. nt  Umbral   Sep-15-09 01:19 PM   #79 
  - President Chavez  dotymed   Sep-16-09 09:04 AM   #87 
  - What do you call a heavily militarized country that is controlled by a lone & often charismatic man?  Old Hob   Sep-14-09 10:43 PM   #53 
  - Overspent and broke?  ProgressiveProfessor   Sep-14-09 11:45 PM   #55 
  - The US under George Bush?  sabrina 1   Sep-15-09 12:58 AM   #59 
  - Even Bush didn't remove Presidential term limits  Old Hob   Sep-15-09 01:36 AM   #61 
     - Chavez did NOT remove Presidential term limits! Jeez.  Peace Patriot   Sep-15-09 02:16 AM   #62 
     - Funniest post of the thread so far.  endarkenment   Sep-15-09 09:21 AM   #68 
     - There were national two votes on lifting the presidential term limit in Venezuela.  Peace Patriot   Sep-15-09 11:12 AM   #76 
     - And Chavez didn't steal an election!  sabrina 1   Sep-15-09 12:58 PM   #78 
        - The term limit issue was put to a national vote twice in Venezuela.  Peace Patriot   Sep-15-09 02:24 PM   #80 
           - Thank you, I have been responding to  sabrina 1   Sep-15-09 07:49 PM   #81 
              - But your point was a good one, that the Chavistas PUT IT TO A VOTE of the entire country,  Peace Patriot   Sep-15-09 09:36 PM   #82 
                 - Thank you, your posts are always so clear  sabrina 1   Sep-15-09 10:37 PM   #83 
                    - "It is an outrage that this was ever allowed to happen." I agree! US elections are being fixed,  Peace Patriot   Sep-16-09 02:44 AM   #84 
  - Bushland?  dotymed   Sep-16-09 09:06 AM   #88 
  - Slightly over 1/10th of 1% of global arms sales.  Prometheus Bound   Sep-15-09 12:28 AM   #58 
  - US worried about Venezuelan arms  dipsydoodle   Sep-15-09 04:46 AM   #66 
     - The graph from your link adds perspective:  ronnie624   Sep-15-09 10:03 AM   #73 
        - This is a tremendous illustration. Puts things in real perspective. Thank you. n/t  Judi Lynn   Sep-16-09 12:30 PM   #90 
        - After looking at that graph, US state department spokesman Ian Kelly says:  Prometheus Bound   Sep-19-09 05:39 PM   #92 

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