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Fri Aug-28-09 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #36 |
| 80. While we're throwing around monikered rules... Hugin's Unemployment Observation |
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Has this covered... And, well... It disagrees with your idea.
Basically, HUO mirrors the rationale governing when it's time to foreclose a mortgage or shutter a bank.
(In the following replace 'payments' with 'jobs created')
If two sequential payments are not made, then it is unlikely that whoever is responsible for making those payments has the resources to make up those two payments and also carry the current month's payment. The unemployment situation is much worse, because, the deficit payments have ballooned to many times the minimum payment each month and it has at this point been going on for far more than two months.
Unemployment is more dire... Because this is the livelihood of those affected in question. Will they eat? Will they be sheltered? Will they receive medical attention? (As a function of public health, if not just for the individual) ... etc. Now, unemployment insurance does buy some breathing space, but, it's really a debt. Those individuals receiving it are no longer adding value to the system as a whole... They are negative spending.
Unemployment insurance is exactly analogous to living on Credit Cards while not being able to make Mortgage Payments.
I think during the last Depression... HUO was realized and that's why the WPA and CCC were implemented. So, that at least some value was being added to the system by those idled and their skills weren't lost to disuse. It kept them in a working frame of mind, too. Those people wouldn't fall into a pattern of low esteem where they were focused on maintaining their stipends.
So, isn't it time we foreclose on the current employment plan? (if there is one) and go with something different?
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| -STOCK MARKET WATCH, Friday August 28 |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 04:38 AM |
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Good Morning!!! Have a super weekend |
saigon68 |
Aug-28-09 04:41 AM |
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G'morning. |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 04:47 AM |
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Market Observation |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 04:42 AM |
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Why People Say It's Over: Hale "Bonddad" Stewart: The Myth of the Black Swan |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:08 AM |
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Why We Don't Believe Them |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:15 AM |
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Exactly. |
DemReadingDU |
Aug-28-09 05:52 AM |
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I would add to your list of why we don't believe them - NOTHING HAS CHANGED. |
fasttense |
Aug-28-09 05:53 AM |
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Agreed. |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:57 AM |
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Yeah. What she said. ;-) |
Tansy_Gold |
Aug-28-09 06:25 AM |
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Morning Marketeers..... |
AnneD |
Aug-28-09 09:49 AM |
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Fundamentally Succesful People Care. Thanks, Anne! |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 11:03 AM |
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Shouldn't "than" be followed by an accusative? I'm not sure. |
Joe Chi Minh |
Aug-28-09 06:51 AM |
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Look at the Construction |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:58 AM |
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Lambert's Law of Language: |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:22 AM |
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The language elitist in me politely disagrees ;-) |
Tansy_Gold |
Aug-28-09 08:05 AM |
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Mark Twain started it! |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 08:17 AM |
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YAY! |
bain_sidhe |
Aug-28-09 11:17 AM |
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He is another line for your Teacher Husband |
mrdmk |
Aug-28-09 11:41 AM |
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Yeah! What he said! |
bain_sidhe |
Aug-28-09 12:00 PM |
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these days, the ability to write standard English will make you stand out from the crowd. |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 11:56 AM |
#119 |
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Yup. That's why I said "sadly" |
bain_sidhe |
Aug-28-09 12:04 PM |
#121 |
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Well, if y'all want to coast around the DU sounding like Mattie Ross in "True Grit"... |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 12:15 PM |
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Oh, man, I haven't thought of that movie in ages! |
bain_sidhe |
Aug-28-09 12:31 PM |
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Yes, she was a person of principle and lived up to her creed. |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 12:49 PM |
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IDEA! Maybe we should start a "language elitist" group |
bain_sidhe |
Aug-28-09 12:08 PM |
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Here's the first question for you to mull the number of which will fit on the head of a pin. |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 12:19 PM |
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bringing it back to the topic at hand, I see... |
bain_sidhe |
Aug-28-09 12:34 PM |
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Not, exactly... It's relevance to the topic at hand is merely a coincidence. |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 12:43 PM |
#127 |
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Yeah, those commas have a pretty good right hook. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 04:23 PM |
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I read this at the public library |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 03:59 PM |
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NLP: Communication is the response you get. |
TalkingDog |
Aug-28-09 11:50 AM |
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Yes, I know, I know. I saw the error after the edit feature expired. |
fasttense |
Aug-28-09 09:21 AM |
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Well, that sounded an awful lot like #3 and #4. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 06:25 AM |
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FRSP is the Only Thing That Comes to Mind |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:28 AM |
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Did the period following the French Revolution spawn a lot of good and abiding regulations? |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:09 AM |
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FRSP Refers Solely to "Madame la Guillotine" |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 07:17 AM |
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OMG, I agree with Demeter on something! |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:34 AM |
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One cannot argue with faith. |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:23 AM |
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Unemployment went down last month. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 06:41 AM |
#36 |
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While we're throwing around monikered rules... Hugin's Unemployment Observation |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 08:11 AM |
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AMEN! |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:14 AM |
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Ditto. eom |
Tansy_Gold |
Aug-28-09 03:15 PM |
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I agree, we could and should do more to fight unemployment. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 04:36 PM |
#145 |
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I refer the author to James Howard Kunstler latest bulletin, linked here yesterday: |
Joe Chi Minh |
Aug-28-09 06:54 AM |
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Today's Reports |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 04:50 AM |
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U.S. July incomes flat vs. 0.2% gain expected - July inflation flat, core prices up 0.1% |
UpInArms |
Aug-28-09 08:00 AM |
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Oil prices hover near $73 in Asia |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 04:54 AM |
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Awash in natural gas, prices hit new 7-year lows |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:09 AM |
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Also interesting |
Robbien |
Aug-28-09 07:17 AM |
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Oil futures up 71 cents at $73.20/brl on Globex |
UpInArms |
Aug-28-09 08:01 AM |
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Dell sales drop Y-O-Y, share price leaps. |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 04:59 AM |
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Evidence mounts recession's grip on economy easing |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:06 AM |
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Wall Street Rules: The Bernanke Reappointment Robert L. Borosage |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:21 AM |
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Stanford’s finance chief pleads guilty |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:25 AM |
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Do you hear an update to Ozy's scoreboard coming? |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:51 AM |
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BTW, Ozy, I've lost track of the malefactors you counted on the scoreboard. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:54 AM |
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We should have a look-up list or link |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 07:57 AM |
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Maybe down in the body of the thread, something like Festivito's record of the national debt. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 08:13 AM |
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"Timpani" and "tympani" are both correct |
1955doubledie |
Aug-28-09 08:56 AM |
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When you get to rules of spelling, our language is truly insane. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 03:05 PM |
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The end of the line for California automaking |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:26 AM |
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That plant made the Toyota Matrix and Pontiac Vibe. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:46 AM |
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Mentioned this story to my wife, and she said, "Now they get a taste of what it's like in Michigan." |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 03:40 PM |
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Banks on Sick List Top 400 |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:28 AM |
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I Can't Wait to See the Bank Failures Tonight |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:34 AM |
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Toyota to halt production in California plant |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:33 AM |
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In Related News: ‘Cash-for-clunkers’ sales disappoint Detroit |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:38 AM |
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I Also Read or Heard that "Buyer's Remorse" is Setting In |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:59 AM |
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let's call it "burrowing" forward. |
Po_d Mainiac |
Aug-28-09 06:49 AM |
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Debt: 08/25/2009 11,730,400,622,450.31 (UP 11,339,696,584.45) (Mostly the FICA side.) |
Festivito |
Aug-28-09 05:40 AM |
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Debt: 08/26/2009 11,716,563,436,531.39 (DOWN 13,837,185,918.92) (Both down.) |
Festivito |
Aug-28-09 02:34 PM |
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Debt: 08/27/2009 11,725,477,836,090.85 (UP 8,914,399,559.46) (Both up.) |
Festivito |
Aug-28-09 02:37 PM |
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Spain's Toxic Waste Cleanup: Santander unveils €16bn bond buy-back |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 05:42 AM |
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ATA Truck Tonnage Index Rose 2.1 Percent in July |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:47 AM |
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Loans That Looked Easy Pose Threats to Recovery |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:51 AM |
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Have a nice day, folks. |
ozymandius |
Aug-28-09 05:59 AM |
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See You Later Ozy! On the Weekend Economists Thread in Editorials Forum |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:05 AM |
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Folk songs of the 30's did but not the 60's |
kickysnana |
Aug-28-09 06:26 AM |
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Okay! Then That's What We Will Do! |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:29 AM |
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Songs of the Great Depression |
1955doubledie |
Aug-28-09 09:07 AM |
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Don't forget the ultimate classic... "Happy Days Are Here Again" |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 09:13 AM |
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May I suggest James McMurtry? |
Loge23 |
Aug-28-09 08:01 AM |
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OH, CANADA (SIGH) Debt tripping up Canadians |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:36 AM |
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Debt Burden Quickens Power Shift as G-8 Loses Clout (Update2) |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:38 AM |
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With Wounded Pride, Unemployed Koreans Quietly Turn to Manual Labor |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 06:56 AM |
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Huh, Americans turn to sticking up 7-11s. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 07:57 AM |
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Sure, why not? |
1955doubledie |
Aug-28-09 09:19 AM |
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Ten principles for a Black Swan-proof world By Nassim Nicholas Taleb |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 07:19 AM |
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Barney shoots straight? |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:21 AM |
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1,000 Banks to Fail In Next Two Years: Bank CEO |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:22 AM |
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Welcome to DU! |
Strong Atheist |
Aug-30-09 01:27 PM |
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Hummel: The US Will Default On Its Debt |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:23 AM |
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NO, That's the IMF Way |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 07:56 AM |
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So how high will the national debt rise if gov keeps commitment to the People? |
DemReadingDU |
Aug-28-09 08:22 AM |
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We Have to Take Out the GOP Tax Cuts and the GOP Wars |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:28 AM |
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Agree with you there |
DemReadingDU |
Aug-28-09 08:48 AM |
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I'm sorry but BOTH parties at fault. |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:17 AM |
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What Sibel says |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:27 AM |
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Yup, Democrats and Republicans. Exactly the same. |
1955doubledie |
Aug-28-09 09:27 AM |
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You are either on the bus |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:31 AM |
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Speaking as one "under-the-bus"... I can say. |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 09:33 AM |
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Close enough though. |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:48 AM |
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A third option? Love it. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 03:44 PM |
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I'm with him |
Wednesdays |
Aug-28-09 09:45 AM |
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Me? |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:53 AM |
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Keep on talking |
Wednesdays |
Aug-28-09 09:58 AM |
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If You Want to Pick a Fight With Someone, Could You Do It On Another Thread, Please? |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 11:01 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-28-09 11:32 AM |
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I think there's an old adage about a door that would apply here |
Tansy_Gold |
Aug-28-09 03:51 PM |
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Oh, snap. A message deleted on SMW. That's rare. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 04:31 PM |
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Hummel: Why Default on U.S. Treasuries is Likely |
DemReadingDU |
Aug-28-09 08:28 AM |
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Very Interesting |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 04:06 PM |
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Recession hitting Farms |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:26 AM |
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Hay yields down, prices on rise |
Robbien |
Aug-28-09 07:46 AM |
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Racketeering 101: Bailed Out Banks Threaten Systemic Collapse If Fed Discloses Information |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:28 AM |
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The Holdup - David Bromberg |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:33 AM |
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I Call. Let Them All Go Under |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:00 AM |
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dollar watch |
UpInArms |
Aug-28-09 07:29 AM |
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Tiffany results beat estimates, shares up (the rich are still getting richer) |
UpInArms |
Aug-28-09 07:36 AM |
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The World's 50 Safest Banks |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:36 AM |
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Thanks! I Needed That! |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:02 AM |
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Not sure. |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 08:08 AM |
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Demand Destruction Price Deflation |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:38 AM |
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From dust to bust, America's poor take on a new type of monster |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:43 AM |
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At least it isn't this bad yet. |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:47 AM |
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New monster in town |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:51 AM |
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Love the 'toon. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 08:05 AM |
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Jesusland |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 08:18 AM |
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Change we can believe in |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:55 AM |
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Source: Richardson Probe "Was Killed In Washington" |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 07:58 AM |
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At this point, who cares? |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:19 AM |
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It is TPM |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:19 AM |
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Deleted message |
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Aug-28-09 09:32 AM |
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Epoon hasn't posted anything more negative than Tansy Gold or Demeter or The Watcher. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 03:58 PM |
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Latin America Moving Away From Drug Prohibition? |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 08:00 AM |
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Sadly there is No Obama unicorn bacon pic |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 08:05 AM |
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I found this adivce on my future money issue. |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 08:13 AM |
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Yes, Our Condo Association Did That |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:24 AM |
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Florida Congresswoman short-sales house, shacks up with constituent! |
Dr.Phool |
Aug-28-09 08:22 AM |
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Wow. that's some loss. |
Demeter |
Aug-28-09 08:25 AM |
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Remind me to relate the story of when... |
Hugin |
Aug-28-09 09:07 AM |
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Ben Franklin was FOX newsworthy |
Epoon |
Aug-28-09 09:24 AM |
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Nation's Unemployment Outlook Improves Drastically After Fifth Beer |
Dr.Phool |
Aug-28-09 12:49 PM |
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Is that something to do with all those folks who fall off |
Ghost Dog |
Aug-28-09 03:07 PM |
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The economy might look all rosy tonight, |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 04:06 PM |
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Stock Market didn't move much today. |
tclambert |
Aug-28-09 04:15 PM |
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How about Adair Turner, Chairman of the Financial Services Authority, |
Joe Chi Minh |
Aug-28-09 07:11 PM |
#146 |