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Response to Reply #169
179. AT MOST, Gates got angry after the cop failed to leave when ID was presente.
Edited on Tue Jul-21-09 08:50 PM by No Elephants
And that is if you believe the police report. If you believe Gates, he never yelled or called anyone a racist, just asked or a name and badge number.

What the cop did wrong was fail to leave after he had been shown two forms of photo ID. The man was in his own house. No breaking and enteering had occurred. That should have been it. Case closed. Good night, Prof. Gates.

But the cop wasn't about to let that be it. And he called the Harvard U. Police. And that is when things fell apart.
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  -Gates Says He Is Outraged by Arrest at Cambridge Home BlueJessamine  Jul-21-09 02:39 PM   #0 
  - And he puts this mess to constructive use, to help others and to teach.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 02:43 PM   #1 
  - Photo of the arrest, from the article >  Stephanie   Jul-21-09 02:46 PM   #2 
  - Oh, he was just "making a scene"  Occulus   Jul-21-09 02:55 PM   #6 
  - Even if he was just losing it and being argumentative, that's no reason to  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:10 PM   #9 
  - I guess the black cop was a racist as well?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:13 PM   #12 
  - It is no secret that that PD has had a history of racial insensitivity.  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:20 PM   #17 
  - Actually the black cop is there so he is part of the team.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:25 PM   #18 
     - WTF is wrong with you? How many times do I have to tell you "So what?" before it sinks in?  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:38 PM   #28 
     - Law against being a rich / important ass  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 03:48 PM   #32 
     - They arrested him AFTER he provided them with ID. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 03:52 PM   #34 
     - Only question is did he meet the statute's requirement for arrest  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 03:54 PM   #35 
        - Of course he does. He's a black male. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:07 PM   #42 
        - Yeah, that is pretty much not going to fly any more..  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:05 PM   #74 
        - And that is it exactly. IF.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:05 PM   #163 
        - Arrested for being a black person. That's a crime we must punish  JayMusgrove   Jul-22-09 09:46 AM   #200 
        - This is the first thing that came up  JonLP24   Jul-21-09 04:12 PM   #46 
        - I guess that question has been answered now.  Flaneur   Jul-21-09 04:39 PM   #58 
           - DA decides to prosecute..  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:03 PM   #71 
              - Not exactly.  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 07:33 PM   #140 
     - Don't give me "should." It is not against the law to behave like a rich/important ass.  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:00 PM   #37 
     - You really need to relax a bit. If this is how you would behave in front  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 04:08 PM   #43 
     - I'm quite relaxed, thank you.  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:11 PM   #45 
     - You appear anything but...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:57 PM   #119 
        - I don't "appear" at all--do you think you have remote viewing skills, is that it?  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:00 PM   #122 
           - Temper, temper...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:07 PM   #127 
              - You really should try to control yours.  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:38 PM   #147 
                 - I have a life, MADem, and I am in control. ;D  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:42 PM   #150 
                    - Yes, by your comments, it is sadly apparent what kind of pathetic life you have. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:52 PM   #154 
                       - Really? Tell me all about my life.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:00 PM   #161 
     - A good example of Caspar Milquetoast reasoning.  Iowa   Jul-21-09 04:58 PM   #67 
        - I never said that and you very well know it.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:04 PM   #124 
     - All this hollering about how Gates should have behaved. It didn't work too well for  Raschel   Jul-23-09 03:16 PM   #222 
     - In all likelihood, he was polite, at least at first.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:11 PM   #79 
     - There is nothing wrong with me. What is wrong with you?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 04:05 PM   #41 
     - Again, getting personal is the sign of a failed argument. I am not "over agitated,"  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:13 PM   #47 
     - Well, then you failed a few arguments back. ;D  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:53 PM   #116 
        - I think you are the one who needs to take your show on the road--far, far away. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:12 PM   #131 
     - If a cop is in my living room, acting like a jerk when I have done nonthing more than come  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:17 PM   #82 
        - Guess what the cop's name was? Drum roll.....and no, I am not kidding!  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:40 PM   #94 
        - Now that deserves a Drumroll~  goclark   Jul-23-09 10:21 AM   #217 
        - Sigh...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:56 PM   #118 
           - Show us where he "hassled" the cop? You haven't made your case.  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:09 PM   #128 
              - Laughs all around, MADem...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:16 PM   #132 
                 - If you weren't there, then, by YOUR argument, you should just hush up, now, shouldn't you?  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:27 PM   #135 
                    - Now, now, MADem. Can you ease up on the reactionary posts?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:40 PM   #149 
                       - Now, now, board disruptor, could you ease up on the "right up to the line"  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:50 PM   #153 
                       - You weren't there either, but you have a TV. Good for you.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:58 PM   #160 
                       - Now that's really objective. How about "If the cop hassled a well-dressed.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:06 PM   #164 
                          - Well...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:39 PM   #177 
     - Well said! n/t  Iowa   Jul-21-09 04:32 PM   #53 
     - I get the feeling you would know quite a bit about being an a-hole.  Flaneur   Jul-21-09 04:38 PM   #57 
  - why do you say that?  fishwax   Jul-21-09 03:35 PM   #25 
  - It was a response of Sarcasm...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:38 PM   #29 
     - it's an easy epithet to throw around, but there's no evidence Gates was doing that  fishwax   Jul-21-09 03:45 PM   #31 
  - Cops is cops. They're not black or white, they're blue.  Flaneur   Jul-21-09 04:36 PM   #56 
  - Four Things: You are seeing the end of the incident. All of these cops were not involved at first  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:03 PM   #70 
  - Bingo!  jonestonesusa   Jul-22-09 02:24 AM   #195 
  - It would be wise to listen to NWA as they elucidate on this subject  EndersDame   Jul-21-09 11:00 PM   #191 
  - We all know a black cop could never ever be racist against another black man..  Winterblues   Jul-23-09 10:38 AM   #218 
  - Once it becomes accepted that one can't speak one's mind to a cop -- short of physical agression --  DesertDiamond   Jul-21-09 04:20 PM   #49 
     - I 'm going to kill you (communicating a threat)  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:06 PM   #75 
     - The police report does not say that Gates threatened the cop, though. And you can bet it  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:23 PM   #85 
        - My response was to the poster who said you should be able to say anything  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:40 PM   #93 
           - Point taken. So actual verbal threats, I would agree. However, in my view the definition of "threat"  DesertDiamond   Jul-21-09 06:01 PM   #100 
     - It's pretty plain that this cop did not like the professor's "tone."  MADem   Jul-21-09 06:21 PM   #106 
  - have you missed the part where gates is going to make money from the publicity for this?  superconnected   Jul-21-09 08:14 PM   #168 
     - I gotta edit my post--you were being sarcastic, yes?  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:27 PM   #172 
     - wow. Are you serious?  fishwax   Jul-21-09 11:21 PM   #193 
  - Unfuckingbelievable.  Starry Messenger   Jul-21-09 04:03 PM   #38 
  - Did he get an apology, and/or an explanation?  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 02:49 PM   #3 
  - Pfft. White folks don't apologize to black folks. We just yell at them for being "tumultuous"....  BlooInBloo   Jul-21-09 02:51 PM   #4 
     - Anyone else know if he got an apology, and/or an explanation?  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:06 PM   #7 
        - Here is the PD statement to the press  JonLP24   Jul-21-09 03:14 PM   #13 
           - Thanks.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:31 PM   #21 
           - The officer has not apologized. Gates has asked for an apology.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:20 PM   #84 
              - The officer should apologize.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 06:50 PM   #114 
  - GOOO SKIP!!!  Karenina   Jul-21-09 02:53 PM   #5 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-21-09 03:08 PM   #8 
  - Wait, I remember something. Is he one of the "senseis" in this Linux ad?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-21-09 03:11 PM   #10 
  - Of course he is, but the real problem..  TreasonousBastard   Jul-21-09 03:12 PM   #11 
  - I posted this last night, and it is simple. "Don't hassle a cop that is responding  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:19 PM   #16 
  - If that photo above is any indication, he didn't take your advice.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:34 PM   #23 
  - Um, he's already cuffed in that photo. And you don't know what, if anything, he is saying  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:31 PM   #88 
  - That's sensible advice, I guess....but  Demoiselle   Jul-21-09 03:37 PM   #27 
  - You hit on a good point there. Cops seem to be the biggest pussies in the world.  ieoeja   Jul-21-09 04:13 PM   #48 
  - I can yell at them all I want.  ieoeja   Jul-21-09 04:05 PM   #40 
  - Bullshit.  Iowa   Jul-21-09 05:04 PM   #72 
  - Gates did comply with the request. No evidence, even in the police report,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:39 PM   #92 
  - Nonsense. Where do you get these crazy ideas.  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 09:47 PM   #188 
     - Full marks--right on the money!  MADem   Jul-21-09 10:05 PM   #189 
  - From the reports I have seen, he was not meek as a lamb, but so what?  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:31 PM   #20 
  - Well, this is a life lesson for you. Don't give shit to the Cambridge police.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:36 PM   #26 
  - Yeah, otherwise they'll have to go to more sensitivity training, which is in their future. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:40 PM   #30 
  - Perhaps...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 04:03 PM   #39 
     - Probable. The mayor plans on apologizing personally, and has asked for a full investigation  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:30 PM   #51 
        - Christ, the cop apologista NEVER gets it, does it? n/t  Occulus   Jul-21-09 04:56 PM   #64 
           - I guess not.  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:33 PM   #89 
           - For one who has respect for the police you seem sho ready to lynch one.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:51 PM   #115 
              - Nice use of language, there. "Lynch?" That couldn't have been accidental or incidental, now could  MADem   Jul-21-09 06:58 PM   #120 
                 - I chose my words carefully to illustrate a point.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:06 PM   #125 
                    - You chose your words carefully in an effort to be a board disruptor.  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:31 PM   #138 
                       - Please, everybody look at me.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:35 PM   #146 
                          - I was there to hear the mayor, the AG and others say that this was a  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:43 PM   #152 
                             - Maybe you think I should move out of state as well?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:57 PM   #158 
                                - I think you should take your own advice. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:02 PM   #162 
                                   - Well, I won't be doing that anytime soon.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:08 PM   #165 
           - I am neither a cop or Professor apologista...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:49 PM   #113 
  - Not really. There's no evidence he gave them "shit" before they cuffed him.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:42 PM   #95 
     - There seems to be a small misunderstanding that  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:00 PM   #123 
        - This guy HAD completed his business as soon as he saw two forms of ID.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:55 PM   #157 
  - How many reports did you see? By whom were they written? Did you see Gates'side,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:36 PM   #90 
     - He admits he yelled (as much as he was able) once. He had bronchitis at the time.  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:55 PM   #98 
        - When I read a thread, I hit View All and read top to bottom, responding as I go. We'll both have  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:35 PM   #110 
        - My point remains that it doesn't matter if he conducted the entire conversation  MADem   Jul-21-09 06:44 PM   #112 
           - I understand your point. But he did not do that, so why make it sound worse than it was?  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:58 PM   #159 
              - Who is "making it sound worse?" What's worse is that the police officer  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:10 PM   #166 
                 - Nope. Not against the law. But only the police report says that he yelled. he denies it, and he  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:30 PM   #174 
                    - He acknowledged that he raised his voice (as much as he was able--he had bronchitis)  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:38 PM   #176 
        - From one of the links you gave:  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:17 PM   #170 
           - From the Globe article:  MADem   Jul-21-09 09:02 PM   #183 
  - The cop went the Alpha Male JACKASS route  Karenina   Jul-21-09 03:33 PM   #22 
  - I would not character Gates as slightly disabled. He limps quite noticeably. He may or may not be  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:48 PM   #96 
     - I wonder if "WonderCop"  Karenina   Jul-21-09 06:24 PM   #107 
        - I'm guessing they were. He was on the phone with the maintenance company  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:35 PM   #145 
  - Because no one should ever post on a message board based on news stories and  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:51 PM   #97 
     - Post all you want, even about things...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-21-09 11:16 PM   #192 
  - I hope Mr. Gates  ellie   Jul-21-09 03:15 PM   #14 
  - There can be no doubt he will do that.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:34 PM   #24 
  - I don't think he will, actually.  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:46 PM   #178 
  - He would have to show damages..  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 03:49 PM   #33 
     - How special do you have to be to stand in your own home?  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:44 PM   #60 
     - The police can ask you to produce id  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:09 PM   #76 
        - And he did. Two pieces of ID. They arrested him AFTER he provided it.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:10 PM   #78 
           - We shall see, if he filed out a false report  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:14 PM   #80 
              - I think what happens is these guys are out there too long  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:19 PM   #83 
              - The police report says Gates provided two forms of ID. It also says that  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:02 PM   #101 
     - Spin much? Gates's problem is not the cop did not know Gates is special and  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:58 PM   #99 
  - May I extend my apology, Mr. Gates (Dr. Gates?)  nolabear   Jul-21-09 03:15 PM   #15 
  - I am not sure Professor Gates is going to read this thread. You could probably  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:08 PM   #103 
  - I was nearly arrested once for asking a DEP officer why he was asking for my ID  wordpix2   Jul-21-09 03:29 PM   #19 
  - I think you may have taken "swimming" too literally. "No swumming" usually means don't go in.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:05 PM   #102 
  - Considering we have only one side of the story I'll have to  Panhandle Dem   Jul-21-09 03:55 PM   #36 
  - "This one became personal." And that's why the PD apologized.  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:10 PM   #44 
  - What a pantload. Gates was in his own home, with ID, with his KEYS  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:35 PM   #55 
  - I second what EFerrari said... "What a pantload". n/t  Iowa   Jul-21-09 05:10 PM   #77 
  - We don't have only one side. There was a police report. Bear in mind, too, that when  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:28 PM   #108 
  - I think you got it pretty much right No Elephants.  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 07:31 PM   #137 
  - I'm sorry, but this is a good description of how poorly we train law enforcement.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-23-09 09:24 AM   #214 
  - Plenty of blame to go around  MicaelS   Jul-21-09 04:25 PM   #50 
  - You have no idea how he behaved, do you?  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:31 PM   #52 
  - Sure I do, the words from his mouth at the link  MicaelS   Jul-21-09 04:51 PM   #61 
     - Okay, the driver left. That still leaves you with an older black guy  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:55 PM   #63 
     - A mistake to get angry with cops "on the scene?" On the scene of what? Professor Gates  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:38 PM   #175 
  - If Gates was not famous, he'd be begging for mercy from the D.A.  tj2001   Jul-21-09 04:34 PM   #54 
  - Maybe not. Gates is disputing the cop's assertions. He also said he had bronchitis at the time, so  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:43 PM   #59 
     - "threatening" to speak to his mama outside? That's a threat? Even if true, that's a threat?  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:11 PM   #129 
        - The dialogue almost sounds like caricature. I'm wondering if Officer  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:34 PM   #141 
  - No, they apologized because they didn't have the balls to stand  Panhandle Dem   Jul-21-09 04:53 PM   #62 
  - Nice try, but that's a fail.  Occulus   Jul-21-09 04:58 PM   #66 
  - LOL  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:00 PM   #68 
  - What a load of crap. n/t  Iowa   Jul-21-09 05:15 PM   #81 
  - Welcome to DU "Panhandle Dem". Now for your initiation...  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 05:25 PM   #86 
  - A bigot, eh? Oh really? You don't know a thing about the City of Cambridge.  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:37 PM   #91 
  - lol  fishwax   Jul-21-09 06:20 PM   #105 
  - Gates didn't do any such thing  fishwax   Jul-21-09 06:30 PM   #109 
  - it's good you are in the pan handle  fascisthunter   Jul-22-09 05:33 PM   #206 
  - No shit, Dr. Gates! Where you been?? Oh, I know, tracing  Fire1   Jul-21-09 04:57 PM   #65 
  - He used celebrities because they brought attention to the project.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:02 PM   #69 
  - There is nothing 'the matter with me.' I am well aware of the  Fire1   Jul-21-09 05:28 PM   #87 
     - Dr. Gates has been more effective than anyone else to date  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 06:15 PM   #104 
     - Again, his accomplishments, personal, academic, literary  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:29 PM   #136 
        - LOL. Now he's wrong for making a living?  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 07:34 PM   #142 
        - You have your opinion and I have mine. The essence of  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:40 PM   #148 
        - Marketing for his own personal gain? LOL. what is he supposed to do,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 09:00 PM   #181 
           - In THIS instance he is an opportunist. As long as racial  Fire1   Jul-21-09 09:36 PM   #187 
              - Gates singlehandedly made WEB DuBois's dream  EFerrari   Jul-22-09 12:10 AM   #194 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-22-09 09:24 AM   #196 
     - Because literary and cultural contributions and teaching and being a historian,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:41 PM   #111 
        - I don't believe the stuff I read here.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 06:53 PM   #117 
        - But what contribution have you made to England besides writing,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:07 PM   #126 
           - LOL. I heard that Herodotus guy has a huge ego.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 07:11 PM   #130 
        - Cultural contributions, certainly. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:35 PM   #144 
  - fail  mix   Jul-21-09 07:26 PM   #134 
     - 'fail' with no explanation, means nothing. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:31 PM   #139 
        - FAIL is a BRAND, --it is not meant to enlighten you.  mix   Jul-21-09 07:34 PM   #143 
           - Aka name calling. Gotcha. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:43 PM   #151 
              - No, you are simply not worth arguing with, given the extremeness and ignorance  mix   Jul-21-09 07:53 PM   #155 
                 - The feeling is mutual. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:54 PM   #156 
                    - the feeling is  Moochy   Jul-22-09 09:32 AM   #197 
                       - And it's mutual. n/t  Fire1   Jul-22-09 09:44 AM   #199 
  - I hope he got a wake call for this  Bankhead_ATL   Jul-21-09 05:05 PM   #73 
  - Who? And why do you hope such a thing?  mix   Jul-21-09 07:21 PM   #133 
     - no he said that black men need to not blame everything on the police  Bankhead_ATL   Jul-21-09 08:21 PM   #171 
  - I do not understand people who reflexively side with cops,  mix   Jul-21-09 06:59 PM   #121 
  - You see, I am not really siding with the cops inasmuch as shaking my head  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:16 PM   #169 
     - AT MOST, Gates got angry after the cop failed to leave when ID was presente.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:49 PM   #179 
     - Ah so just a run-of-the-mill contrarian  Moochy   Jul-22-09 09:34 AM   #198 
        - Nope. Whereas I like to have the facts before I come to a conclusion  MUAD_DIB   Jul-22-09 12:56 PM   #202 
           - No, its quite the opposite from the truth  Moochy   Jul-22-09 08:28 PM   #207 
           - Sadly  NashVegas   Jul-23-09 09:47 AM   #215 
  - Somehow I doubt he decided on the documentary _after_this. And so soooon!  superconnected   Jul-21-09 08:11 PM   #167 
  - Shouldn't there be a sarcasm tag in there somewhere? n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 08:28 PM   #173 
  - Yes, and he probably bribed his neighbor to call them. Because it is so hard  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:53 PM   #180 
  - Are you being sarcastic? Or was I too charitable upthread? nt  MADem   Jul-21-09 09:06 PM   #184 
  - He needs to track down the "well meaning" neighbor who alerted the police  marshall   Jul-21-09 09:01 PM   #182 
  - According to the reports, it was a "passer by."  MADem   Jul-21-09 09:08 PM   #185 
  - I thought the issue was that he would not authenticate himself as the homeowner  marshall   Jul-22-09 03:53 PM   #203 
     - That's the cops' story. The problem is, they arrested him AFTER  EFerrari   Jul-22-09 05:23 PM   #205 
     - He showed the guy not one, but TWO forms of ID.  MADem   Jul-22-09 09:52 PM   #208 
        - We can look forward to the book, perhaps more than one, and possible movie  marshall   Jul-22-09 10:56 PM   #209 
           - This guy will surely incorporate this into his academic outreach efforts.  MADem   Jul-23-09 02:18 AM   #211 
  - the neighbor has been identified, and is really a passer-by  kwassa   Jul-21-09 10:09 PM   #190 
     - The prof was INSIDE the house, pulling on the door, while the driver  MADem   Jul-23-09 02:26 AM   #213 
  - And he should be outraged.  Vidar   Jul-21-09 09:35 PM   #186 
  - Considering the reason for arrest, one has to wonder if it was staged  Infinite Hope   Jul-22-09 10:39 AM   #201 
  - No, it wasn't staged, America really is this racist and this stupid.  EFerrari   Jul-22-09 05:20 PM   #204 
     - The point is, it could still be staged...he could have had a neighbor report...  Infinite Hope   Jul-23-09 10:14 AM   #216 
        - Yeah, because "staging" this sort of thing makes so much sense after you've just flown from  MADem   Jul-23-09 10:46 AM   #220 
           - And I agree that's most likely the case. But we don't know with certainty. The only person who do  Infinite Hope   Jul-23-09 01:53 PM   #221 
  - Gates should have called a LOCKSMITH  Mimosa   Jul-23-09 01:55 AM   #210 
     - Gates used his keys to get in through the back door  EFerrari   Jul-23-09 02:21 AM   #212 
     - He was on the phone, calling Harvard Maintenance, when the sergeant  MADem   Jul-23-09 10:43 AM   #219 
 

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