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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 06:53 PM
Response to Reply #87
97. "It hasn't changed" since 1980-89? Cite?
"sold with rockets in them" isn't "built with rockets in them," nor "found with rockets in them".

Nor does it turn rockets into rocket LAUNCHERS, MD-dem.
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  -Rocket launchers sold to Venezuela went to FARC Bacchus39  Jul-27-09 03:48 PM   #0 
  - Gee, what a shock. Who would have ever thought?  MADem   Jul-27-09 03:53 PM   #1 
  - remember how corrupt Sweden is though, so who is to say?  Bacchus39   Jul-27-09 03:55 PM   #2 
  - He's good to go around here.  timeforpeace   Jul-27-09 04:12 PM   #5 
  - Yes, the mendacity of the evildoing Swedes...how could I have forgotten?  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:23 PM   #10 
  - you guys didn't read the article, did you? 3 rocket launchers, sold to venezuela in the 80s.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:23 PM   #11 
     - I read it--no one said it was a nuke, now, did they? You're the one taking issue with the amounts,  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:26 PM   #14 
        - pathetic. seriously.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:28 PM   #16 
           - Yes, you are. You'll excuse anything, if it's Hugo. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:30 PM   #17 
              - not, actually. but you sure will swallow any gnat to hang him.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:33 PM   #18 
                 - This isn't a gnat--it's an elephant in the room--one you refuse to see.  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:49 PM   #23 
                    - you think three 20+-year-old rocket launchers = elephant, you've got vision problems.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:01 PM   #29 
                    - One more time--they're single use rockets. Why is that so hard for you to comprehend?  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:07 PM   #33 
                       - headline says rocket *launcher*. a rocket launcher isn't a rocket.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:11 PM   #37 
                       - Your effort to downplay this is not succeeding, and you aren't reading  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:22 PM   #43 
                          - No, let me spoon-feed you from the OP:  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:28 PM   #49 
                             - And one more time:  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:31 PM   #52 
                                - NOT A ROCKET, MORE THAN 20 YEARS OLD, PORTABLE, THREE  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:34 PM   #54 
                                   - Are you that uninformed?  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:39 PM   #57 
                                      - Twenty-plus-year-old ROCKET LAUNCHERS. THREE.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:57 PM   #65 
                                         - Pssst--one more time--the launcher comes WITH a rocket.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:07 PM   #70 
                                            - psst: one more time, it only mentioned the "launcher" part.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:16 PM   #76 
                                               - Did you miss the quote I provided for you?  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:29 PM   #83 
                                               - aren't you the one who told me big letters don't help your argument?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:48 PM   #93 
                                               - You're not reading the little letters. I thought you might have an eye problem.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:52 PM   #96 
                                               - One is never able to make one's case with the willfully deaf.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:54 PM   #99 
                                               - And that, apparently, is what you are. An apt description of your malady, that. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:59 PM   #102 
                                               - The STUPID, it BURNS!!!  Odin2005   Jul-28-09 10:15 PM   #249 
                                               - You missed this part  hack89   Jul-27-09 06:51 PM   #95 
                                               - I didn't miss it at all. you're late to the party. now tell me about the launchers  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:57 PM   #100 
                                               - You smelt it, you dealt it, now you prove it. nt  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:20 PM   #159 
                                               - i made no claim. you did.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:42 PM   #190 
                                               - They were designed from the very beginning to be one shot and disposable  hack89   Jul-27-09 09:17 PM   #183 
                       - nice straw. rocket LAUNCHER.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:38 PM   #56 
                       - Hannah Bell, you're making an ass of yourself. The launcher comes WITH a rocket.  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:40 PM   #59 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-09 08:20 PM   #158 
                          - Well, how nice of you to chime in out of the blue.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:41 PM   #166 
                             - Tell the truth now! You really are in Junior high school?  clixtox   Jul-27-09 11:30 PM   #207 
                                - You're amusing. In a goofy sort of way.  MADem   Jul-28-09 12:12 AM   #212 
                    - Chavez and Drugs? I Didn't Know He Was a CIA Asset or Wall Street Investor.  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 05:11 PM   #36 
                       - The "two wrongs" argument doesn't play well.  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:25 PM   #46 
                          - The topic here is THREE 20+ YEAR-OLD ROCKET LAUNCHERS worth less than $1500 each reportedly found  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:41 PM   #61 
                          - How many weren't found? An end use agreement has been violated.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:11 PM   #73 
                             - not an "end-use agreement"! omg!  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:24 PM   #80 
                             - Well, the international arms community takes that "OMG" stuff pretty seriously.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:31 PM   #84 
                                - yes, i'm sure the big gangsters take it *very* seriously when the little ones go off-reservation.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:34 PM   #86 
                                   - Ahhh, the spitting vestige of failed argument. I am not talking about big  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:41 PM   #88 
                                      - dupe  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:46 PM   # 
                                      - & you know chavez transferred these 20-year-old rocket launchers to farc "rebels"  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:46 PM   #92 
                                         - Ah, yes--let's call the Swedes liars, now!  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:54 PM   #98 
                                            - the swedes didn't find the weapons, now did they?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:59 PM   #103 
                                               - Ahhh, the Columbians used remote viewing to divine the serial numbers....  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:01 PM   #105 
                                               - yes, the serial numbers of weapons venezuela bought 10 years before chavez  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:07 PM   #109 
                                               - They aren't eggs or milk, you know. They don't have a "shelf life."  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:17 PM   #113 
                                               - still funnier how persons like yourself inevitably resort to the tactics they perfected in jr. high  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:27 PM   #120 
                                               - I beg your pardon? You're the one behaving like a five year old.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:43 PM   #131 
                                               - you'd better go back & check the quality of your insults.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:59 PM   #139 
                                               - If I were going to insult you, you'd know it.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:01 PM   #141 
                                               - of course they are.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:12 PM   #150 
                                               - No, they aren't.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:16 PM   #154 
                                               - i'll take you for my model, ms manners. in fact, i did.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:21 PM   #160 
                                               - Of course they have a "shelf life", nothing last forever, especially munitions! N/T  clixtox   Jul-27-09 11:35 PM   #208 
                                               - Those last for many years, if stored properly. Like nukes do.  MADem   Jul-28-09 12:45 AM   #214 
                                               - You have no idea about your assertion that these weapons...  clixtox   Jul-29-09 07:13 PM   #257 
                                               - You're making the claim they don't last? Prove it. NT  MADem   Jul-29-09 07:38 PM   #262 
                                               - Typical childish response!  clixtox   Jul-29-09 07:59 PM   #263 
                                               - There you go again.  MADem   Jul-29-09 08:04 PM   #265 
                                               - There you go again  clixtox   Jul-29-09 08:48 PM   #268 
                                               - Couldn't prove your point, I see.  MADem   Jul-29-09 09:00 PM   #269 
                                               - Couldn't prove your point, I see N/T  clixtox   Jul-30-09 01:02 AM   #270 
                             - There is no proof Chavez illegally transferred anything  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 11:07 AM   #233 
                          - I Agree That Cocaine and Heroin Suck No Matter Who Is Facilitating Their Distribution  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 05:44 PM   #62 
                             - Sure, but that's an entirely different topic. This also involves rebels and illegal transfer of  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:13 PM   #74 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-09 08:35 PM   #165 
                                - Why don't you grow up? And stop lecturing and scolding people, like you're the  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:04 PM   #177 
                                - "Caught red handed" you write? Link, some corroboration? Fingerprints?  clixtox   Jul-27-09 11:45 PM   #209 
                                   - Here ya go. Now go away, and stop tossing insults like a two year old.  MADem   Jul-28-09 04:50 AM   #219 
                                      - A link? Putting a link to this very thread shows what a troll you are!  clixtox   Jul-28-09 06:32 AM   #222 
                                         - Go away. And read the DU rules. NT  MADem   Jul-28-09 06:44 AM   #225 
                                            - What a hypocrite! Suggesting I "Go away" is against the DU rules. N/T  clixtox   Jul-29-09 04:07 AM   #253 
                                               - I am suggesting you "go away" from me, because your conduct is  MADem   Jul-29-09 10:44 AM   #254 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-29-09 06:49 PM   #255 
                                                     - Ah, spewing. An internet word--that means it's an important post!  MADem   Jul-29-09 06:59 PM   #256 
                                                     - Crude? Personal insult?  clixtox   Jul-29-09 07:25 PM   #259 
                                                     - No, that's not true.  MADem   Jul-29-09 07:30 PM   #260 
                                                     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-29-09 07:33 PM   #261 
  - US military aid to fascist colombia government: 2,000,000,000+ this decade  endarkenment   Jul-27-09 03:58 PM   #3 
  - Don't waste your time.  BulletproofLandshark   Jul-27-09 04:25 PM   #13 
  - The weapons were sold to Venezuela in the 1980s.  Brother Buzz   Jul-27-09 04:09 PM   #4 
  - yeah, and then they were in the hands of the FARC. when did that transaction take place?  Bacchus39   Jul-27-09 04:13 PM   #6 
  - Consider the source...  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 04:16 PM   #7 
  - Sweden?? n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-27-09 04:17 PM   #8 
  - So the Swedes never said anything? That's your story? NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:24 PM   #12 
  - lets see, the last year of the 80s = 20 years ago, know what i mean?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:26 PM   #15 
  - They're single use rockets, but maybe in your careful reading you missed that.  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:47 PM   #22 
     - here's the OP, batwoman:  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:22 PM   #44 
        - One more time, since you plainly cannot read or comprehend--they are single-use rocket launchers.  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:29 PM   #50 
           - Oh, they didn't find ROCKETS, as you initially held, but ROCKET LAUNCHERS?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:01 PM   #66 
              - Are you unwell? The rocket launchers are built with the rockets IN them.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:09 PM   #71 
                 - No, they're not "built with the rockets in them." They're built, then loaded with 1 of three types  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:20 PM   #78 
                    - They're sold with rockets in them. There--you admitted it, finally.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:39 PM   #87 
                       - "It hasn't changed" since 1980-89? Cite?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:53 PM   #97 
                          - You're the one looking for evidence. Get off your ass and do some googling, dear.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:58 PM   #101 
                             - you made the claim, dear. btw, am i to understood you use your computer from a standing position,  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:15 PM   #112 
                                - I told you. I didn't "make the claim." I flat out told you.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:20 PM   #115 
                                   - you made a claim. i ask for evidence. you can't, or won't, provide it.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:29 PM   #122 
                                      - I gave you two links that dealt with the manufacture of the weapon. READ THEM.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:42 PM   #130 
                                         - excuse me, but you didn't give me any links. here's the sequence of posts:  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:05 PM   #144 
                                            - Yes, I did give you links. Two of them. You don't read very well, do you? NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:08 PM   #147 
                                               - where? you claim it hasn't changed, i ask for a cite, you respond (post 101):  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:22 PM   #161 
                                               - I gave you two cites that describe the weapon. You are claiming it has changed.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:35 PM   #164 
                                               - you claim it hasn't. you made an explicit claim. manufactured goods typically  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:44 PM   # 
                                               - You claim it has changed. I say it has not. You made an explicit claim.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:52 PM   #171 
                                               - excuse me, i made no claim it had or had not changed. Post 78:  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:04 PM   #178 
                                               - You wanna know? You really wanna know if it has changed?  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:08 PM   #179 
                                               - you don't have any knowledge of whether it's changed or not. just bullshit.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:14 PM   #181 
                                               - You don't have any knowledge of whether it's not changed. Just bullshit.  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:24 PM   #185 
                                               - ah, but i never claimed i did. *you* did.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:43 PM   #191 
                                               - Yes, I asserted no change. If you want to prove otherwise, DO IT.  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:51 PM   #192 
                                               - i didn't make any claim. you did. not my job to disprove *your* claim.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 10:01 PM   #196 
                                               - You want the specs to have changed. That is your wish. Go find proof of that, or  MADem   Jul-27-09 10:11 PM   #197 
  - pathetic.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:35 PM   #19 
  - What's pathetic is your inability to recognize a thief, a drug dealer and a despot  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:50 PM   #24 
     - i haven't said word 1 about chavez, & you don't have a clue what my opinion is.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:58 PM   #26 
     - I'm not "trying" to do anything. The Swedes are making the case.  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:12 PM   #39 
        - pitiful. squid ink & straw.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:04 PM   #68 
           - No, not pitiful, not squid ink, not straw. You have no arguments left, I see. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:16 PM   #77 
              - I used up all the good ones. Easy though, when the competition is arguing  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:23 PM   #79 
                 - If those were your good ones, I'd hate to see your bad ones, because your good ones stunk.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:42 PM   #89 
                    - like your evidence chavez gave three 20-year-old launchers to farc?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:04 PM   #108 
                       - It's not my evidence. It is the evidence of the governments of Sweden and Columbia.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:22 PM   #117 
                          - list the evidence.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:31 PM   #125 
                             - Read the article. And grow up. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:50 PM   #134 
                                - you can't. cause there isn't any. no matter how often you claim there is.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 10:13 PM   #199 
                                   - You are behaving in an inappropriate fashion at this stage.  MADem   Jul-27-09 10:30 PM   #205 
                                      - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-28-09 09:50 PM   #247 
                                      - He's a dogmatist. throwing childish insults at those who criticize St. Hugo is his MO.  Odin2005   Jul-28-09 10:40 PM   #251 
                                         - Not reality-based, certainly.  MADem   Jul-29-09 08:00 PM   #264 
     - This isn't about George W. Bush. N/T  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 05:19 PM   #42 
        - Again, the sins of others are not under discussion here. We're talking about  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:30 PM   #51 
           - "Farc supporting Hugo". Any links showing this "support"?  clixtox   Jul-29-09 07:22 PM   #258 
  - Well, Hugo Chávez was in the Venezuelan military back then...  Brother Buzz   Jul-27-09 04:44 PM   #20 
     - don't give them ideas.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 04:58 PM   #27 
     - The idea is as old as time.  Brother Buzz   Jul-27-09 05:04 PM   #31 
        - and chavez was the most likely soldier to do so out of thousands - because?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:06 PM   #32 
           - Occam's razor?  Brother Buzz   Jul-27-09 05:24 PM   #45 
              - that's because you're sensible. there are dozens of ways the "find" could  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:11 PM   #72 
                 - it was proven by the laptop files dontcha know  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 10:55 AM   #229 
                    - It was not proven. dontcha know?  Brother Buzz   Jul-29-09 08:31 PM   #267 
     - No, they were likely still in inventory, and Hugo had his military intel liaison hand them over  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:15 PM   #41 
        - Then it had to have been the work of a crazy industrious paper-hanging corporal  Brother Buzz   Jul-27-09 05:28 PM   #48 
        - Hee hee....! nt  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:32 PM   #53 
           - maybe you misunderstood the joke.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:25 PM   #81 
              - Oh, I get your jokes--they're a real hoot, too. Thing is, you don't realize how  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:46 PM   #91 
                 - not my joke.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:32 PM   #127 
                    - I was referring to your childish, repetitive posts. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:51 PM   #135 
                       - how does she ad hom? let me count the ways. takes two to tango, lady.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:55 PM   #137 
                          - Lady? Tango? Why don't you just dance off. You have nothing to say.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:00 PM   #140 
                             - we see someone for what they are, all right. bystanders will disagree as to who it is.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:16 PM   #182 
                                - You sound...unwell. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:25 PM   #186 
        - yes, the big international smuggling of three 20-year-old rocket launchers  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:03 PM   #67 
           - Nothing to see here, move along, others do it too, it was just a small amount...  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:15 PM   #75 
              - Continually calling Chavez a "despot" is a lie meant to embroil...  clixtox   Jul-28-09 12:01 AM   #210 
                 - Ah, name calling. That's the way to make your point!  MADem   Jul-28-09 12:23 AM   #213 
                    - Hugo Chavez isn't a despot and you are a thread hijacker!  clixtox   Jul-28-09 02:38 AM   #215 
                       - No, I'm not, but your silly name calling is noted.  MADem   Jul-28-09 03:00 AM   #216 
                       - The only time you haven't responded was when I asked for a link...  clixtox   Jul-28-09 04:39 AM   #217 
                          - Don't interact with me if you don't like me. The choice is entirely yours.  MADem   Jul-28-09 04:44 AM   #218 
                             - "Obvious you are using one" is an insult! As are many of your previous...  clixtox   Jul-28-09 05:46 AM   #220 
                                - No, it isn't. And your sentence construction is clumsy and forced.  MADem   Jul-28-09 05:59 AM   #221 
                                   - Nor facts or the reality on the ground!  clixtox   Jul-28-09 06:36 AM   #223 
                                      - Tsk, tsk, now--you really do need to reread the DU rules!  MADem   Jul-28-09 06:38 AM   #224 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-28-09 07:45 AM   #226 
                                         - So you acknowledge that is your goal. How special. nt  MADem   Jul-28-09 12:37 PM   #237 
                                         - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-28-09 09:29 PM   #246 
                                            - Gee, you and your "buddies" seem to be working overtime, yourselves.  MADem   Jul-28-09 10:25 PM   #250 
                       - Agreed, Chavez is neither a despot or a dictator  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 10:58 AM   #230 
  - no need for fingerprints. they have laptops!  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 10:52 AM   #228 
     - Yes, plenty of fingerprints on the THREE laptop computers, too  Brother Buzz   Jul-28-09 11:48 AM   #236 
  - Reminds me of the some of the weapons  dipsydoodle   Jul-27-09 04:22 PM   #9 
  - The other side of the coin, from Venezuela  rabs   Jul-27-09 04:55 PM   #25 
     - And the facts, from Sweden, who sold VZ the weapons  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:02 PM   #30 
  - Sweden vs Colombia  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 04:46 PM   #21 
  - Oh, please. They ARE. And our critical allies the Germans are swept up in this fiction, too?  MADem   Jul-27-09 04:59 PM   #28 
     - three rocket launchers that were at least 20 years old. oooh, evil chavez,  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 05:09 PM   #34 
     - They're not obsolete to a group of rebels who have few assets and  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:36 PM   #55 
        - oh, wait, i thought they were being funded from chavez's oil & drug riches?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:27 PM   #82 
           - You'll have to ask your red-shirted boyfriend, now, won't you, "batwoman?"  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:49 PM   #94 
              - i notice you can't explain why chavez's ill-gotten drug millions can't pay for better weaponry.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:18 PM   #114 
                 - It's not for me to "explain" how Chavez spends his money. That's not the topic of this thread.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:27 PM   #121 
                    - "Chavez supplied FARC with Swedish made rocket launchers that the Swedes sold to him."  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:39 PM   #129 
                       - L'etat, c'est moi. That's Chavez.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:49 PM   #133 
                          - They were in the arsenal in 1989, before chavez came to power in 1998.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:54 PM   #136 
                             - And they were in the arsenal until he gave them to FARC, too. NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:02 PM   #142 
                                - you know this - how?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:07 PM   #145 
                                   - Because militaries do inventories of their weapons on a regular basis, that's how.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:09 PM   #148 
                                      - which is why no one notified sweden the rocket launchers were missing  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:18 PM   #155 
                                         - Gee, you are the expert on all things Chaves--why don't you ask him how often  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:43 PM   #167 
     - Please get a clue.  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 05:11 PM   #38 
     - Ah, so International Evildoers have taken control of RADIO SWEDEN  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:48 PM   #63 
        - You didn't read the post you were replying to, did you  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 10:59 AM   #231 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-28-09 05:21 PM   #241 
              - That's a definite 'No'  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 06:33 PM   #243 
     - Viva Chavez!  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 05:14 PM   #40 
     - What a steaming pile of horseshit!!!  MADem   Jul-27-09 05:54 PM   #64 
        - The world loves Chvaez, deal with it.  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 07:04 PM   #107 
        - No, they're falling out of love with him. You might want to deal with that.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:10 PM   #110 
           - LOL  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 07:32 PM   #126 
              - The Swedes know who they sold their weapons to--that's the part you can't wish away.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:57 PM   #138 
                 - No argument there.  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 08:02 PM   #143 
                    - Absolutely.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:11 PM   #149 
                       - You killed your story!  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 08:44 PM   #168 
                          - No, it's not news--except maybe to you and two others? NT  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:53 PM   #173 
        - I Feel So Much Better Now - Doctors Are Only In It For The Money  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 08:16 PM   #153 
           - Many are. And many Cuban ones would be, if they could.  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:21 PM   #184 
     - Someone Doesn't Get It  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 05:39 PM   #58 
        - And if you'll look, that happened when? During the Clinton administration.  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:06 PM   #69 
           - you have no idea when those ROCKET LAUNCHERS got into the hands of farc, or how.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 06:32 PM   #85 
           - Yeah, cuz...cuz,,,Uribe sneaked over the border an', an' he STOLE 'em from poor Hugo!!  MADem   Jul-27-09 06:45 PM   #90 
              - the swedes didn't find the weapons. the colombians did. as you know.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:00 PM   #104 
                 - The Swedes had the serial numbers of the weapons on file.  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:03 PM   #106 
                    - the serial numbers are irrelevant. they show who bought the weapons 20-plus years ago.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:21 PM   #116 
                       - Ah, you don't understand how the weapons are made, and you don't understand  MADem   Jul-27-09 07:31 PM   #124 
                          - they show who bought the weapons 20-odd-years ago, your evidence  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:35 PM   #128 
                             - If the weapons were stolen or went missing, the VZ government would have notified  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:07 PM   #146 
                                - sure, because everyone knows how meticulous & honest the venezuelan bureaucracy  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:15 PM   #151 
                                   - Well, Chavez has had, what, ten years, to straighten that shit out?  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:45 PM   #169 
                                      - ah, but you see, i never made the claim chavez was honest, better than  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:58 PM   #175 
                                         - Ah, so now your excuse is "Chavez is not honest?" That would make him...corrupt.  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:30 PM   #187 
                                            - I don't need an excuse. I've made no declaration of allegiance to anything or anyone.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:51 PM   #193 
                                               - You're the only one who thinks that.  MADem   Jul-27-09 10:14 PM   #200 
                                                  - Actually, reading through this thread  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 11:17 AM   #234 
                                                  - Gee, I really don't care what you think, either.  MADem   Jul-28-09 05:18 PM   #240 
                                                  - when you're past elementary school level discourse, do let the rest of us know  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 06:31 PM   #242 
                                                  - Ah, you know all about that, I'm sure.  MADem   Jul-28-09 06:35 PM   #244 
           - What Makes Hugo Better is What He Is Doing With Venezuela's Resources  Sensible321   Jul-27-09 08:32 PM   #163 
              - No, he's not. But if you really want to talk about that, start a thread on the Wonders of Hugo.  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:00 PM   #176 
                 - evidence sweden is "pissed off"? evidence chavez floated the launchers to farc?  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 10:13 PM   #198 
                    - You're unhealthily obsessed and you aren't making sense.  MADem   Jul-27-09 10:26 PM   #204 
  - Weight = 15 pounds, Price = $1,480.64  FarCenter   Jul-27-09 05:10 PM   #35 
  - That translates to a LOT of cerveza!  Brother Buzz   Jul-27-09 05:41 PM   #60 
     - time for a complete on hand weapons inventory.....then a pizza run with "what falls off the truck"  ohio2007   Jul-27-09 07:23 PM   #119 
        - yes, i do.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:30 PM   #123 
  - Colombia's Military: Mission Impossible  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 05:27 PM   #47 
  - Obviously a set-up by the right-wing Swedes who are out to get Chavez  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-27-09 07:11 PM   #111 
  - the swedes didn't find the weapons. the colombians did. 9 months ago.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 07:22 PM   #118 
  - the Chavez administration sure is vociferously denying it  Bacchus39   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #132 
  - The Swedes keep crummy records, then? Ah, Sweden--the 51st state!!!  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:19 PM   #156 
  - DOH!!!!.... Damn those right wing Swedes!!!!  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:15 PM   #152 
     - "Three launchers were recovered in October...and Colombia only recently asked Sweden to confirm  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:19 PM   #157 
        - And your point is.....????  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:25 PM   #162 
           - my point is exactly as stated. vz gov waited 9 months, for some reason,  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 08:46 PM   #170 
              - Colombia will release the info when its convenient to them, not to you  Bacchus39   Jul-27-09 08:52 PM   #172 
              - Colombian GDP (2008): $249.8 billion; base year 2000: $93.7 billion.  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 09:32 PM   #188 
                 - yes, I know of the US aid to Colombia, and how is that relevant to  Bacchus39   Jul-27-09 10:14 PM   #201 
              - Yes--that would be an "officious military stores(sic)-keeper" from .... VENEZUELA.  MADem   Jul-27-09 08:56 PM   #174 
  - THREAD SUMMARY  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 09:12 PM   #180 
  - You mean when Columbia launched a military attack * against a FARC stronghold* in Ecuador.  MADem   Jul-27-09 09:38 PM   #189 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-27-09 09:53 PM   #195 
     - Correa exactly didn't view the matter in those terms  dipsydoodle   Jul-28-09 11:43 AM   #235 
        - I won't argue with that, but the intent, I think, was pretty clear. nt  MADem   Jul-29-09 08:08 PM   #266 
  - Sweden Asks Venezuela for Information on FARC Weapons, AFP Says  struggle4progress   Jul-27-09 09:52 PM   #194 
  - Smells like bull shit to me.  bitchkitty   Jul-27-09 10:17 PM   #202 
  - "Right wing contingent" doesn't explain someone who...  clixtox   Jul-29-09 04:03 AM   #252 
  - Venezuela + Colombia + Sweden...and Afghanistan???  Truth Talks   Jul-27-09 10:23 PM   #203 
  - god, didn't you hear! Chavez gave farc a cache of three 20-year old rocket launchers!!!  Hannah Bell   Jul-27-09 10:41 PM   #206 
  - Serial Number SVC-1991-A2938  AlphaCentauri   Jul-28-09 12:07 AM   #211 
  - remember when Saddam was so determined to get a nuclear bomb?  subsuelo   Jul-28-09 08:47 AM   #227 
  - Corruption in a South American military?  Nevernose   Jul-28-09 11:06 AM   #232 
  - Viva Chavez - Death to the USAmerikan Imperial Puppets in Columbia! (n/t)  ProudDad   Jul-28-09 01:05 PM   #238 
  - Good  pooplord420   Jul-28-09 01:35 PM   #239 
  - Venezuela freezes diplomatic relations with Colombia, recalls its ambassador  rabs   Jul-28-09 07:51 PM   #245 
  - Nevermind...  Odin2005   Jul-28-09 10:06 PM   #248 
 

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