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149. What a powerful and devastating response.
Absolutely profound.

You're on fire.
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  -Chávez Loyalists Push to Close Golf Courses WriteDown  Aug-12-09 07:39 AM   #0 
  - Typical authoritarian BS.  Odin2005   Aug-12-09 08:03 AM   #1 
  - +1  GodlessBiker   Aug-12-09 08:11 AM   #4 
  - Chavez was one of the first goverments in South America  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:35 AM   #27 
  - Golf is bourgeois???  Spouting Horn   Aug-12-09 05:03 PM   #103 
  - The Chavez government proposed equal rights for women and gays, as an amendment  Peace Patriot   Aug-12-09 06:10 PM   #116 
  - Oops, another Chavez myth easily shot down.  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:39 PM   #133 
  - I guess he doesn't  Yupster   Aug-15-09 11:28 AM   #186 
     - Our State Department objected to this "assault" on golf but didn't say  EFerrari   Aug-15-09 05:30 PM   #191 
  - Golf courses are a waste of resources.  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:05 AM   #2 
  - But baseball diamonds or football fields aren't?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:15 AM   #5 
  - Baseball diamonds and football fields  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:21 AM   #6 
     - And golf courses do?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:27 AM   #8 
     - There is a golf course in Death Valley.  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:36 AM   #9 
     - Southern California is built in a desert....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:39 AM   #10 
        - What the fuck does someone who lives in Texas of all places know about California?  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-13-09 04:58 PM   #165 
     - Right. So tearing down a natural habitat  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:47 AM   #12 
     - Better than a baseball diamond, tennis court, soccer field....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:50 AM   #13 
     - It's like cutting down some trees to build a park for kids to play.  GodlessBiker   Aug-12-09 08:55 AM   #15 
        - Ask the animals.  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:58 AM   #16 
           - Asking is easy; getting a response is more difficult.  GodlessBiker   Aug-12-09 09:35 AM   #26 
           - I just did. They said they'd discuss it after the turn.  Beer on a stick   Aug-12-09 09:45 PM   #136 
     - Golf is not a big mass sport in Venezuela or most other poorer nations.  Better Believe It   Aug-12-09 01:19 PM   #63 
     - beg to differ---they might not be built in wilderness areas, but they destroy habitat  wordpix   Aug-12-09 09:33 PM   #131 
  - Golf courses add so much to a development. It's like  laureloak   Aug-12-09 08:45 AM   #11 
  - Puritanical thinking.  Odin2005   Aug-12-09 08:54 AM   #14 
  - You're funny!  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 09:02 AM   #18 
  - Amen  XemaSab   Aug-12-09 09:31 AM   #23 
  - My dad is a golf course superintendent.  Akoto   Aug-12-09 03:11 PM   #83 
  - So are soccer fields.  mamaleah   Aug-12-09 03:54 PM   #89 
  - So you'd tear them down, then. n/t  cigsandcoffee   Aug-12-09 05:56 PM   #114 
  - I associate golf with Bush & wealthy people who don't give a damn  KakistocracyHater   Aug-12-09 07:21 PM   #122 
  - Guess who was pretzeldent of the USGA?  Octafish   Aug-15-09 05:18 PM   #190 
  - The difference in golf and government is that in golf you can't improve your lie.  NJGeek   Aug-12-09 09:50 PM   #138 
  - I like golf, especially watching the pro's on Sunday afternoon, but it is  harun   Aug-12-09 08:10 AM   #3 
  - How utterly communist.  laureloak   Aug-12-09 01:34 PM   #69 
  - how about the "greens fees" go to greening the cities, esp. in low income neighborhoods?  wordpix   Aug-12-09 09:38 PM   #132 
     - They already do, for municiple courses.  Beer on a stick   Aug-12-09 09:46 PM   #137 
  - off the rails  paulk   Aug-12-09 08:23 AM   #7 
  - wow  timo   Aug-12-09 08:59 AM   #17 
  - Typical authoritarian BS  endarkenment   Aug-12-09 09:03 AM   #19 
  - But, at least they can golf...nt  Lagomorph   Aug-12-09 05:38 PM   #109 
  - Hmmm, I played on the Tegucigalpa Country Club Golf Course. Interesting experience.  SharonAnn   Aug-15-09 03:07 PM   #188 
  - Simon Romero of the NYT won't report on that  SOS   Aug-15-09 05:53 PM   #192 
  - Chavez is a hopeless idiot.  kegler14   Aug-12-09 09:10 AM   #20 
  - You're entitled to your opinion, which amounts to nothing  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 04:52 PM   #98 
     - I agree  ipaint   Aug-12-09 05:54 PM   #113 
     - I wish I could recommend your comment. You've nailed it!  Peace Patriot   Aug-12-09 06:52 PM   #118 
     - People buy into the them v. us story and don't notice that all the LatAm progressives  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 07:13 PM   #120 
     - Excellent comment, that is my fear as well.  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:22 PM   #128 
     - bravo!  wordpix   Aug-12-09 09:39 PM   #134 
     - Hell, yeah.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 11:44 PM   #146 
  - Well, damn, now my whole morning is ruined. nt  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:23 AM   #21 
  - Sorry about that. nt.  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:23 AM   #22 
     - No problem, happens all the time when I come here.  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:41 AM   #30 
  - Freedom!  Renew Deal   Aug-12-09 09:32 AM   #24 
  - Another gem from Simon Romoero. LOL!  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:34 AM   #25 
  - Yep...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:38 AM   #28 
  - That's exactly the point. The government wants to get people out of  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:41 AM   #29 
     - No, no, freedom to golf is a human rights issue, everybody knows that. nt  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:42 AM   #31 
     - Who are these people who believe this crap  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:44 AM   #32 
        - "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:49 AM   #33 
     - Easiest way...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:52 AM   #34 
        - There are all kinds of reasons why they might not want to put  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:04 AM   #35 
           - In that case...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:08 AM   #37 
           - That's right. And if you think about it, poor people wind up  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:20 AM   #40 
              - If the gov't really wanted to do it..  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:24 AM   #43 
                 - in Venezuela it does it seems How long has Chavez been president??  Bacchus39   Aug-12-09 11:49 AM   #48 
                 - They are doing it. They've cut the backlog about in half. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 03:08 PM   #82 
                 - "...other sites in Caracas"? When the mayor of Caracas proposed  Peace Patriot   Aug-12-09 07:26 PM   #123 
           - Of course  Spouting Horn   Aug-12-09 04:57 PM   #100 
              - Lower yourself to getting a sense of what they're dealing with.  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 05:02 PM   #102 
              - The government has converted all kinds of sites into housing  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 05:27 PM   #106 
  - Despite the glaring bias,  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 11:55 AM   #49 
  - Yup, good point, ronnie24! Chavez is merely making an argument for something  Peace Patriot   Aug-13-09 11:47 AM   #157 
  - He's just doing it for publicity. Meanwhile it's fine dining  laureloak   Aug-12-09 01:35 PM   #70 
  - The Venezuelan government has worked hard on affordable housing  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 02:51 PM   #78 
     - Glad you agree. Chavez is a communist dictator creep.  laureloak   Aug-12-09 03:30 PM   #86 
     - The people, whose lives have improved by almost every measure  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 03:33 PM   #87 
     - those people do not count  fascisthunter   Aug-12-09 05:33 PM   #108 
     - Spoken without a shred of evidence other than  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:28 PM   #129 
     - 180,000,000 ?  RantinRavin   Aug-12-09 03:53 PM   #88 
        - Typo: Shortfall is 1.8 million. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 03:58 PM   #91 
  - Yep, I still would like to know if he's on the contact list  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 05:07 PM   #104 
     - Propaganda works. Something like a third of the posters to this thread  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 05:39 PM   #111 
  - Chavez could declare "It is the duty of every Venezuelan to learn to play the piano!"  slackmaster   Aug-12-09 10:05 AM   #36 
  - He would be promoting....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:09 AM   #38 
  - You read this stuff from Romero that turns out to be bs every time  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:23 AM   #41 
  - Every time you strip them down naked...  LanternWaste   Aug-12-09 02:03 PM   #76 
  - What's wrong with that, so long as there's no law to that effect?  David__77   Aug-12-09 10:24 AM   #44 
  - actually, funny enough  northzax   Aug-12-09 11:58 AM   #51 
  - But he hasn't done that.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 12:06 PM   #52 
     - Yep, just see the Kelo decision for that. nt.  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 12:10 PM   #53 
        - Does your reference somehow support your 'position', whatever that may be?  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 01:01 PM   #56 
           - Considering that I do not remember any golf courses...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:02 PM   #57 
           - Your perceptions prove nothing.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 01:13 PM   #59 
           - By that logic...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:14 PM   #60 
              - Congo? I could have sworn we were discussing Venezuela.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 01:18 PM   #62 
              - We can't discuss anything...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #66 
              - Try working on reducing sexual violence in your own country  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 06:06 PM   #115 
           - There are two, both located between Caracas and La Carlota.  Occulus   Aug-12-09 03:12 PM   #84 
              - The answer is far more simple...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 03:20 PM   #85 
                 - A certain percentage of people already have a huge shantytown west of El Algodona  Occulus   Aug-12-09 03:58 PM   #90 
                 - Much, but not nearly all....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 04:01 PM   #92 
                    - What a horrid attitude to have toward the indigent and the deceased.  Occulus   Aug-12-09 04:16 PM   #94 
                       - Do you really think cemetarys that are used by....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:53 PM   #140 
                 - Wow! And you call Chavez an 'authoritarian'??  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:51 PM   #139 
                    - There are no "sacred" resting places....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:55 PM   #141 
                    - He's not kidding.  ronnie624   Aug-13-09 12:07 AM   #148 
                       - I see that you are right. How shocking to find such  sabrina 1   Aug-13-09 01:07 AM   #153 
           - And Venezuela has OIL! That's why they are being singled out n/t  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:43 PM   #135 
              - Exactly!  SOS   Aug-15-09 06:15 PM   #193 
  - He should keep the golf courses open  AlphaCentauri   Aug-12-09 10:13 AM   #39 
  - You know, I like that. Let people mingle, relax, have a picnic.  bemildred   Aug-12-09 10:28 AM   #46 
  - There is nothing wrong with this.  David__77   Aug-12-09 10:23 AM   #42 
  - Tennis, Fencing, Wrestling, etc...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:26 AM   #45 
     - I don't want to "start" anywhere.  David__77   Aug-12-09 11:03 AM   #47 
     - Most Venezuelans probably agree with Chavez'  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 07:04 PM   #119 
        - Feel free to post links to Venezuelans links toward golf. nt  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:10 PM   #142 
           - What a powerful and devastating response.  ronnie624   Aug-13-09 12:25 AM   #149 
              - That is not a link or evidence nt.  WriteDown   Aug-13-09 07:37 AM   #155 
  - Cadres or caddies? Island (Cuba) looks to golf to drive its tourist economy  Bacchus39   Aug-12-09 11:55 AM   #50 
  - When Chavez has removed corruption from his own government, cleaned house in  LuckyLib   Aug-12-09 12:11 PM   #54 
  - Oh Uncle Hugo. What will you declare to be "bourgeois" next?  proteus_lives   Aug-12-09 12:34 PM   #55 
  - Wall Street and their political whores in Congress?  Better Believe It   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #64 
  - Thankfully, there is a healthy contingent here on DU fighting hard...  Flaneur   Aug-12-09 01:06 PM   #58 
  - If Venezuela had a RW Supreme Court like the US ..  Mika   Aug-12-09 01:15 PM   #61 
  - That was the left-wing of the court that approved that....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #65 
  - What is he going  Libertas1776   Aug-12-09 01:23 PM   #67 
  - People drop dead from a long walk at a leisurely pace?  Mika   Aug-12-09 01:33 PM   #68 
  - You're able to cycle over 100 miles every Saturday?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:38 PM   #71 
     - Yep. No trick. Roll out at about 6am, return at about 10:45am.  Mika   Aug-12-09 01:45 PM   #74 
        - So you maintain speeds of about 25mph for over 4 hours?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:53 PM   #75 
           - On a large group ride its really not that hard to do.  Mika   Aug-12-09 07:36 PM   #126 
  - As I posted up thread, it's for affordable housing. n /t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 02:57 PM   #79 
  - Meaningless reform  MellowDem   Aug-12-09 01:39 PM   #72 
  - Barbarian! n/t  24601   Aug-12-09 01:41 PM   #73 
  - Golf courses and cemetaries are the two biggests wastes of prime real estate.  AngryAmish   Aug-12-09 02:27 PM   #77 
  - A BOURGEOIS SPORT??  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 03:04 PM   #80 
  - It's more like a pastime. A very bourgeois pastime.  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 03:06 PM   #81 
  - DU'ers already waged the Caracas Country Club wars in 2006:  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 04:07 PM   #93 
  - In 2006 the mayor of Caracas had to cancel a trip to London due to a mudslide on the mountains  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 04:25 PM   #95 
  - I tend to respect what Chavez tries to do for the poor BUT  ironrooster   Aug-12-09 04:30 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-09 04:55 PM   #99 
  - What do you mean "tries"?  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 04:59 PM   #101 
     - We've already seen what the oligarchy can do for the poor there:  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 05:25 PM   #105 
        - The compradors never did shit when they had 100% political power  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 05:38 PM   #110 
           - They'd do any and everything including murder to get that power back.  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 05:49 PM   #112 
  - We've already been there, thanks: "Caracas: 5000 houses can fit into a single golf course"  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 04:50 PM   #97 
  - holy shit how silly... what's next? Will you gripe about the food he eats too?  fascisthunter   Aug-12-09 05:31 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-09 06:35 PM   #117 
  - Maybe you could offer your services as a speech writer  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 07:20 PM   #121 
     - "The ends never justify the means. So let us quibble over the means and totally overlook the ends."  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 07:26 PM   #124 
     - "Even the most noble ends do not justify any means" - George W. Bush  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 07:29 PM   #125 
     - When did I concede land is needed?  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-12-09 07:53 PM   #127 
        - I see. So you haven't even worked your way that far yet. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:29 PM   #130 
  - *face palm*  Regret My New Name   Aug-12-09 10:53 PM   #143 
  - Quick thoughts... What if Obama....  Regret My New Name   Aug-12-09 11:06 PM   #145 
     - If Obama "pulled" something like building affordable housing?  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 12:42 AM   #150 
     - Oh come on...  Regret My New Name   Aug-13-09 12:58 AM   #152 
        - First you have to remember that the writer of this piece goes out of his way  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 01:44 AM   #154 
        - Maybe not, but he did it regardless.  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 03:05 PM   #162 
           - No, I don't agree that the basic facts are presented in this hit piece.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 04:42 PM   #163 
        - We roundly rejected Kelo here...by a large, large margin  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 02:58 PM   #161 
           - Ridiculous. Land is appropriated here for the public good all the time.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 04:43 PM   #164 
              - Examples, please, of "all the time"  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 05:26 PM   #166 
                 - When I was a little girl, there was no 280 freeway going from San Francisco  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 05:37 PM   #167 
                    - You just said "bought"  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 05:42 PM   #168 
                       - Wrong. When the government expropriates a property  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 05:45 PM   #170 
                          - When OUR government does, yes.  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 05:51 PM   #171 
                             - Are you kidding? Of course they buy everything.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:00 PM   #172 
                                - Thanks for proving my point yet again, but you've yet to address the Chavez issue  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 06:15 PM   #174 
                                   - I gave you three links to government negotiations of nationalized property.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:21 PM   #175 
                                      - Doesn't look like money changed hands in any case, but at least you tried  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 06:26 PM   #176 
                                         - What utter crap. Or, I should say, the usual. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:27 PM   #177 
                                            - Eh. I've been respectful of you, especially since it occurred to me  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 06:31 PM   #178 
                                            - You sound like the freepers who, when confronted with dinosaur bones,  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:36 PM   #179 
                                            - Here is an interesting item from early 2007:  ronnie624   Aug-15-09 12:49 AM   #181 
                                               - Good reminder. I've seen similar articles, as well. They've always tended to observe  Judi Lynn   Aug-15-09 02:17 AM   #182 
     - Well, for one thing, you are assuming that the  sabrina 1   Aug-13-09 12:58 AM   #151 
  - 110% agree with Chavez on this one  JCMach1   Aug-12-09 11:04 PM   #144 
  - Damn -tooting they should be closed  burrowowl   Aug-12-09 11:54 PM   #147 
  - This is so dumb.  chrisa   Aug-13-09 07:43 AM   #156 
  - Boy, your buttons sure get pushed easily. Romero must pray for readers like you,  Peace Patriot   Aug-13-09 12:01 PM   #158 
  - "At least here it isn't."  JVS   Aug-13-09 12:06 PM   #159 
  - When you see articles like this better written for Freeper land use this  RedCloud   Aug-13-09 02:00 PM   #160 
  - "Country Clubs and cemeteries are the biggest waste of prime real estate."  MrSlayer   Aug-13-09 05:42 PM   #169 
  - Nice to see Hugo Chavez and George Carlin see eye to eye on this issue.  robertpaulsen   Aug-13-09 06:09 PM   #173 
  - I used to feel that way....  scot   Aug-13-09 10:26 PM   #180 
  - Honestly I can't assess this without knowing more about Venezuela's economy and resources  Hippo_Tron   Aug-15-09 02:47 AM   #183 
  - Venezuela imports 2/3's of its food. It is responsible for 25% of all United States grain exports  ohio2007   Aug-15-09 07:59 AM   #185 
     - Most homeless people I know would like to have a place to plant a garden. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-15-09 04:57 PM   #189 
  - Venezuelans protest beatings of journalists ( sports writers ? ..of course ! )  ohio2007   Aug-15-09 07:42 AM   #184 
     - You're posting a story that spins a universal education bill.  EFerrari   Aug-15-09 12:45 PM   #187 
 

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