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84. There are two, both located between Caracas and La Carlota.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 03:16 PM by Occulus
The northern one is the Vista desde el vila Country Club; the other is the Valle Arriba Golf Club.

Edit: there are three; the Lagunita Country Club is located to the southeast of Caracas proper.

Then there's this NYT article from 2006.

A tidbit:

Almost lost in the uproar was the housing crisis that led the mayor to rattle well-heeled Caraqueos in the first place. Official estimates suggest Venezuela needs 1.7 million new homes to meet low-income housing needs, even though 35,000 such units were built in the first half of the year.

The housing shortage has been decades in the making, created by mass migration to Caracas and other cities from the countryside and natural disasters, like mudslides and Hurricane Mitch in 1998, that left more than 400,000 people homeless and destroyed more than 60,000 homes. Rising prices for new homes, as Venezuelas economic growth has surged by 9 percent this year, have also put owning an apartment out of reach for many people.

Anemic efforts by private construction companies to build low-income housing and a lack of new homes to keep up with population growth in this country of 27 million people have worsened the problem.

And another:

Already, squatters occupy units in more than 140 buildings in Caracas, either illegally or with the approval of city officials. Mayor Barreto, who once pursued doctoral studies in sociology, has ordered more than a dozen takeovers of buildings, including a 96-unit residential complex in El Rosal, a district with soaring postmodern office towers and the Caracas stock exchange.

Mr. Barreto made apartments in the building available to families of firefighters who were homeless or had to commute from far-flung areas to Caracas to work. The firefighters now live in 46 of the buildings one- and two-bedroom apartments.

From the sound of the OP, the housing problem in Venezuela hasn't improved much. They need far more space than tearing down a dinky little stadium can possibly provide (and according to the views on Google Earth, those stadiums are a mere fraction of the size of the golf courses).
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  -Chvez Loyalists Push to Close Golf Courses WriteDown  Aug-12-09 07:39 AM   #0 
  - Typical authoritarian BS.  Odin2005   Aug-12-09 08:03 AM   #1 
  - +1  GodlessBiker   Aug-12-09 08:11 AM   #4 
  - Chavez was one of the first goverments in South America  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:35 AM   #27 
  - Golf is bourgeois???  Spouting Horn   Aug-12-09 05:03 PM   #103 
  - The Chavez government proposed equal rights for women and gays, as an amendment  Peace Patriot   Aug-12-09 06:10 PM   #116 
  - Oops, another Chavez myth easily shot down.  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:39 PM   #133 
  - I guess he doesn't  Yupster   Aug-15-09 11:28 AM   #186 
     - Our State Department objected to this "assault" on golf but didn't say  EFerrari   Aug-15-09 05:30 PM   #191 
  - Golf courses are a waste of resources.  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:05 AM   #2 
  - But baseball diamonds or football fields aren't?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:15 AM   #5 
  - Baseball diamonds and football fields  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:21 AM   #6 
     - And golf courses do?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:27 AM   #8 
     - There is a golf course in Death Valley.  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:36 AM   #9 
     - Southern California is built in a desert....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:39 AM   #10 
        - What the fuck does someone who lives in Texas of all places know about California?  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-13-09 04:58 PM   #165 
     - Right. So tearing down a natural habitat  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:47 AM   #12 
     - Better than a baseball diamond, tennis court, soccer field....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 08:50 AM   #13 
     - It's like cutting down some trees to build a park for kids to play.  GodlessBiker   Aug-12-09 08:55 AM   #15 
        - Ask the animals.  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 08:58 AM   #16 
           - Asking is easy; getting a response is more difficult.  GodlessBiker   Aug-12-09 09:35 AM   #26 
           - I just did. They said they'd discuss it after the turn.  Beer on a stick   Aug-12-09 09:45 PM   #136 
     - Golf is not a big mass sport in Venezuela or most other poorer nations.  Better Believe It   Aug-12-09 01:19 PM   #63 
     - beg to differ---they might not be built in wilderness areas, but they destroy habitat  wordpix   Aug-12-09 09:33 PM   #131 
  - Golf courses add so much to a development. It's like  laureloak   Aug-12-09 08:45 AM   #11 
  - Puritanical thinking.  Odin2005   Aug-12-09 08:54 AM   #14 
  - You're funny!  OnyxCollie   Aug-12-09 09:02 AM   #18 
  - Amen  XemaSab   Aug-12-09 09:31 AM   #23 
  - My dad is a golf course superintendent.  Akoto   Aug-12-09 03:11 PM   #83 
  - So are soccer fields.  mamaleah   Aug-12-09 03:54 PM   #89 
  - So you'd tear them down, then. n/t  cigsandcoffee   Aug-12-09 05:56 PM   #114 
  - I associate golf with Bush & wealthy people who don't give a damn  KakistocracyHater   Aug-12-09 07:21 PM   #122 
  - Guess who was pretzeldent of the USGA?  Octafish   Aug-15-09 05:18 PM   #190 
  - The difference in golf and government is that in golf you can't improve your lie.  NJGeek   Aug-12-09 09:50 PM   #138 
  - I like golf, especially watching the pro's on Sunday afternoon, but it is  harun   Aug-12-09 08:10 AM   #3 
  - How utterly communist.  laureloak   Aug-12-09 01:34 PM   #69 
  - how about the "greens fees" go to greening the cities, esp. in low income neighborhoods?  wordpix   Aug-12-09 09:38 PM   #132 
     - They already do, for municiple courses.  Beer on a stick   Aug-12-09 09:46 PM   #137 
  - off the rails  paulk   Aug-12-09 08:23 AM   #7 
  - wow  timo   Aug-12-09 08:59 AM   #17 
  - Typical authoritarian BS  endarkenment   Aug-12-09 09:03 AM   #19 
  - But, at least they can golf...nt  Lagomorph   Aug-12-09 05:38 PM   #109 
  - Hmmm, I played on the Tegucigalpa Country Club Golf Course. Interesting experience.  SharonAnn   Aug-15-09 03:07 PM   #188 
  - Simon Romero of the NYT won't report on that  SOS   Aug-15-09 05:53 PM   #192 
  - Chavez is a hopeless idiot.  kegler14   Aug-12-09 09:10 AM   #20 
  - You're entitled to your opinion, which amounts to nothing  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 04:52 PM   #98 
     - I agree  ipaint   Aug-12-09 05:54 PM   #113 
     - I wish I could recommend your comment. You've nailed it!  Peace Patriot   Aug-12-09 06:52 PM   #118 
     - People buy into the them v. us story and don't notice that all the LatAm progressives  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 07:13 PM   #120 
     - Excellent comment, that is my fear as well.  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:22 PM   #128 
     - bravo!  wordpix   Aug-12-09 09:39 PM   #134 
     - Hell, yeah.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 11:44 PM   #146 
  - Well, damn, now my whole morning is ruined. nt  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:23 AM   #21 
  - Sorry about that. nt.  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:23 AM   #22 
     - No problem, happens all the time when I come here.  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:41 AM   #30 
  - Freedom!  Renew Deal   Aug-12-09 09:32 AM   #24 
  - Another gem from Simon Romoero. LOL!  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:34 AM   #25 
  - Yep...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:38 AM   #28 
  - That's exactly the point. The government wants to get people out of  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:41 AM   #29 
     - No, no, freedom to golf is a human rights issue, everybody knows that. nt  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:42 AM   #31 
     - Who are these people who believe this crap  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:44 AM   #32 
        - "A man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."  bemildred   Aug-12-09 09:49 AM   #33 
     - Easiest way...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:52 AM   #34 
        - There are all kinds of reasons why they might not want to put  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:04 AM   #35 
           - In that case...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:08 AM   #37 
           - That's right. And if you think about it, poor people wind up  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:20 AM   #40 
              - If the gov't really wanted to do it..  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:24 AM   #43 
                 - in Venezuela it does it seems How long has Chavez been president??  Bacchus39   Aug-12-09 11:49 AM   #48 
                 - They are doing it. They've cut the backlog about in half. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 03:08 PM   #82 
                 - "...other sites in Caracas"? When the mayor of Caracas proposed  Peace Patriot   Aug-12-09 07:26 PM   #123 
           - Of course  Spouting Horn   Aug-12-09 04:57 PM   #100 
              - Lower yourself to getting a sense of what they're dealing with.  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 05:02 PM   #102 
              - The government has converted all kinds of sites into housing  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 05:27 PM   #106 
  - Despite the glaring bias,  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 11:55 AM   #49 
  - Yup, good point, ronnie24! Chavez is merely making an argument for something  Peace Patriot   Aug-13-09 11:47 AM   #157 
  - He's just doing it for publicity. Meanwhile it's fine dining  laureloak   Aug-12-09 01:35 PM   #70 
  - The Venezuelan government has worked hard on affordable housing  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 02:51 PM   #78 
     - Glad you agree. Chavez is a communist dictator creep.  laureloak   Aug-12-09 03:30 PM   #86 
     - The people, whose lives have improved by almost every measure  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 03:33 PM   #87 
     - those people do not count  fascisthunter   Aug-12-09 05:33 PM   #108 
     - Spoken without a shred of evidence other than  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:28 PM   #129 
     - 180,000,000 ?  RantinRavin   Aug-12-09 03:53 PM   #88 
        - Typo: Shortfall is 1.8 million. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 03:58 PM   #91 
  - Yep, I still would like to know if he's on the contact list  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 05:07 PM   #104 
     - Propaganda works. Something like a third of the posters to this thread  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 05:39 PM   #111 
  - Chavez could declare "It is the duty of every Venezuelan to learn to play the piano!"  slackmaster   Aug-12-09 10:05 AM   #36 
  - He would be promoting....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:09 AM   #38 
  - You read this stuff from Romero that turns out to be bs every time  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:23 AM   #41 
  - Every time you strip them down naked...  LanternWaste   Aug-12-09 02:03 PM   #76 
  - What's wrong with that, so long as there's no law to that effect?  David__77   Aug-12-09 10:24 AM   #44 
  - actually, funny enough  northzax   Aug-12-09 11:58 AM   #51 
  - But he hasn't done that.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 12:06 PM   #52 
     - Yep, just see the Kelo decision for that. nt.  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 12:10 PM   #53 
        - Does your reference somehow support your 'position', whatever that may be?  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 01:01 PM   #56 
           - Considering that I do not remember any golf courses...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:02 PM   #57 
           - Your perceptions prove nothing.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 01:13 PM   #59 
           - By that logic...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:14 PM   #60 
              - Congo? I could have sworn we were discussing Venezuela.  ronnie624   Aug-12-09 01:18 PM   #62 
              - We can't discuss anything...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #66 
              - Try working on reducing sexual violence in your own country  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 06:06 PM   #115 
           - There are two, both located between Caracas and La Carlota.  Occulus   Aug-12-09 03:12 PM   #84 
              - The answer is far more simple...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 03:20 PM   #85 
                 - A certain percentage of people already have a huge shantytown west of El Algodona  Occulus   Aug-12-09 03:58 PM   #90 
                 - Much, but not nearly all....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 04:01 PM   #92 
                    - What a horrid attitude to have toward the indigent and the deceased.  Occulus   Aug-12-09 04:16 PM   #94 
                       - Do you really think cemetarys that are used by....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:53 PM   #140 
                 - Wow! And you call Chavez an 'authoritarian'??  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:51 PM   #139 
                    - There are no "sacred" resting places....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 09:55 PM   #141 
                    - He's not kidding.  ronnie624   Aug-13-09 12:07 AM   #148 
                       - I see that you are right. How shocking to find such  sabrina 1   Aug-13-09 01:07 AM   #153 
           - And Venezuela has OIL! That's why they are being singled out n/t  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 09:43 PM   #135 
              - Exactly!  SOS   Aug-15-09 06:15 PM   #193 
  - He should keep the golf courses open  AlphaCentauri   Aug-12-09 10:13 AM   #39 
  - You know, I like that. Let people mingle, relax, have a picnic.  bemildred   Aug-12-09 10:28 AM   #46 
  - There is nothing wrong with this.  David__77   Aug-12-09 10:23 AM   #42 
  - Tennis, Fencing, Wrestling, etc...  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:26 AM   #45 
     - I don't want to "start" anywhere.  David__77   Aug-12-09 11:03 AM   #47 
     - Most Venezuelans probably agree with Chavez'  sabrina 1   Aug-12-09 07:04 PM   #119 
        - Feel free to post links to Venezuelans links toward golf. nt  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 10:10 PM   #142 
           - What a powerful and devastating response.  ronnie624   Aug-13-09 12:25 AM   #149 
              - That is not a link or evidence nt.  WriteDown   Aug-13-09 07:37 AM   #155 
  - Cadres or caddies? Island (Cuba) looks to golf to drive its tourist economy  Bacchus39   Aug-12-09 11:55 AM   #50 
  - When Chavez has removed corruption from his own government, cleaned house in  LuckyLib   Aug-12-09 12:11 PM   #54 
  - Oh Uncle Hugo. What will you declare to be "bourgeois" next?  proteus_lives   Aug-12-09 12:34 PM   #55 
  - Wall Street and their political whores in Congress?  Better Believe It   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #64 
  - Thankfully, there is a healthy contingent here on DU fighting hard...  Flaneur   Aug-12-09 01:06 PM   #58 
  - If Venezuela had a RW Supreme Court like the US ..  Mika   Aug-12-09 01:15 PM   #61 
  - That was the left-wing of the court that approved that....  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #65 
  - What is he going  Libertas1776   Aug-12-09 01:23 PM   #67 
  - People drop dead from a long walk at a leisurely pace?  Mika   Aug-12-09 01:33 PM   #68 
  - You're able to cycle over 100 miles every Saturday?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:38 PM   #71 
     - Yep. No trick. Roll out at about 6am, return at about 10:45am.  Mika   Aug-12-09 01:45 PM   #74 
        - So you maintain speeds of about 25mph for over 4 hours?  WriteDown   Aug-12-09 01:53 PM   #75 
           - On a large group ride its really not that hard to do.  Mika   Aug-12-09 07:36 PM   #126 
  - As I posted up thread, it's for affordable housing. n /t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 02:57 PM   #79 
  - Meaningless reform  MellowDem   Aug-12-09 01:39 PM   #72 
  - Barbarian! n/t  24601   Aug-12-09 01:41 PM   #73 
  - Golf courses and cemetaries are the two biggests wastes of prime real estate.  AngryAmish   Aug-12-09 02:27 PM   #77 
  - A BOURGEOIS SPORT??  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 03:04 PM   #80 
  - It's more like a pastime. A very bourgeois pastime.  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 03:06 PM   #81 
  - DU'ers already waged the Caracas Country Club wars in 2006:  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 04:07 PM   #93 
  - In 2006 the mayor of Caracas had to cancel a trip to London due to a mudslide on the mountains  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 04:25 PM   #95 
  - I tend to respect what Chavez tries to do for the poor BUT  ironrooster   Aug-12-09 04:30 PM   #96 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-09 04:55 PM   #99 
  - What do you mean "tries"?  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 04:59 PM   #101 
     - We've already seen what the oligarchy can do for the poor there:  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 05:25 PM   #105 
        - The compradors never did shit when they had 100% political power  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 05:38 PM   #110 
           - They'd do any and everything including murder to get that power back.  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 05:49 PM   #112 
  - We've already been there, thanks: "Caracas: 5000 houses can fit into a single golf course"  Judi Lynn   Aug-12-09 04:50 PM   #97 
  - holy shit how silly... what's next? Will you gripe about the food he eats too?  fascisthunter   Aug-12-09 05:31 PM   #107 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-09 06:35 PM   #117 
  - Maybe you could offer your services as a speech writer  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 07:20 PM   #121 
     - "The ends never justify the means. So let us quibble over the means and totally overlook the ends."  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 07:26 PM   #124 
     - "Even the most noble ends do not justify any means" - George W. Bush  BOG PERSON   Aug-12-09 07:29 PM   #125 
     - When did I concede land is needed?  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-12-09 07:53 PM   #127 
        - I see. So you haven't even worked your way that far yet. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:29 PM   #130 
  - *face palm*  Regret My New Name   Aug-12-09 10:53 PM   #143 
  - Quick thoughts... What if Obama....  Regret My New Name   Aug-12-09 11:06 PM   #145 
     - If Obama "pulled" something like building affordable housing?  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 12:42 AM   #150 
     - Oh come on...  Regret My New Name   Aug-13-09 12:58 AM   #152 
        - First you have to remember that the writer of this piece goes out of his way  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 01:44 AM   #154 
        - Maybe not, but he did it regardless.  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 03:05 PM   #162 
           - No, I don't agree that the basic facts are presented in this hit piece.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 04:42 PM   #163 
        - We roundly rejected Kelo a large, large margin  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 02:58 PM   #161 
           - Ridiculous. Land is appropriated here for the public good all the time.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 04:43 PM   #164 
              - Examples, please, of "all the time"  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 05:26 PM   #166 
                 - When I was a little girl, there was no 280 freeway going from San Francisco  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 05:37 PM   #167 
                    - You just said "bought"  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 05:42 PM   #168 
                       - Wrong. When the government expropriates a property  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 05:45 PM   #170 
                          - When OUR government does, yes.  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 05:51 PM   #171 
                             - Are you kidding? Of course they buy everything.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:00 PM   #172 
                                - Thanks for proving my point yet again, but you've yet to address the Chavez issue  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 06:15 PM   #174 
                                   - I gave you three links to government negotiations of nationalized property.  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:21 PM   #175 
                                      - Doesn't look like money changed hands in any case, but at least you tried  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 06:26 PM   #176 
                                         - What utter crap. Or, I should say, the usual. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:27 PM   #177 
                                            - Eh. I've been respectful of you, especially since it occurred to me  Dreamer Tatum   Aug-13-09 06:31 PM   #178 
                                            - You sound like the freepers who, when confronted with dinosaur bones,  EFerrari   Aug-13-09 06:36 PM   #179 
                                            - Here is an interesting item from early 2007:  ronnie624   Aug-15-09 12:49 AM   #181 
                                               - Good reminder. I've seen similar articles, as well. They've always tended to observe  Judi Lynn   Aug-15-09 02:17 AM   #182 
     - Well, for one thing, you are assuming that the  sabrina 1   Aug-13-09 12:58 AM   #151 
  - 110% agree with Chavez on this one  JCMach1   Aug-12-09 11:04 PM   #144 
  - Damn -tooting they should be closed  burrowowl   Aug-12-09 11:54 PM   #147 
  - This is so dumb.  chrisa   Aug-13-09 07:43 AM   #156 
  - Boy, your buttons sure get pushed easily. Romero must pray for readers like you,  Peace Patriot   Aug-13-09 12:01 PM   #158 
  - "At least here it isn't."  JVS   Aug-13-09 12:06 PM   #159 
  - When you see articles like this better written for Freeper land use this  RedCloud   Aug-13-09 02:00 PM   #160 
  - "Country Clubs and cemeteries are the biggest waste of prime real estate."  MrSlayer   Aug-13-09 05:42 PM   #169 
  - Nice to see Hugo Chavez and George Carlin see eye to eye on this issue.  robertpaulsen   Aug-13-09 06:09 PM   #173 
  - I used to feel that way....  scot   Aug-13-09 10:26 PM   #180 
  - Honestly I can't assess this without knowing more about Venezuela's economy and resources  Hippo_Tron   Aug-15-09 02:47 AM   #183 
  - Venezuela imports 2/3's of its food. It is responsible for 25% of all United States grain exports  ohio2007   Aug-15-09 07:59 AM   #185 
     - Most homeless people I know would like to have a place to plant a garden. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-15-09 04:57 PM   #189 
  - Venezuelans protest beatings of journalists ( sports writers ? ..of course ! )  ohio2007   Aug-15-09 07:42 AM   #184 
     - You're posting a story that spins a universal education bill.  EFerrari   Aug-15-09 12:45 PM   #187 

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