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Thu Jul-30-09 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #39 |
| 45. You're saying that the police should have exercised discretion. |
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One of the major complaints over the years has been that the police exercise discretion, especially when it comes to race.
The bottom line is that Tuma provoked the police and got his name in the paper, while he and he friends were supposed on their way to Cobalt which is no way on a straight line to where they were, so we can only assume that he did this for the reaction he got, in which case he should be happy. He got what he wanted.
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| -Disorderly Conduct: Conversation About Gates Arrest Precedes Arrest |
BlueJessamine |
Jul-30-09 10:54 AM |
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this is very different from the Gates case |
Enrique |
Jul-30-09 11:00 AM |
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How utterly charming. |
dogtag |
Jul-30-09 11:06 AM |
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You forgot the sarcas, tag, right? |
Threedifferentones |
Jul-30-09 04:29 PM |
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I agree that it's very different, though I disagree that Tuma and Gates have different agenda. |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 01:13 PM |
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Gates had no agenda, period. And pissing off a cop is not against the law. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:16 PM |
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All cops-n-training should have a "psychological hardening" training |
cosmicone |
Jul-30-09 08:49 PM |
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No - it would only result in robots |
The abyss |
Jul-30-09 10:28 PM |
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Gates' agenda was to go to bed after a long flight. |
EFerrari |
Jul-30-09 04:42 PM |
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+1. But, whatever happened to freedom of speech? Since when is chanting in public against the law? |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:13 PM |
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It is pride elevated to hubris. But it is unwise to taunt anyone who holds power over you. |
sharesunited |
Jul-30-09 11:02 AM |
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I thought We the People... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Jul-30-09 11:05 AM |
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Absolutely! But you want sympathy when police persecute you. |
sharesunited |
Jul-30-09 11:09 AM |
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As the Gates brouhaha shows clearly.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-30-09 12:14 PM |
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+1 Just like the birthers will always have more questions, no matter who shows what to them. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 05:14 PM |
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Anyone who DOES say that is a piece of shit, anyhow. |
Jim Sagle |
Jul-30-09 09:40 PM |
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No. What you want is freedom from persecution by the police. Right is right and wrong |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:51 PM |
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True, but lack of wisdom is not a crime, either. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:16 PM |
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I agree that this arrest was "stupid." But, Tuma isn't very bright, either. |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 11:03 AM |
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Not very bright? |
SkyDaddy7 |
Jul-30-09 11:08 AM |
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+1 |
Doremus |
Jul-30-09 11:24 AM |
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I guess you didn't read my whole post. |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 11:43 AM |
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If anybody gives up their rights, they give them up for all. n/t |
Downwinder |
Jul-30-09 12:00 PM |
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Whatever. |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 12:15 PM |
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US troops take an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-30-09 04:00 PM |
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Yeah, I'm suggesting that. |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 04:09 PM |
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Good, that's what I thought.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-30-09 04:14 PM |
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Good Gawd Almighty. Did you not see the sarcasm smiley? |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 08:13 PM |
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Yes, you are suggesting exactly that. You just don't get that you are. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:50 PM |
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No. I'm not. You just don't get that I'm not. |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 08:20 PM |
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Actually, you did suggest that he should have not have opened his mouth in the presence of cops. If |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:21 PM |
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Free speech |
rateyes |
Jul-30-09 08:19 PM |
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My bad... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Jul-30-09 02:21 PM |
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Exercising those pesky 1st Ammendment rights? Horrible! |
Ignis |
Jul-30-09 11:44 AM |
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There is a huge difference between Gates and Tuma |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 01:05 PM |
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My entire point is... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Jul-30-09 02:37 PM |
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The fight to "observe" predates gays by a long shot. |
Skipperoo |
Jul-30-09 03:41 PM |
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I didn't say they invented it, I said they fought for it. |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 07:39 PM |
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Dup. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:25 PM |
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Gates did not behave childishly and people do have a right to taunt |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:27 PM |
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But, if a cop treats you like shit during a traffic stop, or whatever, |
Threedifferentones |
Jul-30-09 04:40 PM |
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I am suspicious of police and for limiting of their power, but |
mule_train |
Jul-30-09 11:21 AM |
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And don't forget, keep your hair short! |
L. Coyote |
Jul-30-09 12:52 PM |
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If speech makes a cop feel the situation is not in his control, that is his problem. A poster |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:33 PM |
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my comments only applied to people who just want the cop to go away |
mule_train |
Jul-31-09 10:17 AM |
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try chanting 'i hate lawyers' while pepin is speaking in court |
mule_train |
Jul-30-09 12:05 PM |
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Do you know the difference between a street and a courtroom? |
CBGLuthier |
Jul-30-09 12:38 PM |
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Apples and oranges. Chanting in court disrupts the proceedings because the judge, witnesses, etc. . |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:36 PM |
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Gulag DC |
nbcouch |
Jul-30-09 12:35 PM |
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Change the players. |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 01:12 PM |
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I'm not particularly interested |
nbcouch |
Jul-30-09 01:24 PM |
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Then you aren't really interested in reason. |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 01:40 PM |
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Of course I am |
nbcouch |
Jul-30-09 01:54 PM |
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But that is the function of the hypothetical in my post. What Tuma did, would be dangerous .... |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 02:09 PM |
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If a frog had wings |
nbcouch |
Jul-30-09 04:08 PM |
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You're saying that the police should have exercised discretion. |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 04:18 PM |
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No, I'm not |
nbcouch |
Jul-30-09 04:35 PM |
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Baloney. Dealing with what actually happened, rather than with some totally different |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 05:02 PM |
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Err.. this is U Street |
Recursion |
Jul-30-09 02:12 PM |
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That's what I thought. But I guess if you're from Great Falls, it's "hip" |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 02:27 PM |
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Getting arrested for taunting officers right next to Ben's Chili Bowl |
Recursion |
Jul-30-09 02:41 PM |
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How about really changing the players... |
Skipperoo |
Jul-30-09 03:46 PM |
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That's way different. Back to your kitchen woman!!! |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 03:49 PM |
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Excellent point. |
redqueen |
Jul-30-09 04:04 PM |
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You're right. It's not the same thing at all. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:49 PM |
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Many people who post here regularly are not Democrats, let along Progressives. They're just |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 04:39 PM |
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Quite the dumbass. |
proteus_lives |
Jul-30-09 03:51 PM |
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Probably to win a large settlement in court.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-30-09 04:01 PM |
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I wish I was the judge. I'd toss his case because his name is Pepin. |
imdjh |
Jul-30-09 04:21 PM |
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I find your attitude completely unsurprising.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-30-09 04:30 PM |
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Dupe, self delete.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-30-09 04:02 PM |
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Gee, maybe he believes the Constitution? Was he dumb, or was he brave? |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 05:05 PM |
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The D.C. cops were not worried about disturbing the peace. This was cop macho. |
No Elephants |
Jul-30-09 06:04 PM |
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Recommend |
The abyss |
Jul-30-09 07:58 PM |
#66 |
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