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Wed Jul-22-09 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #36 |
| 37. And I bet he doesn't see the irony |
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of supporting his beliefs by quoting a man who is the living embodiment of "Not studying harder"
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| -FDNY written exams excluded hundreds of black and Hispanic firefighters, federal judge rules |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:02 PM |
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Here we go again.... |
WriteDown |
Jul-22-09 06:03 PM |
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I remember looking at the photos of the FDNY firefighters who died |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:06 PM |
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There's a very strong Irish tradition in the fire department |
Renew Deal |
Jul-22-09 06:10 PM |
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Same with the police... |
WriteDown |
Jul-22-09 06:12 PM |
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But that also reeks of patronage |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:13 PM |
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When those traditions began, the Irish and Italian were minorities. "No Dagos, wops or Irish need |
No Elephants |
Jul-22-09 06:23 PM |
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Did you see "Gangs of New York"? |
AngryAmish |
Jul-23-09 08:14 AM |
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No,. Did not see that. But a firefighter once told me if his home were on fire, he'd |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 07:11 AM |
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Sanitation Department |
Kolesar |
Jul-23-09 05:25 AM |
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In NYC, Irishmen were the first blacks. n/t |
RoccoR5955 |
Jul-22-09 07:35 PM |
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In NYC, African Americans were the first blacks. People of color in this country |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 04:56 AM |
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There is some truth to what he says... |
WriteDown |
Jul-23-09 10:39 AM |
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No. In NYC, blacks were the first blacks. nt |
Critters2 |
Jul-23-09 11:36 AM |
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Do I hear an echo? |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 07:15 AM |
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For every group that came to this country but Africans, |
Critters2 |
Jul-24-09 02:48 PM |
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Do you know the stats of those applying? |
JonQ |
Jul-22-09 09:25 PM |
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I took a course once and one of the guest speakers was |
24601 |
Jul-22-09 09:44 PM |
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We shall see.... |
WriteDown |
Jul-22-09 06:11 PM |
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Thanks I corrected that n/t |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:14 PM |
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You called? I was mad. But I got over it. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-23-09 07:29 AM |
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Are you in the FDNY? |
WriteDown |
Jul-23-09 10:40 AM |
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No, science. Many many sciences. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-23-09 10:42 AM |
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Hahahahahah..... |
WriteDown |
Jul-23-09 10:52 AM |
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They start them on the path to fire fighter as kids in youth organizatons, difficult for nonwhites |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jul-23-09 03:07 PM |
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Also, in the New Haven case, the city got consultants. (The effort was kind of |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 07:30 AM |
#84 |
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For some on DU, they are liberal until you mention discrimination on the job or police abuse |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jul-24-09 08:49 AM |
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And for some on DU, departing from any aspect of liberal dogma makes you a freeper. |
Dutch |
Jul-24-09 02:12 PM |
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Asians just don't seem to have the same testing problems that |
virgogal |
Jul-22-09 06:09 PM |
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Sure they do.... |
WriteDown |
Jul-22-09 06:14 PM |
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:-) |
virgogal |
Jul-22-09 06:20 PM |
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Asians |
RobinA |
Jul-23-09 02:47 PM |
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No link does often lead to a call of bs, but it also matters if these are |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 08:30 AM |
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The Study |
RobinA |
Jul-24-09 10:48 AM |
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not but they face the same hazing/harrassment/stress when they do get in |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jul-23-09 03:09 PM |
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Give it a rest. A test does not "exclude" people who never wanted to take the test. |
No Elephants |
Jul-22-09 06:19 PM |
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Self Delete |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:22 PM |
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Asians never wanted to take the test? Who knew? I'll |
virgogal |
Jul-22-09 06:25 PM |
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I said that a test does not exclude people who don't take it. Disagreeing with that statement |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 05:03 AM |
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Maybe images of big White firemen |
WriteDown |
Jul-23-09 10:55 AM |
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I always thought words like "firemen" kept women out of certain professions, right along |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 07:39 AM |
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Asian privilege. nt |
anonymous171 |
Jul-24-09 02:58 PM |
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Garaufis for Supreme Court! |
Renew Deal |
Jul-22-09 06:09 PM |
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ROFL - but evil evil - appointed by President Clinton |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:11 PM |
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The FAA needs 200 full time attorneys? |
No Elephants |
Jul-22-09 06:27 PM |
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Does anyone have any information on the exact content of the test? |
Regret My New Name |
Jul-22-09 06:15 PM |
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You'd have to get one prior to 2007 |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:18 PM |
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Ruh Roh. Bush's Department of Justice brought this case? Could it be that they |
No Elephants |
Jul-22-09 06:30 PM |
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FDNY least diverse of all Major city Fire Departments |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-22-09 06:20 PM |
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Obviously, that must mean that African Americans who live in NYC are less intelligent and/or less |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 05:24 AM |
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White male Clinton appointee |
usregimechange |
Jul-22-09 06:31 PM |
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So, exactly HOW does one rig a written test to exclude minorities? |
Celtic Merlin |
Jul-22-09 06:40 PM |
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I'm with you, I don't know how it happens, and I want to know |
JayMusgrove |
Jul-22-09 06:45 PM |
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Who said they fail tests of skills? And please see Reply 48. And, while you're at it, Reply 46. |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 05:52 AM |
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a trivial example |
Generic Other |
Jul-22-09 06:52 PM |
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There are no questions about rice on the firefighters exam. |
Celtic Merlin |
Jul-22-09 07:01 PM |
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He never said there was a question about rice on the exam. |
intheflow |
Jul-22-09 07:50 PM |
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Thank you for expressing it so well |
Generic Other |
Jul-23-09 11:24 AM |
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Sorry for blowing it on your gender! |
intheflow |
Jul-23-09 12:00 PM |
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Wow |
MellowDem |
Jul-24-09 03:07 PM |
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Off topic, but I don't think the Russians refused to shake Obama's hand because of his race. |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 08:12 AM |
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You think white Americans have an advantage as to knowing silverware settings? |
Romulox |
Jul-24-09 10:31 AM |
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Worldview |
RobinA |
Jul-23-09 03:03 PM |
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How are you supposed to adapt to a worldview assumption you've never been exposed to? |
intheflow |
Jul-23-09 03:13 PM |
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Jul-24-09 09:55 AM |
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Self delete |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 08:34 AM |
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I'll tell you what you can do to convince me. |
Celtic Merlin |
Jul-24-09 07:03 AM |
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I have a feeling nothing can convince you, nor do you want to be convinced. And who gives a rap if |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 08:42 AM |
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My mom was one of the best cooks on the planet--a natural. And she always washed rice |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 07:51 AM |
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I can't think how they do it either |
JonQ |
Jul-22-09 09:27 PM |
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If you are the first member of your family to finish high school, you may never have heard of pi, |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 07:59 AM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jul-23-09 05:26 AM |
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It all boils down to education, and the lack of access thereof |
Hugabear |
Jul-24-09 02:26 PM |
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When I took the exam for the Police dept |
downindixie |
Jul-22-09 07:36 PM |
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Bigotry of low expectations |
AverageJoe5 |
Jul-22-09 07:54 PM |
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Yep |
BronxBoy |
Jul-22-09 08:04 PM |
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Math is universal |
JonLP24 |
Jul-22-09 08:07 PM |
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And neither do a lot of these assholes... |
BronxBoy |
Jul-22-09 08:08 PM |
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I just read Gladwell's new book "Outliers" |
dem mba |
Jul-23-09 01:03 PM |
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Great reply, but I'm guessing it would be wasted on your average |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 09:59 AM |
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Enjoy your stay at DU. |
EFerrari |
Jul-22-09 08:23 PM |
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Enjoy your stay in...ah fuck it |
newinnm |
Jul-24-09 04:03 PM |
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You've never taken a test like that, have you? |
EFerrari |
Jul-22-09 08:24 PM |
#36 |
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And I bet he doesn't see the irony |
BronxBoy |
Jul-22-09 08:27 PM |
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PREACH IT, Bronxboy. |
Number23 |
Jul-22-09 10:16 PM |
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If what you say is correct, then why are there more Black and Latino |
bobshin |
Jul-22-09 10:30 PM |
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Tell me, Joe, are you a plumber, too? What did President "I fall off the couch |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 05:45 AM |
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And one of the dumbest SOBs ever to attend Yale.... |
BronxBoy |
Jul-22-09 08:09 PM |
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And your expertise in evaluating tests for race neutrality comes from what training or education? |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 05:42 AM |
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So you know 2 dumbasses. And? |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 08:50 AM |
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The argument was not that the test was designed to exclude minorities... |
merwin |
Jul-22-09 09:26 PM |
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So, it's just a coincidence that a city as large and diverse as NYC has the least diverse |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 06:07 AM |
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Threads like this always seem to attract thinly disguised racist trolls, both |
No Elephants |
Jul-23-09 06:33 AM |
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Uh, how do you rig a test to exclude minorities? |
Odin2005 |
Jul-23-09 07:24 AM |
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Disparate impact |
AngryAmish |
Jul-23-09 08:16 AM |
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I guess you've never heard of how literacy tests were used |
athena |
Jul-23-09 09:36 AM |
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From what I understand, the FDNY requirements also include a certain number of college credits. |
merwin |
Jul-23-09 11:32 AM |
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No, that seems a lot more like a poll tax than a voting literacy test. Geez, |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 09:25 AM |
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But this isn't a literacy test, it's a knowledge and aptitude test. |
Odin2005 |
Jul-23-09 02:49 PM |
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Yes, tthat is certainly a factor, but not the only one. Please see |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 09:04 AM |
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If the court is assigning traits to a race. Like being bad at taking tests. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-23-09 07:35 AM |
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Decent point.... |
WriteDown |
Jul-23-09 10:57 AM |
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That's the point that I'm trying to get across as well. |
merwin |
Jul-23-09 11:34 AM |
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I know I'm going to regret this. But here it goes any way. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-23-09 12:22 PM |
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Have you read the opinion? |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 10:03 AM |
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That's exactly the point I was trying to make. |
Odin2005 |
Jul-23-09 02:51 PM |
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Sorry, but minorities in NYC don't |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 10:13 AM |
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Did the court assign those traits? Or was there a stipulation by the parties or expert testimony? |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 09:34 AM |
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I wonder how this squares against the Ricci v New Haven (I think) the one the five a**holes |
joeybee12 |
Jul-23-09 03:08 PM |
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They did not overturn only Sotomayor. They overturned SCOTUS precedent. |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 09:48 AM |
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Draft Riots |
sazerac |
Jul-24-09 08:41 AM |
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That's not what I'd call loyal. Oh, you mean more loyal to their paycheck than to their siblings. |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 09:16 AM |
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Or Communiity |
sazerac |
Jul-24-09 09:26 AM |
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Thanks. |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 10:09 AM |
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Whatever happened to "Never inform"? |
dflprincess |
Jul-24-09 12:21 PM |
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Since the City got sued and changed the test in 2007, 38% of those who pass are now |
No Elephants |
Jul-24-09 10:47 AM |
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Here is that New York Times article - much more informative: |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-24-09 11:18 AM |
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That certainly puts things in a different perspective |
Blasphemer |
Jul-24-09 04:05 PM |
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I'm gonna sue because I want to be a doctor but can't understand the |
Zorra |
Jul-24-09 11:55 AM |
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Brain "tumor?" |
WriteDown |
Jul-24-09 04:13 PM |
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I would have to imagine that the history of racism in the department isn't helping matters |
dsc |
Jul-24-09 12:33 PM |
#112 |
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