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40. Baucus is hoping to kill health care for anyone
excepting those who can pay current premiums or are provided health care because of their employment. This proposal is just another hit piece for affordable health. There aren't enough cells to hold those who couldn't pay.
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  -Up to $3,800 fine for failure get health insurance(Sen Baucus from AP) Craftsman  Sep-08-09 01:11 PM   #0 
  - Baucus is a traitor.  Horse with no Name   Sep-08-09 01:12 PM   #1 
  - Shows just how out of touch these Washington elitists really are.  madmom   Sep-08-09 01:15 PM   #7 
  - I would use several stronger words  bc3000   Sep-08-09 02:28 PM   #60 
  - Baucus = Fascist.  New Dawn   Sep-09-09 10:43 PM   #148 
  - Cool with that if there's a $8,000 fine each month for every employee a company doesn't insure. n/t  Ian David   Sep-08-09 01:13 PM   #2 
  - Ah, the worst of both worlds...you have to buy, and no guarantee  joeybee12   Sep-08-09 01:14 PM   #3 
  - Stupid question, but does it come with an equitable fine for insurance company rejection claims? nt  valerief   Sep-08-09 01:14 PM   #4 
  - Probably not, I have found out that everytime the middle class is thrown a bone some else get steak.  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 01:16 PM   #8 
  - Good question, but I doubt it, although $3,000  sabrina 1   Sep-08-09 02:15 PM   #52 
     - That's why I used the word equitable. If the patient's income is 30K and  valerief   Sep-08-09 03:45 PM   #103 
  - People need JOBS here in Ohio to afford that. n/t  OhioChick   Sep-08-09 01:15 PM   #5 
  - Presumably the government would foot the bill for people without jobs.  subterranean   Sep-08-09 01:18 PM   #10 
     - You got that in writing? In MA they do the same but are out of money  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 01:19 PM   #11 
     - What about those working a minimum wage job? n/t  OhioChick   Sep-08-09 03:17 PM   #97 
        - The article says they would get tax credits.  subterranean   Sep-08-09 05:21 PM   #116 
           - Tax credits are the wrong way to go.  Mystayya   Sep-09-09 11:22 AM   #142 
  - More corporate welfare.  rucky   Sep-08-09 01:15 PM   #6 
  - Baucus is an idiot  Warpy   Sep-08-09 01:16 PM   #9 
  - and if they can't afford the fine?  Solly Mack   Sep-08-09 01:19 PM   #12 
  - Debtor's Prison may make a come back.  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 01:20 PM   #15 
  - he wants to fine the poor!  Rosa Luxemburg   Sep-08-09 01:23 PM   #18 
  - Heaven forbid he should tax the rich! nt  valerief   Sep-08-09 01:59 PM   #42 
     - The poor are not nearly as generious with their compaign contributions  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 02:09 PM   #47 
        - Say what? The poor is poor. And getting poorer. nt  valerief   Sep-08-09 03:41 PM   #102 
  - REminds me of the movie "Maxed Out"  Doctor_J   Sep-08-09 07:42 PM   #126 
  - They will withold any tax refunds you may have coming to you...  GReedDiamond   Sep-09-09 11:18 AM   #140 
  - no insurance executive left behind....  mike_c   Sep-08-09 01:19 PM   #13 
  - You should enter that in the next DU slogan contest.  CrispyQ   Sep-08-09 01:47 PM   #37 
  - so here's a piece of what the insurance corporations' money bought....  nightrain   Sep-08-09 01:19 PM   #14 
  - this is precisely why it is NOT reform, but IS a massive  ixion   Sep-08-09 01:20 PM   #16 
  - This was the plan all along. nt  WriteDown   Sep-08-09 09:18 PM   #131 
  - I wonder what kind of bonus bribe he'll get from the health insurers  dflprincess   Sep-08-09 01:20 PM   #17 
  - $1,200/month for insurance or $3,800/year to do without...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 01:24 PM   #19 
  - They appear to be living in some parallel universe where money grows on trees  Cronus Protagonist   Sep-08-09 01:38 PM   #32 
  - It does for them.  neverforget   Sep-08-09 02:14 PM   #50 
  - Unfortunately, it will be OUR universe soon...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 02:29 PM   #64 
  - to them poor people's money grows on trees  CreekDog   Sep-08-09 03:58 PM   #107 
     - That's so damn fucking true it almost hurts to hear it  Cronus Protagonist   Sep-08-09 04:04 PM   #108 
  - Not trying to defend Baucus or anything, but  Inuca   Sep-08-09 01:53 PM   #41 
     - That's what it costs here in Washington state to insure a family...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 02:32 PM   #66 
  - An ins. company's dream legislation. Force the people to buy their services.  Honeycombe8   Sep-08-09 01:26 PM   #20 
  - It has worked with car insurance  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 01:28 PM   #22 
  - Yes, LIABILITY ins. has made some ins. cos. very rich. But really....  Honeycombe8   Sep-08-09 01:37 PM   #29 
  - Yep. Also, car insurance is truly catastrophic  Hello_Kitty   Sep-08-09 03:40 PM   #100 
     - Very good point. nt  Honeycombe8   Sep-08-09 07:09 PM   #124 
  - What has worked with care insurance?  daa   Sep-08-09 01:37 PM   #31 
  - ....  Psephos   Sep-08-09 02:09 PM   #48 
  - No it didn't. If I choose to use public transportation I don't need car insurance.  harun   Sep-08-09 02:16 PM   #53 
  - As I told the other poster, you only have to buy LIABILITY, not COLLISION.  Honeycombe8   Sep-08-09 02:25 PM   #58 
  - But you don't need car insurance if you don't have a car, do you?  stopbush   Sep-08-09 02:47 PM   #81 
  - my car insurance is 1100 a year for two cars  backwoodsbob   Sep-10-09 04:16 PM   #153 
  - Isn't that the definition of Fascism? Corporations and Government..........  pattmarty   Sep-08-09 01:47 PM   #39 
     - EXACTLY!  FiveGoodMen   Sep-08-09 02:52 PM   #88 
     - YES! It is Fascism...  fascisthunter   Sep-08-09 05:56 PM   #122 
  - How can a mandate  TransitJohn   Sep-08-09 01:27 PM   #21 
  - The have had a similar law in Mass well over a year now.  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 01:29 PM   #23 
  - Massachussets isn't the United States, though.  TransitJohn   Sep-08-09 01:44 PM   #36 
  - Has Baucus no empathy for those w/o a job or in financial straights?  mod mom   Sep-08-09 01:32 PM   #26 
  - Of course it will stand up...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 02:34 PM   #69 
     - Really? Like a life tax?  TransitJohn   Sep-08-09 03:02 PM   #94 
  - And if your health care dollars are already committed to paying off past  Lars39   Sep-08-09 01:30 PM   #24 
  - If We Had A Single Payer Universal Program There Would Be No Need For Fines......nt  global1   Sep-08-09 01:30 PM   #25 
  - But that would stand in the way of profits for the corporations that  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 01:33 PM   #27 
  - But see . . . how would that keep you enslaved to a job?  HughBeaumont   Sep-08-09 08:32 PM   #128 
  - ???????  timo   Sep-08-09 01:35 PM   #28 
  - It will only work if it is a refundable tax credit...  WCGreen   Sep-08-09 01:37 PM   #30 
  - They can kiss my fucking ass if they think I'm paying a fine.  Th1onein   Sep-08-09 01:39 PM   #33 
  - government forcing people to pay for corporate/privatized services is fascism...  fascisthunter   Sep-08-09 01:41 PM   #34 
  - You know what???????? It just hit me. THIS IS THE REPUBLICAN BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!  pattmarty   Sep-08-09 01:42 PM   #35 
  - There are a lot of Republicans who wouldn't put something like that in a bill.  harun   Sep-08-09 02:19 PM   #55 
  - It's actually a bit similar to McCain's.  Igel   Sep-08-09 02:52 PM   #87 
  - It's pretty much Romneycare.  Crunchy Frog   Sep-08-09 05:28 PM   #118 
  - Good thing this plan is likely going nowhere  mvd   Sep-08-09 01:47 PM   #38 
  - Don't fool yourself...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 02:28 PM   #62 
  - Mandates may go through, but I don't think Baucus's version will  mvd   Sep-08-09 02:50 PM   #85 
     - Any bill with a mandate is bad  blue_onyx   Sep-08-09 05:53 PM   #121 
  - It will be collected by the IRS - they have the power to take what they want  Dragonfli   Sep-08-09 02:35 PM   #71 
     - IRS Motto; We got what it takes to take what you got.  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 02:49 PM   #83 
     - Hopefully if they put people in jail, people will..  mvd   Sep-08-09 02:49 PM   #84 
  - Baucus is hoping to kill health care for anyone  zogofzorkon   Sep-08-09 01:51 PM   #40 
  - And let me guess  mvd   Sep-08-09 02:01 PM   #44 
  - You're missing the point -- the goal isn't to KILL health-care reform, it's to GAME it...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 09:35 PM   #132 
     - They can't get blood from a turnip n/t  zogofzorkon   Sep-08-09 10:06 PM   #135 
  - Gee, if all our taxes didn't go to war (and as such), we could afford healthcare for all. nt  valerief   Sep-08-09 02:00 PM   #43 
  - i get the sentiment but i just want to point out  PHIMG   Sep-08-09 03:52 PM   #104 
     - Single payer makes sense for people in our world but not for people in their world. nt  valerief   Sep-08-09 04:08 PM   #111 
  - I'm getting to hate him  Spirochete   Sep-08-09 02:03 PM   #45 
  - And he has the gall to put a D behind his name? Unfuckingbelievable.  CrispyQ   Sep-08-09 02:03 PM   #46 
  - Yet, some wonder why the polls show so much broad-spectrum loathing of Congress. nt  Psephos   Sep-08-09 02:11 PM   #49 
  - How can that be even remotely constitutional?  harun   Sep-08-09 02:14 PM   #51 
  - And since when has that mattered to some in congress?  Craftsman   Sep-08-09 02:18 PM   #54 
  - Yah, it has been a long time since they paid attention to the constitution.  harun   Sep-08-09 02:20 PM   #56 
  - Likely only Constitutional under the most tortured construction of the Interstate Commerce Clause.  Romulox   Sep-08-09 02:29 PM   #65 
  - Taxes are constitutional...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 02:35 PM   #73 
     - This is why federal income taxes are constitutional:  Igel   Sep-08-09 03:00 PM   #92 
     - Can't tax a rock. If people don't have the money they won't pay. Also it isn't being  harun   Sep-08-09 09:13 PM   #130 
  - This is not a new provision. This is in the current bill before the House  RantinRavin   Sep-08-09 02:22 PM   #57 
  - Saying it would be "just like auto coverage" is inaccurate in many ways  slackmaster   Sep-08-09 02:26 PM   #59 
  - It would be a life tax  demwing   Sep-08-09 02:35 PM   #72 
     - Good point  mvd   Sep-08-09 02:54 PM   #89 
     - "Life taxes" used to be called "poll taxes".  Igel   Sep-08-09 03:04 PM   #95 
  - Wow, dude is fucking nuts. No much else to say, is there? n/t  Zorra   Sep-08-09 02:28 PM   #61 
  - What did people think that *mandatory* private insurance meant?  Romulox   Sep-08-09 02:28 PM   #63 
  - Sometimes The Words of Those Who Won This Country Bear Repeating  TheWatcher   Sep-08-09 02:33 PM   #67 
  - I will refuse to purchase that coverage  demwing   Sep-08-09 02:33 PM   #68 
  - You won't be alone... I'm right there with you.... nt  Blasphemer   Sep-08-09 04:08 PM   #110 
  - What a joke. This is a give-away to insurance companies.  Cass   Sep-08-09 02:35 PM   #70 
  - What is the corporate penalty for failure to provide insurance?  endarkenment   Sep-08-09 02:38 PM   #74 
  - Let me guess - this version of the plan also doesn't include a public option.  kestrel91316   Sep-08-09 02:40 PM   #75 
  - Memo to Baucus...  Chulanowa   Sep-08-09 02:41 PM   #76 
  - Seconded! n/t  Uncle Joe   Sep-08-09 05:28 PM   #119 
  - Can't Montanans recall this fucking asshole, for Chrissake? Montana has recall elections. Any DUers  salguine   Sep-08-09 02:43 PM   #77 
  - That would be wonderful.  Seldona   Sep-08-09 03:57 PM   #106 
  - And so we have tonights "Headline" for the talkinghead to extort. eom  Purveyor   Sep-08-09 02:44 PM   #78 
  - Yeah That Works So Well With Car Insurance Fines  mcollier   Sep-08-09 02:45 PM   #79 
  - Government mandates should come with government  pokercat999   Sep-08-09 02:45 PM   #80 
  - "just like auto coverage"???  PatSeg   Sep-08-09 02:48 PM   #82 
  - Is Baucus a Republican mole?  smoogatz   Sep-08-09 02:52 PM   #86 
  - People won't do things they dont want to..........  galileoreloaded   Sep-08-09 02:54 PM   #90 
  - Mother. Fucker.  DRoseDARs   Sep-08-09 02:57 PM   #91 
  - Fuck you Max  Bluenorthwest   Sep-08-09 03:02 PM   #93 
  - What kind of fucking bullshit is this?  DebbieCDC   Sep-08-09 03:12 PM   #96 
  - Once again, Max... If I'd wanted Romney Care... I would've voted for Romney. nt  Hugin   Sep-08-09 03:28 PM   #98 
  - Horrible. Stunningly, outrageously, batshit crazy HORRIBLE  Doremus   Sep-08-09 03:28 PM   #99 
  - sounds like a great way to get people to hate this bill  PHIMG   Sep-08-09 03:41 PM   #101 
  - talk about a win/win for Ins.  BigD_95   Sep-08-09 03:54 PM   #105 
  - Mandatory is a license to gouge  bl968   Sep-08-09 04:08 PM   #109 
  - The Baucus Plan is NO compromise....It pure, unadulterated EVIL.  Faryn Balyncd   Sep-08-09 04:27 PM   #112 
  - And all these people complaining about having to pay for  eagertolearn   Sep-08-09 04:50 PM   #113 
  - felony or misdemeanor .nt  excess_3   Sep-08-09 05:05 PM   #114 
  - Sounds like the insurance companies wrote it.  dugaresa   Sep-08-09 05:13 PM   #115 
  - Baucus is finished as a Dem. He might as well change parties or planets.  Piewhacket   Sep-08-09 05:27 PM   #117 
  - Baucas probably plans to trot off to future for himself on K Street.  avaistheone1   Sep-08-09 07:51 PM   #127 
  - I would like Senator Baucus to be held in a Turkish prison  undeterred   Sep-08-09 05:47 PM   #120 
  - What about people without income?  L. Coyote   Sep-08-09 06:44 PM   #123 
  - That's how I read it all along.  Lagomorph   Sep-08-09 07:26 PM   #125 
  - You're being overoptimistic...  regnaD kciN   Sep-08-09 09:38 PM   #133 
  - Stupid, stupid, stupid!!  YoungAndOutraged   Sep-08-09 09:08 PM   #129 
  - I'd rather be carted off to jail  Libertas1776   Sep-08-09 09:50 PM   #134 
  - There is going to be such a swing from Dem to Repub in 2010!  davekriss   Sep-08-09 10:39 PM   #136 
  - You have got to be F'ing kidding me BaucASS  EndElectoral   Sep-08-09 10:52 PM   #137 
  - The health insurance industry fucks us over  CanonRay   Sep-09-09 09:11 AM   #138 
  - ...  Delphinus   Sep-09-09 11:01 AM   #139 
  - Great- tax credits  Mystayya   Sep-09-09 11:21 AM   #141 
  - Lose your job, can't pay, go to jail for being so impudent as to not pay the fine?  Deja Q   Sep-09-09 11:29 AM   #143 
  - More corporate welfarestolen from the people.  Vidar   Sep-09-09 11:58 AM   #144 
  - And we are calling for him to resign from his post.  Overseas   Sep-09-09 03:01 PM   #145 
  - So the fine would be less than one month's health insurance premium...  ProudDad   Sep-09-09 09:41 PM   #146 
  - Forcing people to buy a product from a private company is fascist economics.  New Dawn   Sep-09-09 10:42 PM   #147 
  - If I can not afford insurance, where in he fuck am I going to get  and-justice-for-all   Sep-10-09 12:44 AM   #149 
  - WITH HARDSHIP EXCEPTIONS!!!!  ThePatriotHour   Sep-10-09 03:06 PM   #150 
  - They are selling you Kool-Aid  IndianaGreen   Sep-10-09 03:38 PM   #152 
  - How white of Baucus to burden the working class with this insurance rif-off  IndianaGreen   Sep-10-09 03:36 PM   #151 
 

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