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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 08:05 PM
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76. Yes, there will...
...and, if you are employed, there will be no requirement for your employer to provide coverage for you. It's "pay whatever the insurance companies want out of your own pocket, or get hit with tax penalties for the 'privilege' of having no health coverage."

In other words, it's the worst of all possible worlds. :-(
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  -AP Sources: Senate group omitting Dem health goals David Zephyr  Jul-27-09 05:19 PM   #0 
  - without a public option,  DesertFlower   Jul-27-09 05:20 PM   #1 
  - Worse. There is mandatory insurance--loss of freedom--not for the common good, but  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:35 PM   #130 
  - What The F*ck!  Yes We Did   Jul-27-09 05:45 PM   #2 
  - If an eviscerated health care bill passes, you may want to consider  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:38 PM   #131 
  - Without a public option, will there still be a mandate  stranger81   Jul-27-09 05:52 PM   #3 
  - Yes, there will...  regnaD kciN   Jul-27-09 08:05 PM   #76 
  - This end result will be some weak piece of crap like this...  Iowa   Jul-27-09 06:13 PM   #4 
  - I called and sent a letter.  alfredo   Jul-27-09 06:26 PM   #5 
  - They're playing with fire. Democrats are in imminent danger of losing their base  Zorra   Jul-27-09 06:39 PM   #6 
  - Agree....they lose their base...  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:50 PM   #68 
  - Whatever the Republicans did to Bunning, the Democrats should do to the blue dogs.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:09 PM   #128 
  - March on Washington for Health Care Reform  John K   Jul-27-09 06:45 PM   #7 
  - I'll march with you. This has got to happen this time.  bear425   Jul-27-09 07:00 PM   #10 
  - There were doctors and nurses who marched on Congress...but the MSM didn't report it...  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:52 PM   #69 
  - There is a DC march for single payer planned for this Thurs. (7/30) n/t  clear eye   Jul-27-09 08:14 PM   #81 
     - how long has that been planned, and why haven't they gotten the word out better?  dysfunctional press   Jul-27-09 11:21 PM   #91 
        - It went out on the email lists around the end of last month.  clear eye   Jul-28-09 08:41 AM   #118 
           - how many people are expected...?  dysfunctional press   Jul-28-09 09:18 AM   #119 
              - Sorry, I have no idea. Ask Healthcare-NOW!  clear eye   Jul-28-09 10:37 AM   #122 
  - I hope they don't plan on getting re-elected.  bemildred   Jul-27-09 06:46 PM   #8 
  - Maybe the money was a bigger lure than even their poltical office.  David Zephyr   Jul-27-09 07:24 PM   #13 
  - Big money...and job offers...to become another lobbyist on a corporate bankroll.  Selatius   Jul-27-09 07:37 PM   #14 
  - In the House they WILL be Re-Elected. With Big Pharma Money...that's what it's all about..n/t  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:53 PM   #70 
  - They didn't do great after "hillarycare" failed, did they?  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:49 PM   #134 
  - Forcing people to buy anything from a private company is fascist economics.  New Dawn   Jul-27-09 06:50 PM   #9 
  - Like utilities  clear eye   Jul-27-09 08:18 PM   #82 
  - We need to get rid of the conservatives in our party nt  Thickasabrick   Jul-27-09 07:11 PM   #11 
  - Liberals are a dying breed. Literally, sadly. The Don't Trust Anyone Over Thirty  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 07:02 PM   #138 
  - Howard Dean For President  MannyGoldstein   Jul-27-09 07:11 PM   #12 
  - Agree...Obama's Presidency for Dems is at risk if he doesn't STAND UP AND FIGHT!  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:44 PM   #15 
  - Exactly.  David Zephyr   Jul-28-09 01:18 AM   #93 
  - Senate Finance Committee Dropping Dem Health Goals  No Passaran   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #16 
  - If businesses are not required to provide Health Insurance and there  OHdem10   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #17 
  - FUCK BAUCUS!!!!  BlooInBloo   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #18 
  - I'm fed up  Third Doctor   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #19 
  - I saw that report, but I seriously doubt anyone knows what the final legislation actually contains.  George II   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #20 
  - Once again it's proven that there is no Santa Claus.  The_Casual_Observer   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #21 
  - that lobby is too strong I"m afraid  No Passaran   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #25 
  - Actually, the plan is worse than that...  regnaD kciN   Jul-27-09 08:08 PM   #77 
  - Don't blame it on the medical insurers or the hospitals. This is the  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:46 PM   #133 
  - Quel choc!  mbperrin   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #22 
  - ugh..  indimuse   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #23 
  - "according to numerous officials"  bluestateguy   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #24 
  - Even if true, all other committees are Dems goals? Baucus/GOP were never for public option, so  MarjorieG   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #26 
  - No surprise here! Baucus accepted millions in what amounts to bribes  emsimon33   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #27 
  - No public option is not reform and Baucus and any dems promoting this  MasonJar   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #28 
  - And never to rise again! Our hopes are  asjr   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #29 
  - Sure, That's going to happen. Tomorrow, probably.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 07:17 PM   #141 
  - WTF?  LiberalLovinLug   Jul-27-09 07:47 PM   #30 
  - Senate finance committee drops pubic option  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #31 
  - "public" , don't want jokers to start making fun of a serious matter  UndertheOcean   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #32 
  - What we will end up with for "Public" is "HMO Pools" and we know what that is...  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:54 PM   #71 
  - Big surprise. Now if only we pions will anty up more for the poor, poor executives.  MichiganVote   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #33 
  - oh no.  DesertFlower   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #34 
  - Oh yes there is. Mandatory private insurance.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #41 
     - i feel like crying. nt  DesertFlower   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #44 
     - Well...apparently they will give you some "kick back" on your taxes for it..  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:56 PM   #72 
     - And, if you don't buy it...  regnaD kciN   Jul-27-09 08:11 PM   #78 
        - it's their golden moment!  dana_b   Jul-27-09 08:36 PM   #84 
           - If the only thing that comes to his desk is this POS, I think he will sign it.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:53 PM   #135 
              - really?!  dana_b   Jul-28-09 06:57 PM   #137 
                 - Yes, that is really what I think. He has staked so much on "health care"  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 07:10 PM   #139 
  - Message I just sent to the White House  WatchWhatISay   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #35 
  - They know there will not be a "true champion of the working people" available in 2012.  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #38 
  - Obama will sell-out on health-care just like he has sold out on everything else...  Iowa   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #59 
     - go cry about it on Green underground  CTLawGuy   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #61 
  - Surprise, surprise, surprise..  Fumesucker   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #36 
  - Time for another press conference.  Skink   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #37 
  - Yes  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #39 
  - Here is a link to the story. I read it before coming back to DU.  Jazzgirl   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #40 
  - Here Is the AP Story Link  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #42 
  - It's dropping the requirement that employers provide coverage too!  Hello_Kitty   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #43 
  - The Lack of the Employer Bit Could Be A Good Thing if that Cord could be Cut Entirely  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #45 
     - I agree with you that insurance shouldn't be tied to employment.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #48 
     - Without "Portable/affordable" insurance...what do we have?  KoKo   Jul-27-09 07:58 PM   #73 
     - Uhm no  kenfrequed   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #52 
     - You have no idea what you are talking about  Sadie5   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #54 
     - Gompers (AFL) Spoke Like Bill Frist On Healthcare ...  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #65 
     - No.  Davis_X_Machina   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #56 
        - Thanks for the next chapter  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #67 
  - More reason to out Baucus from Finance Committee and put him to the same subcommittee  Hawkeye-X   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #46 
  - I rather suspect Baucus is far from the only one in government who is dirty with insurance  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 07:24 PM   #142 
  - They make there own choices.  RandomThoughts   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #47 
  - EMAIL YOUR SENATORS AND WHITEHOUSE.GOV!  No Elephants   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #49 
  - I hope they don't plan on getting re-elected. nt  bemildred   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #50 
  - Insurance companies and media are probably  RandomThoughts   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #55 
  - Any Democrat talking about going up for  madamesilverspurs   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #51 
  - He just ran in 2008, so he is not up until 2014  karynnj   Jul-27-09 08:34 PM   #83 
     - Erk, thanks.  madamesilverspurs   Jul-27-09 09:56 PM   #88 
        - Don't blame you in the least - I only know because I looked to see if he was up in 2010  karynnj   Jul-27-09 10:04 PM   #89 
           - Maybw we could set up a much-publicized fund to help candidates  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 08:00 PM   #145 
  - They just want to force us to buy private health insurance (i.e. fascist economics).  New Dawn   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #53 
  - Just fucking perfect  Libertas1776   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #57 
  - As much as I value the "pubic option". Don't panic.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #58 
  - I wouldn't be so sure...  Iowa   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #60 
  - We need to make sure this bill is DEFEATED in the Senate!!!  Faryn Balyncd   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #62 
  - The finance committee bill isn't worth supporting.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #64 
  - But, what is your understanding of the "Public Option" that will be offered?  KoKo   Jul-27-09 08:01 PM   #74 
     - The broad outlines are given in HR3200  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-27-09 11:04 PM   #90 
     - "Devil is in the details" is correct.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:43 PM   #132 
  - Here at DU we have our ideals, there on Washington Dems have their corporate payments.  DuaneBidoux   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #63 
  - Don't let it lead to a heart attack unless you have good medical insurance.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 07:30 PM   #143 
  - Are they trying to get the crabs out of the Senate?  meow2u3   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #66 
  - And In the Same AP Article ...  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 08:05 PM   #75 
  - They're supporting it b/c it doesn't allow Fed bargaining on drug prices.  clear eye   Jul-27-09 08:50 PM   #85 
     - Ahhh ... So Much For 'Free Trade'  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 09:40 PM   #87 
  - Take a deep breath and think  ramapo   Jul-27-09 08:11 PM   #79 
  - I understand what you say...some of it is better than NOTHING...BUT...this isn't what  KoKo   Jul-27-09 08:58 PM   #86 
  - do you have healthcare coverage? perhaps you can afford to wait.  dysfunctional press   Jul-27-09 11:23 PM   #92 
  - They are trying to play us.  Javaman   Jul-27-09 08:13 PM   #80 
  - perfect.  NoSheep   Jul-28-09 01:34 AM   #94 
  - I guess I shouldn't be surprised...  BradXXX   Jul-28-09 01:49 AM   #95 
  - Sold out once again. Fuck the traitor Dems, and their spineless enablers.  Frank Booth   Jul-28-09 02:04 AM   #96 
  - Senate Finance Committee Dropping Dem Health Goals (Public Option): AP  InfiniteThoughts   Jul-28-09 06:09 AM   #97 
  - Ohmigod. They are looking to cut Medicare, too.  Faygo Kid   Jul-28-09 06:09 AM   #98 
  - I thought we got a new president?  Skink   Jul-28-09 06:09 AM   #99 
  - We do. And just so you don't appear ignorant, this is a Senate Finance Committee bill....  Tarheel_Dem   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #112 
     - Amen!  Hulk   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #116 
  - Also dropping FSA to $2K & increasing fees on Medical Equipment  Kittycat   Jul-28-09 06:09 AM   #100 
  - perhaps they are keeping the drama in the mix or else it won't look like a hard-won fight?  tomm2thumbs   Jul-28-09 06:09 AM   #101 
  - i thought he answered that ...he has indicated that he will veto without using the words ...  InfiniteThoughts   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #107 
     - I don't see anything in the language in the article you linked that  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 07:52 PM   #144 
  - We need to call them and vote them out as they are not supporting the people and single payer.  bkkyosemite   Jul-28-09 06:09 AM   #102 
  - do both  Aragorn   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #110 
  - My God, the House bill is bad enough but I think this actually moves us backwards  dflprincess   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #103 
  - Fuck these assholes  AllentownJake   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #104 
  - Senate Dems have decided to throw the president under the bus  Doctor_J   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #105 
  - Are you venting, or do you think anything in your post has a realistic  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 08:12 PM   #146 
  - I think no legislation would be better than this POS.  IsItJustMe   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #106 
  - Unless you're one of the 49M without health care, or  Doctor_J   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #108 
  - How does this POS legislation do anything for them?  AllentownJake   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #115 
     - Please think  ramapo   Jul-28-09 09:21 AM   #120 
  - But, but, but it's BIPARTISAN! That makes it good, right?  neverforget   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #113 
  - That's why I wrote white house.gov a couple of days ago and asked for a veto.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 08:14 PM   #147 
  - well, Montanans can always vote Baucus out in 2014  Doctor_J   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #109 
  - Bipartisanship means never letting the Democrats get what they want.  neverforget   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #111 
  - FUCK YOU BAUCUS  Ed76638   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #114 
  - They want to support their insurance companies  farmboxer   Jul-28-09 06:10 AM   #117 
     - Insurance stocks rise as public option fades  SOS   Jul-28-09 06:53 PM   #136 
  - We need single payer not public option..  4dsc   Jul-28-09 09:57 AM   #121 
  - Please, if you can get off work Thurs., join the action in DC.  clear eye   Jul-28-09 10:41 AM   #123 
  - I just got a robot call from my union to support HR 3200 F*ck that!!  maryf   Jul-28-09 11:40 AM   #124 
  - Let Max know how you feel...  BlueIdaho   Jul-28-09 12:59 PM   #125 
  - Max Baucus (D-Insurance mafia and Big Pharma)  ProudDad   Jul-28-09 01:28 PM   #126 
  - I hope the Obama bashers on this board now realize who the real opponents are.  Zynx   Jul-28-09 01:30 PM   #127 
  - How about posting about the issue instead of posting about other posters?  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:14 PM   # 
  - Dupe.  No Elephants   Jul-28-09 06:14 PM   #129 
  - It worked for Bubba early on  Big_Mike   Jul-28-09 07:16 PM   #140 
 

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