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84. The officer has not apologized. Gates has asked for an apology.
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  -Gates Says He Is Outraged by Arrest at Cambridge Home BlueJessamine  Jul-21-09 02:39 PM   #0 
  - And he puts this mess to constructive use, to help others and to teach.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 02:43 PM   #1 
  - Photo of the arrest, from the article >  Stephanie   Jul-21-09 02:46 PM   #2 
  - Oh, he was just "making a scene"  Occulus   Jul-21-09 02:55 PM   #6 
  - Even if he was just losing it and being argumentative, that's no reason to  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:10 PM   #9 
  - I guess the black cop was a racist as well?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:13 PM   #12 
  - It is no secret that that PD has had a history of racial insensitivity.  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:20 PM   #17 
  - Actually the black cop is there so he is part of the team.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:25 PM   #18 
     - WTF is wrong with you? How many times do I have to tell you "So what?" before it sinks in?  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:38 PM   #28 
     - Law against being a rich / important ass  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 03:48 PM   #32 
     - They arrested him AFTER he provided them with ID. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 03:52 PM   #34 
     - Only question is did he meet the statute's requirement for arrest  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 03:54 PM   #35 
        - Of course he does. He's a black male. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:07 PM   #42 
        - Yeah, that is pretty much not going to fly any more..  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:05 PM   #74 
        - And that is it exactly. IF.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:05 PM   #163 
        - Arrested for being a black person. That's a crime we must punish  JayMusgrove   Jul-22-09 09:46 AM   #200 
        - This is the first thing that came up  JonLP24   Jul-21-09 04:12 PM   #46 
        - I guess that question has been answered now.  Flaneur   Jul-21-09 04:39 PM   #58 
           - DA decides to prosecute..  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:03 PM   #71 
              - Not exactly.  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 07:33 PM   #140 
     - Don't give me "should." It is not against the law to behave like a rich/important ass.  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:00 PM   #37 
     - You really need to relax a bit. If this is how you would behave in front  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 04:08 PM   #43 
     - I'm quite relaxed, thank you.  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:11 PM   #45 
     - You appear anything but...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:57 PM   #119 
        - I don't "appear" at all--do you think you have remote viewing skills, is that it?  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:00 PM   #122 
           - Temper, temper...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:07 PM   #127 
              - You really should try to control yours.  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:38 PM   #147 
                 - I have a life, MADem, and I am in control. ;D  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:42 PM   #150 
                    - Yes, by your comments, it is sadly apparent what kind of pathetic life you have. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:52 PM   #154 
                       - Really? Tell me all about my life.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:00 PM   #161 
     - A good example of Caspar Milquetoast reasoning.  Iowa   Jul-21-09 04:58 PM   #67 
        - I never said that and you very well know it.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:04 PM   #124 
     - All this hollering about how Gates should have behaved. It didn't work too well for  Raschel   Jul-23-09 03:16 PM   #222 
     - In all likelihood, he was polite, at least at first.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:11 PM   #79 
     - There is nothing wrong with me. What is wrong with you?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 04:05 PM   #41 
     - Again, getting personal is the sign of a failed argument. I am not "over agitated,"  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:13 PM   #47 
     - Well, then you failed a few arguments back. ;D  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:53 PM   #116 
        - I think you are the one who needs to take your show on the road--far, far away. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:12 PM   #131 
     - If a cop is in my living room, acting like a jerk when I have done nonthing more than come  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:17 PM   #82 
        - Guess what the cop's name was? Drum roll.....and no, I am not kidding!  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:40 PM   #94 
        - Now that deserves a Drumroll~  goclark   Jul-23-09 10:21 AM   #217 
        - Sigh...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:56 PM   #118 
           - Show us where he "hassled" the cop? You haven't made your case.  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:09 PM   #128 
              - Laughs all around, MADem...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:16 PM   #132 
                 - If you weren't there, then, by YOUR argument, you should just hush up, now, shouldn't you?  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:27 PM   #135 
                    - Now, now, MADem. Can you ease up on the reactionary posts?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:40 PM   #149 
                       - Now, now, board disruptor, could you ease up on the "right up to the line"  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:50 PM   #153 
                       - You weren't there either, but you have a TV. Good for you.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:58 PM   #160 
                       - Now that's really objective. How about "If the cop hassled a well-dressed.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:06 PM   #164 
                          - Well...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:39 PM   #177 
     - Well said! n/t  Iowa   Jul-21-09 04:32 PM   #53 
     - I get the feeling you would know quite a bit about being an a-hole.  Flaneur   Jul-21-09 04:38 PM   #57 
  - why do you say that?  fishwax   Jul-21-09 03:35 PM   #25 
  - It was a response of Sarcasm...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:38 PM   #29 
     - it's an easy epithet to throw around, but there's no evidence Gates was doing that  fishwax   Jul-21-09 03:45 PM   #31 
  - Cops is cops. They're not black or white, they're blue.  Flaneur   Jul-21-09 04:36 PM   #56 
  - Four Things: You are seeing the end of the incident. All of these cops were not involved at first  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:03 PM   #70 
  - Bingo!  jonestonesusa   Jul-22-09 02:24 AM   #195 
  - It would be wise to listen to NWA as they elucidate on this subject  EndersDame   Jul-21-09 11:00 PM   #191 
  - We all know a black cop could never ever be racist against another black man..  Winterblues   Jul-23-09 10:38 AM   #218 
  - Once it becomes accepted that one can't speak one's mind to a cop -- short of physical agression --  DesertDiamond   Jul-21-09 04:20 PM   #49 
     - I 'm going to kill you (communicating a threat)  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:06 PM   #75 
     - The police report does not say that Gates threatened the cop, though. And you can bet it  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:23 PM   #85 
        - My response was to the poster who said you should be able to say anything  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:40 PM   #93 
           - Point taken. So actual verbal threats, I would agree. However, in my view the definition of "threat"  DesertDiamond   Jul-21-09 06:01 PM   #100 
     - It's pretty plain that this cop did not like the professor's "tone."  MADem   Jul-21-09 06:21 PM   #106 
  - have you missed the part where gates is going to make money from the publicity for this?  superconnected   Jul-21-09 08:14 PM   #168 
     - I gotta edit my post--you were being sarcastic, yes?  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:27 PM   #172 
     - wow. Are you serious?  fishwax   Jul-21-09 11:21 PM   #193 
  - Unfuckingbelievable.  Starry Messenger   Jul-21-09 04:03 PM   #38 
  - Did he get an apology, and/or an explanation?  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 02:49 PM   #3 
  - Pfft. White folks don't apologize to black folks. We just yell at them for being "tumultuous"....  BlooInBloo   Jul-21-09 02:51 PM   #4 
     - Anyone else know if he got an apology, and/or an explanation?  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:06 PM   #7 
        - Here is the PD statement to the press  JonLP24   Jul-21-09 03:14 PM   #13 
           - Thanks.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:31 PM   #21 
           - The officer has not apologized. Gates has asked for an apology.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:20 PM   #84 
              - The officer should apologize.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 06:50 PM   #114 
  - GOOO SKIP!!!  Karenina   Jul-21-09 02:53 PM   #5 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-21-09 03:08 PM   #8 
  - Wait, I remember something. Is he one of the "senseis" in this Linux ad?  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Jul-21-09 03:11 PM   #10 
  - Of course he is, but the real problem..  TreasonousBastard   Jul-21-09 03:12 PM   #11 
  - I posted this last night, and it is simple. "Don't hassle a cop that is responding  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:19 PM   #16 
  - If that photo above is any indication, he didn't take your advice.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:34 PM   #23 
  - Um, he's already cuffed in that photo. And you don't know what, if anything, he is saying  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:31 PM   #88 
  - That's sensible advice, I guess....but  Demoiselle   Jul-21-09 03:37 PM   #27 
  - You hit on a good point there. Cops seem to be the biggest pussies in the world.  ieoeja   Jul-21-09 04:13 PM   #48 
  - I can yell at them all I want.  ieoeja   Jul-21-09 04:05 PM   #40 
  - Bullshit.  Iowa   Jul-21-09 05:04 PM   #72 
  - Gates did comply with the request. No evidence, even in the police report,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:39 PM   #92 
  - Nonsense. Where do you get these crazy ideas.  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 09:47 PM   #188 
     - Full marks--right on the money!  MADem   Jul-21-09 10:05 PM   #189 
  - From the reports I have seen, he was not meek as a lamb, but so what?  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:31 PM   #20 
  - Well, this is a life lesson for you. Don't give shit to the Cambridge police.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 03:36 PM   #26 
  - Yeah, otherwise they'll have to go to more sensitivity training, which is in their future. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 03:40 PM   #30 
  - Perhaps...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 04:03 PM   #39 
     - Probable. The mayor plans on apologizing personally, and has asked for a full investigation  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:30 PM   #51 
        - Christ, the cop apologista NEVER gets it, does it? n/t  Occulus   Jul-21-09 04:56 PM   #64 
           - I guess not.  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:33 PM   #89 
           - For one who has respect for the police you seem sho ready to lynch one.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:51 PM   #115 
              - Nice use of language, there. "Lynch?" That couldn't have been accidental or incidental, now could  MADem   Jul-21-09 06:58 PM   #120 
                 - I chose my words carefully to illustrate a point.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:06 PM   #125 
                    - You chose your words carefully in an effort to be a board disruptor.  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:31 PM   #138 
                       - Please, everybody look at me.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:35 PM   #146 
                          - I was there to hear the mayor, the AG and others say that this was a  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:43 PM   #152 
                             - Maybe you think I should move out of state as well?  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:57 PM   #158 
                                - I think you should take your own advice. NT  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:02 PM   #162 
                                   - Well, I won't be doing that anytime soon.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:08 PM   #165 
           - I am neither a cop or Professor apologista...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 06:49 PM   #113 
  - Not really. There's no evidence he gave them "shit" before they cuffed him.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:42 PM   #95 
     - There seems to be a small misunderstanding that  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 07:00 PM   #123 
        - This guy HAD completed his business as soon as he saw two forms of ID.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:55 PM   #157 
  - How many reports did you see? By whom were they written? Did you see Gates'side,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:36 PM   #90 
     - He admits he yelled (as much as he was able) once. He had bronchitis at the time.  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:55 PM   #98 
        - When I read a thread, I hit View All and read top to bottom, responding as I go. We'll both have  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:35 PM   #110 
        - My point remains that it doesn't matter if he conducted the entire conversation  MADem   Jul-21-09 06:44 PM   #112 
           - I understand your point. But he did not do that, so why make it sound worse than it was?  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:58 PM   #159 
              - Who is "making it sound worse?" What's worse is that the police officer  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:10 PM   #166 
                 - Nope. Not against the law. But only the police report says that he yelled. he denies it, and he  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:30 PM   #174 
                    - He acknowledged that he raised his voice (as much as he was able--he had bronchitis)  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:38 PM   #176 
        - From one of the links you gave:  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:17 PM   #170 
           - From the Globe article:  MADem   Jul-21-09 09:02 PM   #183 
  - The cop went the Alpha Male JACKASS route  Karenina   Jul-21-09 03:33 PM   #22 
  - I would not character Gates as slightly disabled. He limps quite noticeably. He may or may not be  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:48 PM   #96 
     - I wonder if "WonderCop"  Karenina   Jul-21-09 06:24 PM   #107 
        - I'm guessing they were. He was on the phone with the maintenance company  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:35 PM   #145 
  - Because no one should ever post on a message board based on news stories and  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:51 PM   #97 
     - Post all you want, even about things...  TreasonousBastard   Jul-21-09 11:16 PM   #192 
  - I hope Mr. Gates  ellie   Jul-21-09 03:15 PM   #14 
  - There can be no doubt he will do that.  timeforpeace   Jul-21-09 03:34 PM   #24 
  - I don't think he will, actually.  MADem   Jul-21-09 08:46 PM   #178 
  - He would have to show damages..  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 03:49 PM   #33 
     - How special do you have to be to stand in your own home?  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:44 PM   #60 
     - The police can ask you to produce id  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:09 PM   #76 
        - And he did. Two pieces of ID. They arrested him AFTER he provided it.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:10 PM   #78 
           - We shall see, if he filed out a false report  Pavulon   Jul-21-09 05:14 PM   #80 
              - I think what happens is these guys are out there too long  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:19 PM   #83 
              - The police report says Gates provided two forms of ID. It also says that  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:02 PM   #101 
     - Spin much? Gates's problem is not the cop did not know Gates is special and  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 05:58 PM   #99 
  - May I extend my apology, Mr. Gates (Dr. Gates?)  nolabear   Jul-21-09 03:15 PM   #15 
  - I am not sure Professor Gates is going to read this thread. You could probably  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:08 PM   #103 
  - I was nearly arrested once for asking a DEP officer why he was asking for my ID  wordpix2   Jul-21-09 03:29 PM   #19 
  - I think you may have taken "swimming" too literally. "No swumming" usually means don't go in.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:05 PM   #102 
  - Considering we have only one side of the story I'll have to  Panhandle Dem   Jul-21-09 03:55 PM   #36 
  - "This one became personal." And that's why the PD apologized.  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:10 PM   #44 
  - What a pantload. Gates was in his own home, with ID, with his KEYS  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:35 PM   #55 
  - I second what EFerrari said... "What a pantload". n/t  Iowa   Jul-21-09 05:10 PM   #77 
  - We don't have only one side. There was a police report. Bear in mind, too, that when  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:28 PM   #108 
  - I think you got it pretty much right No Elephants.  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 07:31 PM   #137 
  - I'm sorry, but this is a good description of how poorly we train law enforcement.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-23-09 09:24 AM   #214 
  - Plenty of blame to go around  MicaelS   Jul-21-09 04:25 PM   #50 
  - You have no idea how he behaved, do you?  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:31 PM   #52 
  - Sure I do, the words from his mouth at the link  MicaelS   Jul-21-09 04:51 PM   #61 
     - Okay, the driver left. That still leaves you with an older black guy  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 04:55 PM   #63 
     - A mistake to get angry with cops "on the scene?" On the scene of what? Professor Gates  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:38 PM   #175 
  - If Gates was not famous, he'd be begging for mercy from the D.A.  tj2001   Jul-21-09 04:34 PM   #54 
  - Maybe not. Gates is disputing the cop's assertions. He also said he had bronchitis at the time, so  MADem   Jul-21-09 04:43 PM   #59 
     - "threatening" to speak to his mama outside? That's a threat? Even if true, that's a threat?  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:11 PM   #129 
        - The dialogue almost sounds like caricature. I'm wondering if Officer  MADem   Jul-21-09 07:34 PM   #141 
  - No, they apologized because they didn't have the balls to stand  Panhandle Dem   Jul-21-09 04:53 PM   #62 
  - Nice try, but that's a fail.  Occulus   Jul-21-09 04:58 PM   #66 
  - LOL  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:00 PM   #68 
  - What a load of crap. n/t  Iowa   Jul-21-09 05:15 PM   #81 
  - Welcome to DU "Panhandle Dem". Now for your initiation...  Piewhacket   Jul-21-09 05:25 PM   #86 
  - A bigot, eh? Oh really? You don't know a thing about the City of Cambridge.  MADem   Jul-21-09 05:37 PM   #91 
  - lol  fishwax   Jul-21-09 06:20 PM   #105 
  - Gates didn't do any such thing  fishwax   Jul-21-09 06:30 PM   #109 
  - it's good you are in the pan handle  fascisthunter   Jul-22-09 05:33 PM   #206 
  - No shit, Dr. Gates! Where you been?? Oh, I know, tracing  Fire1   Jul-21-09 04:57 PM   #65 
  - He used celebrities because they brought attention to the project.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 05:02 PM   #69 
  - There is nothing 'the matter with me.' I am well aware of the  Fire1   Jul-21-09 05:28 PM   #87 
     - Dr. Gates has been more effective than anyone else to date  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 06:15 PM   #104 
     - Again, his accomplishments, personal, academic, literary  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:29 PM   #136 
        - LOL. Now he's wrong for making a living?  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 07:34 PM   #142 
        - You have your opinion and I have mine. The essence of  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:40 PM   #148 
        - Marketing for his own personal gain? LOL. what is he supposed to do,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 09:00 PM   #181 
           - In THIS instance he is an opportunist. As long as racial  Fire1   Jul-21-09 09:36 PM   #187 
              - Gates singlehandedly made WEB DuBois's dream  EFerrari   Jul-22-09 12:10 AM   #194 
                 - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-22-09 09:24 AM   #196 
     - Because literary and cultural contributions and teaching and being a historian,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 06:41 PM   #111 
        - I don't believe the stuff I read here.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 06:53 PM   #117 
        - But what contribution have you made to England besides writing,  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 07:07 PM   #126 
           - LOL. I heard that Herodotus guy has a huge ego.  EFerrari   Jul-21-09 07:11 PM   #130 
        - Cultural contributions, certainly. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:35 PM   #144 
  - fail  mix   Jul-21-09 07:26 PM   #134 
     - 'fail' with no explanation, means nothing. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:31 PM   #139 
        - FAIL is a BRAND, --it is not meant to enlighten you.  mix   Jul-21-09 07:34 PM   #143 
           - Aka name calling. Gotcha. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:43 PM   #151 
              - No, you are simply not worth arguing with, given the extremeness and ignorance  mix   Jul-21-09 07:53 PM   #155 
                 - The feeling is mutual. n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 07:54 PM   #156 
                    - the feeling is  Moochy   Jul-22-09 09:32 AM   #197 
                       - And it's mutual. n/t  Fire1   Jul-22-09 09:44 AM   #199 
  - I hope he got a wake call for this  Bankhead_ATL   Jul-21-09 05:05 PM   #73 
  - Who? And why do you hope such a thing?  mix   Jul-21-09 07:21 PM   #133 
     - no he said that black men need to not blame everything on the police  Bankhead_ATL   Jul-21-09 08:21 PM   #171 
  - I do not understand people who reflexively side with cops,  mix   Jul-21-09 06:59 PM   #121 
  - You see, I am not really siding with the cops inasmuch as shaking my head  MUAD_DIB   Jul-21-09 08:16 PM   #169 
     - AT MOST, Gates got angry after the cop failed to leave when ID was presente.  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:49 PM   #179 
     - Ah so just a run-of-the-mill contrarian  Moochy   Jul-22-09 09:34 AM   #198 
        - Nope. Whereas I like to have the facts before I come to a conclusion  MUAD_DIB   Jul-22-09 12:56 PM   #202 
           - No, its quite the opposite from the truth  Moochy   Jul-22-09 08:28 PM   #207 
           - Sadly  NashVegas   Jul-23-09 09:47 AM   #215 
  - Somehow I doubt he decided on the documentary _after_this. And so soooon!  superconnected   Jul-21-09 08:11 PM   #167 
  - Shouldn't there be a sarcasm tag in there somewhere? n/t  Fire1   Jul-21-09 08:28 PM   #173 
  - Yes, and he probably bribed his neighbor to call them. Because it is so hard  No Elephants   Jul-21-09 08:53 PM   #180 
  - Are you being sarcastic? Or was I too charitable upthread? nt  MADem   Jul-21-09 09:06 PM   #184 
  - He needs to track down the "well meaning" neighbor who alerted the police  marshall   Jul-21-09 09:01 PM   #182 
  - According to the reports, it was a "passer by."  MADem   Jul-21-09 09:08 PM   #185 
  - I thought the issue was that he would not authenticate himself as the homeowner  marshall   Jul-22-09 03:53 PM   #203 
     - That's the cops' story. The problem is, they arrested him AFTER  EFerrari   Jul-22-09 05:23 PM   #205 
     - He showed the guy not one, but TWO forms of ID.  MADem   Jul-22-09 09:52 PM   #208 
        - We can look forward to the book, perhaps more than one, and possible movie  marshall   Jul-22-09 10:56 PM   #209 
           - This guy will surely incorporate this into his academic outreach efforts.  MADem   Jul-23-09 02:18 AM   #211 
  - the neighbor has been identified, and is really a passer-by  kwassa   Jul-21-09 10:09 PM   #190 
     - The prof was INSIDE the house, pulling on the door, while the driver  MADem   Jul-23-09 02:26 AM   #213 
  - And he should be outraged.  Vidar   Jul-21-09 09:35 PM   #186 
  - Considering the reason for arrest, one has to wonder if it was staged  Infinite Hope   Jul-22-09 10:39 AM   #201 
  - No, it wasn't staged, America really is this racist and this stupid.  EFerrari   Jul-22-09 05:20 PM   #204 
     - The point is, it could still be staged...he could have had a neighbor report...  Infinite Hope   Jul-23-09 10:14 AM   #216 
        - Yeah, because "staging" this sort of thing makes so much sense after you've just flown from  MADem   Jul-23-09 10:46 AM   #220 
           - And I agree that's most likely the case. But we don't know with certainty. The only person who do  Infinite Hope   Jul-23-09 01:53 PM   #221 
  - Gates should have called a LOCKSMITH  Mimosa   Jul-23-09 01:55 AM   #210 
     - Gates used his keys to get in through the back door  EFerrari   Jul-23-09 02:21 AM   #212 
     - He was on the phone, calling Harvard Maintenance, when the sergeant  MADem   Jul-23-09 10:43 AM   #219 
 

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