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Mon Jul-27-09 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #56 |
| 67. Thanks for the next chapter |
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really - I didn't know the WWII part.
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| -AP Sources: Senate group omitting Dem health goals |
David Zephyr |
Jul-27-09 05:19 PM |
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without a public option, |
DesertFlower |
Jul-27-09 05:20 PM |
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Worse. There is mandatory insurance--loss of freedom--not for the common good, but |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:35 PM |
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What The F*ck! |
Yes We Did |
Jul-27-09 05:45 PM |
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If an eviscerated health care bill passes, you may want to consider |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:38 PM |
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Without a public option, will there still be a mandate |
stranger81 |
Jul-27-09 05:52 PM |
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Yes, there will... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-27-09 08:05 PM |
#76 |
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This end result will be some weak piece of crap like this... |
Iowa |
Jul-27-09 06:13 PM |
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I called and sent a letter. |
alfredo |
Jul-27-09 06:26 PM |
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They're playing with fire. Democrats are in imminent danger of losing their base |
Zorra |
Jul-27-09 06:39 PM |
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Agree....they lose their base... |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:50 PM |
#68 |
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Whatever the Republicans did to Bunning, the Democrats should do to the blue dogs. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:09 PM |
#128 |
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March on Washington for Health Care Reform |
John K |
Jul-27-09 06:45 PM |
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I'll march with you. This has got to happen this time. |
bear425 |
Jul-27-09 07:00 PM |
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There were doctors and nurses who marched on Congress...but the MSM didn't report it... |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:52 PM |
#69 |
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There is a DC march for single payer planned for this Thurs. (7/30) n/t |
clear eye |
Jul-27-09 08:14 PM |
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how long has that been planned, and why haven't they gotten the word out better? |
dysfunctional press |
Jul-27-09 11:21 PM |
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It went out on the email lists around the end of last month. |
clear eye |
Jul-28-09 08:41 AM |
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how many people are expected...? |
dysfunctional press |
Jul-28-09 09:18 AM |
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Sorry, I have no idea. Ask Healthcare-NOW! |
clear eye |
Jul-28-09 10:37 AM |
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I hope they don't plan on getting re-elected. |
bemildred |
Jul-27-09 06:46 PM |
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Maybe the money was a bigger lure than even their poltical office. |
David Zephyr |
Jul-27-09 07:24 PM |
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Big money...and job offers...to become another lobbyist on a corporate bankroll. |
Selatius |
Jul-27-09 07:37 PM |
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In the House they WILL be Re-Elected. With Big Pharma Money...that's what it's all about..n/t |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:53 PM |
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They didn't do great after "hillarycare" failed, did they? |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:49 PM |
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Forcing people to buy anything from a private company is fascist economics. |
New Dawn |
Jul-27-09 06:50 PM |
#9 |
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Like utilities |
clear eye |
Jul-27-09 08:18 PM |
#82 |
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We need to get rid of the conservatives in our party nt |
Thickasabrick |
Jul-27-09 07:11 PM |
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Liberals are a dying breed. Literally, sadly. The Don't Trust Anyone Over Thirty |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 07:02 PM |
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Howard Dean For President |
MannyGoldstein |
Jul-27-09 07:11 PM |
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Agree...Obama's Presidency for Dems is at risk if he doesn't STAND UP AND FIGHT! |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:44 PM |
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Exactly. |
David Zephyr |
Jul-28-09 01:18 AM |
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Senate Finance Committee Dropping Dem Health Goals |
No Passaran |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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If businesses are not required to provide Health Insurance and there |
OHdem10 |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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FUCK BAUCUS!!!! |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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I'm fed up |
Third Doctor |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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I saw that report, but I seriously doubt anyone knows what the final legislation actually contains. |
George II |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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Once again it's proven that there is no Santa Claus. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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that lobby is too strong I"m afraid |
No Passaran |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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Actually, the plan is worse than that... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-27-09 08:08 PM |
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Don't blame it on the medical insurers or the hospitals. This is the |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:46 PM |
#133 |
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Quel choc! |
mbperrin |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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ugh.. |
indimuse |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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"according to numerous officials" |
bluestateguy |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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Even if true, all other committees are Dems goals? Baucus/GOP were never for public option, so |
MarjorieG |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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No surprise here! Baucus accepted millions in what amounts to bribes |
emsimon33 |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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No public option is not reform and Baucus and any dems promoting this |
MasonJar |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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And never to rise again! Our hopes are |
asjr |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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Sure, That's going to happen. Tomorrow, probably. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 07:17 PM |
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WTF? |
LiberalLovinLug |
Jul-27-09 07:47 PM |
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Senate finance committee drops pubic option |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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"public" , don't want jokers to start making fun of a serious matter |
UndertheOcean |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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What we will end up with for "Public" is "HMO Pools" and we know what that is... |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:54 PM |
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Big surprise. Now if only we pions will anty up more for the poor, poor executives. |
MichiganVote |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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oh no. |
DesertFlower |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Oh yes there is. Mandatory private insurance. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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i feel like crying. nt |
DesertFlower |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Well...apparently they will give you some "kick back" on your taxes for it.. |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:56 PM |
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And, if you don't buy it... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-27-09 08:11 PM |
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it's their golden moment! |
dana_b |
Jul-27-09 08:36 PM |
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If the only thing that comes to his desk is this POS, I think he will sign it. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:53 PM |
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really?! |
dana_b |
Jul-28-09 06:57 PM |
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Yes, that is really what I think. He has staked so much on "health care" |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 07:10 PM |
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Message I just sent to the White House |
WatchWhatISay |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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They know there will not be a "true champion of the working people" available in 2012. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Obama will sell-out on health-care just like he has sold out on everything else... |
Iowa |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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go cry about it on Green underground |
CTLawGuy |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Surprise, surprise, surprise.. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Time for another press conference. |
Skink |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Yes |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Here is a link to the story. I read it before coming back to DU. |
Jazzgirl |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Here Is the AP Story Link |
Sensible321 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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It's dropping the requirement that employers provide coverage too! |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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The Lack of the Employer Bit Could Be A Good Thing if that Cord could be Cut Entirely |
Sensible321 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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I agree with you that insurance shouldn't be tied to employment. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Without "Portable/affordable" insurance...what do we have? |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 07:58 PM |
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Uhm no |
kenfrequed |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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You have no idea what you are talking about |
Sadie5 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Gompers (AFL) Spoke Like Bill Frist On Healthcare ... |
Sensible321 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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No. |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Thanks for the next chapter |
Sensible321 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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More reason to out Baucus from Finance Committee and put him to the same subcommittee |
Hawkeye-X |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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I rather suspect Baucus is far from the only one in government who is dirty with insurance |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 07:24 PM |
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They make there own choices. |
RandomThoughts |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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EMAIL YOUR SENATORS AND WHITEHOUSE.GOV! |
No Elephants |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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I hope they don't plan on getting re-elected. nt |
bemildred |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Insurance companies and media are probably |
RandomThoughts |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Any Democrat talking about going up for |
madamesilverspurs |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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He just ran in 2008, so he is not up until 2014 |
karynnj |
Jul-27-09 08:34 PM |
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Erk, thanks. |
madamesilverspurs |
Jul-27-09 09:56 PM |
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Don't blame you in the least - I only know because I looked to see if he was up in 2010 |
karynnj |
Jul-27-09 10:04 PM |
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Maybw we could set up a much-publicized fund to help candidates |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 08:00 PM |
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They just want to force us to buy private health insurance (i.e. fascist economics). |
New Dawn |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Just fucking perfect |
Libertas1776 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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As much as I value the "pubic option". Don't panic. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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I wouldn't be so sure... |
Iowa |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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We need to make sure this bill is DEFEATED in the Senate!!! |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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The finance committee bill isn't worth supporting. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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But, what is your understanding of the "Public Option" that will be offered? |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 08:01 PM |
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The broad outlines are given in HR3200 |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-27-09 11:04 PM |
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"Devil is in the details" is correct. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:43 PM |
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Here at DU we have our ideals, there on Washington Dems have their corporate payments. |
DuaneBidoux |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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Don't let it lead to a heart attack unless you have good medical insurance. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 07:30 PM |
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Are they trying to get the crabs out of the Senate? |
meow2u3 |
Jul-27-09 07:48 PM |
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And In the Same AP Article ... |
Sensible321 |
Jul-27-09 08:05 PM |
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They're supporting it b/c it doesn't allow Fed bargaining on drug prices. |
clear eye |
Jul-27-09 08:50 PM |
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Ahhh ... So Much For 'Free Trade' |
Sensible321 |
Jul-27-09 09:40 PM |
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Take a deep breath and think |
ramapo |
Jul-27-09 08:11 PM |
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I understand what you say...some of it is better than NOTHING...BUT...this isn't what |
KoKo |
Jul-27-09 08:58 PM |
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do you have healthcare coverage? perhaps you can afford to wait. |
dysfunctional press |
Jul-27-09 11:23 PM |
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They are trying to play us. |
Javaman |
Jul-27-09 08:13 PM |
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perfect. |
NoSheep |
Jul-28-09 01:34 AM |
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I guess I shouldn't be surprised... |
BradXXX |
Jul-28-09 01:49 AM |
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Sold out once again. Fuck the traitor Dems, and their spineless enablers. |
Frank Booth |
Jul-28-09 02:04 AM |
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Senate Finance Committee Dropping Dem Health Goals (Public Option): AP |
InfiniteThoughts |
Jul-28-09 06:09 AM |
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Ohmigod. They are looking to cut Medicare, too. |
Faygo Kid |
Jul-28-09 06:09 AM |
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I thought we got a new president? |
Skink |
Jul-28-09 06:09 AM |
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We do. And just so you don't appear ignorant, this is a Senate Finance Committee bill.... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Amen! |
Hulk |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Also dropping FSA to $2K & increasing fees on Medical Equipment |
Kittycat |
Jul-28-09 06:09 AM |
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perhaps they are keeping the drama in the mix or else it won't look like a hard-won fight? |
tomm2thumbs |
Jul-28-09 06:09 AM |
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i thought he answered that ...he has indicated that he will veto without using the words ... |
InfiniteThoughts |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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I don't see anything in the language in the article you linked that |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 07:52 PM |
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We need to call them and vote them out as they are not supporting the people and single payer. |
bkkyosemite |
Jul-28-09 06:09 AM |
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do both |
Aragorn |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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My God, the House bill is bad enough but I think this actually moves us backwards |
dflprincess |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Fuck these assholes |
AllentownJake |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Senate Dems have decided to throw the president under the bus |
Doctor_J |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Are you venting, or do you think anything in your post has a realistic |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 08:12 PM |
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I think no legislation would be better than this POS. |
IsItJustMe |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Unless you're one of the 49M without health care, or |
Doctor_J |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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How does this POS legislation do anything for them? |
AllentownJake |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Please think |
ramapo |
Jul-28-09 09:21 AM |
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But, but, but it's BIPARTISAN! That makes it good, right? |
neverforget |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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That's why I wrote white house.gov a couple of days ago and asked for a veto. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 08:14 PM |
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well, Montanans can always vote Baucus out in 2014 |
Doctor_J |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Bipartisanship means never letting the Democrats get what they want. |
neverforget |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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FUCK YOU BAUCUS |
Ed76638 |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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They want to support their insurance companies |
farmboxer |
Jul-28-09 06:10 AM |
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Insurance stocks rise as public option fades |
SOS |
Jul-28-09 06:53 PM |
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We need single payer not public option.. |
4dsc |
Jul-28-09 09:57 AM |
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Please, if you can get off work Thurs., join the action in DC. |
clear eye |
Jul-28-09 10:41 AM |
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I just got a robot call from my union to support HR 3200 F*ck that!! |
maryf |
Jul-28-09 11:40 AM |
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Let Max know how you feel... |
BlueIdaho |
Jul-28-09 12:59 PM |
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Max Baucus (D-Insurance mafia and Big Pharma) |
ProudDad |
Jul-28-09 01:28 PM |
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I hope the Obama bashers on this board now realize who the real opponents are. |
Zynx |
Jul-28-09 01:30 PM |
#127 |
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How about posting about the issue instead of posting about other posters? |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:14 PM |
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Dupe. |
No Elephants |
Jul-28-09 06:14 PM |
#129 |
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It worked for Bubba early on |
Big_Mike |
Jul-28-09 07:16 PM |
#140 |
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