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imdjh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #92
148. Since there is no statutory right, then those who claim that healthcare is a right...
.... must be claiming that it is a natural or civil right. Since it isn't then at most they could claim that it ought to be.
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  -Healthcare Is "Not a Right" and Obama's Plan Will Cost Way Beyond $1T, Ron Paul Says Ranting_Wacko  Jul-16-09 02:30 PM   #0 
  - It's appalling people like him are in office  KingFlorez   Jul-16-09 02:32 PM   #1 
  - It is more appalling  daysed   Jul-16-09 04:01 PM   #40 
  - Nice martyrdom you got going there, pal...  LanternWaste   Jul-16-09 05:04 PM   #60 
  - And already gone.  Jazzgirl   Jul-16-09 05:57 PM   #81 
     - I noticed too late...  LanternWaste   Jul-16-09 06:04 PM   #83 
     - Good..'cause I'm not in the mood for  Cha   Jul-17-09 09:14 PM   #214 
  - The only" writings of the Founders" that are the law of the land are those embodied in the  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 06:19 PM   #86 
  - Oh just wait- his son "Rand" Paul is running for senate in Kentucky!  depakid   Jul-16-09 07:05 PM   #103 
  - I think its time that Ron experience our emergency health system  lapfog_1   Jul-16-09 02:34 PM   #2 
  - I totally agree..  tridim   Jul-16-09 02:38 PM   #3 
  - Know the difference bewteen "Lord of the Rings" and "Atlas Shrugged"?  unpossibles   Jul-16-09 03:07 PM   #17 
     - that's wonderful  iverglas   Jul-16-09 03:45 PM   #30 
     - Lol I read that on DU not long ago.  Earth Bound Misfit   Jul-16-09 06:14 PM   #85 
     - Ha ha. That's terrific.  Frank Cannon   Jul-16-09 10:18 PM   #147 
     - Although I liked a lot of the message in Atlas Shrugged...  Gray Ponytail   Jul-17-09 03:46 AM   #171 
     - ...  BlancheSplanchnik   Jul-17-09 10:55 AM   #199 
  - No apology needed  stuball111   Jul-16-09 02:51 PM   #12 
  - Take away his Congressional health insurance, and all his money as well  Hugabear   Jul-16-09 04:06 PM   #44 
     - Excellent idea.  Delphinus   Jul-16-09 07:53 PM   #124 
     - I agree  malletgirl02   Jul-16-09 08:23 PM   #134 
        - Some are more "equal" than others. n/t  Gray Ponytail   Jul-17-09 03:48 AM   #172 
  - "Right" or not, access to basic health care makes fiscal sense.  MercutioATC   Jul-16-09 02:39 PM   #4 
  - I would highly disagree  mvd   Jul-16-09 02:42 PM   #5 
  - It's a losing argument, because it's wrong. Healthcare is not a right.  imdjh   Jul-16-09 02:55 PM   #13 
  - To me it is  mvd   Jul-16-09 03:10 PM   #21 
  - imdjh I believe was being cynical ..sarcastic ..he/she forgot the /sarc tag  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 05:04 PM   #61 
  - No, I wasn't.  imdjh   Jul-16-09 05:30 PM   #67 
     - I stand corrected ..but I think we are all in a big war of semantics about rights.  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 05:52 PM   #78 
     - A Constitutional right vs. a statutory right. Both are rights. The only difference is that  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 06:34 PM   #92 
     - Since there is no statutory right, then those who claim that healthcare is a right...  imdjh   Jul-16-09 10:21 PM   #148 
        - Some statutory rights do exist, if you qualify-Medicaid and Medicare. For those  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 05:44 AM   #179 
        - the bottom line is that it's the best way to go  imdjh   Jul-17-09 10:33 AM   #197 
        - According to the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights', Article 25, it is  LeftishBrit   Jul-17-09 10:55 AM   #200 
           - and something I like reminding our American cousins about ;)  iverglas   Jul-17-09 12:02 PM   #206 
     - So a diabetic like me has no right to life?  Joe Bacon   Jul-19-09 09:30 AM   #219 
        - evidently not  dana_b   Jul-19-09 06:02 PM   #225 
           - Dana, I guess once we're out of the womb, it's YOYO time  Joe Bacon   Jul-19-09 09:16 PM   #226 
              - so true!!  dana_b   Jul-19-09 09:39 PM   #227 
  - That doesn't really mean much, though  anigbrowl   Jul-16-09 05:52 PM   #77 
  - The Declaration of Independence does not bestow ANY legal rights on the American  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 06:42 PM   #97 
  - I'm not suggesting that it does  anigbrowl   Jul-16-09 07:17 PM   #107 
     - Your post clearly indicates that you think the Declaration of Independence has some legal force,  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:26 PM   #111 
        - No it doesn't, and I don't think that.  anigbrowl   Jul-16-09 07:31 PM   #115 
           - I had read the post to which you were responding. And your post 77 speaks for itself  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:33 PM   #116 
              - I cannot help you with your reading deficiency  anigbrowl   Jul-16-09 07:45 PM   #121 
                 - I read the entire thread up to post 77 before I replied to post 77. That has nothing to do  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:02 PM   #126 
  - But that's where there's a vague picture  mvd   Jul-16-09 07:52 PM   #123 
     - There is no right to food or shelter in the Constitution. The Constitution empowers  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:11 PM   #131 
        - True, the Declaration and Constitution are two different things  mvd   Jul-17-09 01:46 AM   #165 
           - Not the right to food shelter or health care, you can't. You can say they're  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 06:55 AM   #181 
  - To me, unclogged roads are a right . I'm not holding my breath.  Gray Ponytail   Jul-17-09 04:00 AM   #175 
  - Health care is not only a human right, it's a public health necessity.  EFerrari   Jul-16-09 04:09 PM   #49 
  - The first duty of government is not to keep the populace safe.  imdjh   Jul-16-09 05:47 PM   #75 
     - I disagree and most nations of the world would disagree with you as well. Why does a country pay  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 06:50 PM   #98 
     - Yes, the first duty of government is to keep the populace safe.  EFerrari   Jul-16-09 06:56 PM   #100 
  - Who decides what is a right and what isn't?  FiveGoodMen   Jul-16-09 04:37 PM   #53 
  - All the civil rights have one thing in common- they do not enslave others.  imdjh   Jul-16-09 05:51 PM   #76 
  - Giving me a right to health care does not require enslaving anyone. And it's closer  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:07 PM   #104 
  - healthcare does not enslave anyone.  dysfunctional press   Jul-16-09 07:35 PM   #118 
  - In this country, the Constitution of the United States, chiefly, the Bill of Rights, as enacted  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:01 PM   #102 
     - I would remind you that our Declaration of Independence  FiveGoodMen   Jul-16-09 07:24 PM   #110 
        - Do you mean "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? " If not, to which  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 09:32 PM   #140 
  - Health care is not a Constitutional right, at least, not yet. But making it  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 06:30 PM   #90 
  - whatever a society defines as a "right" is a "right" for that society.  dysfunctional press   Jul-16-09 07:34 PM   #117 
     - Most people in this country seem to believe that more affordable health  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 09:50 PM   #143 
     - "...or get booted out of office, to be replaced by people who will enact it. "  dysfunctional press   Jul-16-09 11:21 PM   #153 
        - ....  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 12:41 AM   #160 
     - that's a good example of tyranny of the majority, which the Constitution protects us from  Psephos   Jul-16-09 10:03 PM   #145 
        - when the constitution was written- owning slaves WAS a right.  dysfunctional press   Jul-16-09 11:19 PM   #152 
        - In 18th Century America, it was a grim reality, but not a Constitutional right  Psephos   Jul-17-09 12:18 AM   #158 
           - No, owning slaves was not a Constitutional right. However, neither was the right to be free of  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 01:20 AM   #164 
              - it's actually in response to the idea that whatever "society" currently favors turns into a "right"  Psephos   Jul-17-09 01:54 AM   #166 
                 - I am aware that the language Paul mangled is from the D of I. I have posted that a number of times  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 02:50 AM   #167 
                    - Paul is mangling the 5th Amendment  SOS   Jul-17-09 11:08 AM   #203 
                    - I wasn't circling some theory, I was responding to someone else before you jumped in  Psephos   Jul-17-09 10:55 PM   #215 
        - The Constitution limits the powers of the federal government (in theory, anyway).  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 12:58 AM   #162 
        - Prohibition?  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 07:01 AM   #183 
  - ..and add that we now have the technology and institutions we did not have then.  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 05:01 PM   #59 
  - Life is not a right.  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:12 PM   #105 
  - Our country was founded on the belief that it is.  FiveGoodMen   Jul-16-09 07:45 PM   #120 
     - LOLOL I set myself against the founders of this nation by saying the D of I  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:45 PM   #137 
        - our founding docs were written by land-owning white males, FOR land-owning white males...  dysfunctional press   Jul-16-09 11:30 PM   #155 
           - You're quite wrong on that  Psephos   Jul-17-09 12:39 AM   #159 
              - I am entitled to believe that  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 01:13 AM   #163 
              - acrually, no- i'm not.  dysfunctional press   Jul-17-09 07:01 AM   #182 
  - Since when?  Gray Ponytail   Jul-17-09 03:55 AM   #173 
     - The Constitution does not give us a right to life. Being born alive gives us life, if only  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 06:41 AM   #180 
  - Also - he's a physician. They take an oath to help people.  Avalux   Jul-16-09 02:43 PM   #6 
  - "Not a right" ... says a man with a tax-payer funded, gold-plated health care plan!  BattyDem   Jul-16-09 02:45 PM   #7 
  - People that make alot of money do not earn it.  RandomThoughts   Jul-16-09 02:46 PM   #8 
  - Well, Mr. Paul, you should be the first to give up your taxpayer-paid socialized healthcare then.  truthisfreedom   Jul-16-09 02:47 PM   #9 
  - Yep, you first, Paul honey. . .  DinahMoeHum   Jul-16-09 03:41 PM   #27 
  - Constitution  stuball111   Jul-16-09 02:47 PM   #10 
  - The problem is  Ben78   Jul-16-09 05:40 PM   #69 
  - Socialized?  stuball111   Jul-16-09 05:54 PM   #80 
  - "Mythbusting Canadian Health Care"  iverglas   Jul-16-09 07:26 PM   #112 
  - **universal** health insurance is working just fine in Canada, ta  iverglas   Jul-16-09 07:28 PM   #113 
  - And that's  stuball111   Jul-17-09 12:03 AM   #156 
  - Too true  LeftishBrit   Jul-17-09 11:00 AM   #201 
  - Other posters pretty much covered it, but  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 07:29 AM   #184 
  - The Constitution does not say what Paul says .  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:43 PM   #119 
     - Nobody with half a brain  stuball111   Jul-17-09 12:07 AM   #157 
        - No, that is not what it says. Please see Reply ##'s 150 and 174.  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 07:40 AM   #185 
  - I'm sorry, but Ron Paul is a whack job. If you were to carry his position  Vinca   Jul-16-09 02:48 PM   #11 
  - in fact, he shouldn't even be in government  fascisthunter   Jul-17-09 03:46 PM   #211 
  - I've heard there is an embarassing film clip of Paul in a hotel room  endarkenment   Jul-16-09 02:56 PM   #14 
  - Apparantly  Libertas1776   Jul-16-09 03:01 PM   #16 
  - An interview on Austrian Economics  Ben78   Jul-16-09 05:53 PM   #79 
  - Sorry, but Ron Paul is not "spreading the Constitution." He clearly does  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:19 PM   #108 
  - Here you go...  Earth Bound Misfit   Jul-16-09 06:42 PM   #96 
  - Says a man under CongressCare. What a tool.  tekisui   Jul-16-09 03:00 PM   #15 
  - Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  TheCML   Jul-16-09 03:13 PM   #22 
  - So I guess you won't mind if we take yours away, then, Ronnie?  sutz12   Jul-16-09 03:08 PM   #18 
  - ... Said the guy ...  Kweli4Real   Jul-16-09 03:09 PM   #19 
  - that's libertarians for ya: everyone likes them when they attack war, torture, the War on Drugs  MisterP   Jul-16-09 03:09 PM   #20 
  - ...among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness...  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-16-09 03:16 PM   #23 
  - Good point  mvd   Jul-16-09 03:24 PM   #24 
  - It's not a right if a stranger is required to give up something  Abq_Sarah   Jul-16-09 03:43 PM   #28 
  - dictionaries are fun  iverglas   Jul-16-09 03:58 PM   #39 
     - How it works  Abq_Sarah   Jul-16-09 06:29 PM   #89 
        - how's about this  iverglas   Jul-16-09 07:20 PM   #109 
        - Straw man. A right to health care does not equal a right to a kidney, or even  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:50 PM   #122 
  - That comes from the Declaration, not the Constitution - just pointing that out.  Political Heretic   Jul-16-09 03:52 PM   #32 
  - You are correct ..but it was the basis of the Constitution.. as I know it.  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 04:56 PM   #57 
  - No, it really wasn't. Obviously, if we did not declare our independence from  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:55 PM   #125 
     - You cannot declare the Declaration meaningless ..its the very soul of this country. nt  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 08:05 PM   #128 
        - I never declared it meaningless. Again, why do you seek to put words in  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:36 PM   #136 
           - "Give me Liberty or give me Death..."  Art_from_Ark   Jul-16-09 09:23 PM   #139 
           - Absolutely. Thank you ..  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 08:17 AM   #188 
           - I am just following your logic. I understand your point.  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 09:56 PM   #144 
              - Ah, now we are on the same page. I think I have other posts on this thread that  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 08:28 AM   #190 
                 - Well noted thanks and sorry for not being clearer. nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 08:56 PM   #212 
  - Thank you. About time someone posted that.  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:16 PM   #106 
  - Sorry I must have read your mind and posted the almost exact same thing below. nt  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 04:54 PM   #56 
  - That is rhetoric from the Declaration of Independence, which was drafted  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 07:29 PM   #114 
     - The Declaration of Independence is rhetoric?  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 08:10 PM   #130 
        - Why are you twisting? Nothing is wrong with rhetoric. It can be hot air, but it also  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:15 PM   #132 
           - because these days it means spin like liberal means weak. nt  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 08:20 PM   #133 
              - Not really.  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 07:43 AM   #186 
                 - It gets used in a derogatory sense all the time..  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 09:07 PM   #213 
  - Because he can afford healthcare.  bamacrat   Jul-16-09 03:31 PM   #25 
  - And IIRC, 4 out of 5 people who went bankrupt because of catastrophic illness(es) HAD INSURANCE.  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 07:58 AM   #187 
  - What is a "right"  daysed   Jul-16-09 03:38 PM   #26 
  - Again, I would disagree with that argument  mvd   Jul-16-09 03:45 PM   #29 
  - No, it is denial of service...  daysed   Jul-16-09 03:55 PM   #34 
     - not this John Pilger, I guess?  iverglas   Jul-16-09 04:03 PM   #41 
     - Sorry, sorry...to many names in my head  daysed   Jul-16-09 04:07 PM   #45 
     - Sorry, that's just not how I interpret it  mvd   Jul-16-09 04:04 PM   #42 
     - Well, explain your interpretation...  daysed   Jul-16-09 04:07 PM   #46 
        - Your interpretation is just wrong.  mvd   Jul-16-09 04:09 PM   #47 
     - uh, you meant  iverglas   Jul-16-09 04:09 PM   #48 
     - You can of course direct us towards a dynamic, expansive culture  LanternWaste   Jul-16-09 05:11 PM   #64 
  - Guys, that phrase is from the DECLARATION, not the Constitution.  Political Heretic   Jul-16-09 03:51 PM   #31 
  - Fully understood... but as you said no less important. nt  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 05:00 PM   #58 
  - a right is what a society decides is a right  iverglas   Jul-16-09 03:53 PM   #33 
  - Agreed; when conservatives use parts of the Declaration or..  mvd   Jul-16-09 03:57 PM   #37 
  - the phrase "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".  bat country   Jul-16-09 03:57 PM   #38 
  - It is considered to be a founding document  daysed   Jul-16-09 04:04 PM   #43 
  - well, I consider it to be a nice bit of parchment  iverglas   Jul-16-09 04:10 PM   #50 
  - thx..nt  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 05:06 PM   #63 
  - If you are trying to say that the Constitution was not designed to stand alone,  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:24 PM   #135 
  - Declaration of Independence is a mission statement.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-17-09 09:02 AM   #191 
  - Oh please just f*ck off and die.  lapfog_1   Jul-16-09 05:05 PM   #62 
  - Um, they changed the phrase.  Hissyspit   Jul-16-09 08:05 PM   #127 
  - The Constitution says nothing about inalienable rights. And yes, law can and does  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 08:07 PM   #129 
  - and a nut ball shall lead them. nt  xchrom   Jul-16-09 03:56 PM   #35 
  - paul is an ass...  Javaman   Jul-16-09 03:56 PM   #36 
  - The American people have the right to same health care Congress gets  IndianaGreen   Jul-16-09 04:20 PM   #51 
  - But Liberty IS a Right  insidejoke   Jul-16-09 04:21 PM   #52 
  - I agree.  alstephenson   Jul-16-09 05:37 PM   #68 
  - The Constitution gives us certain freedoms and rights, but not a right to  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 09:46 PM   #142 
     - No, I Mean  insidejoke   Jul-17-09 12:50 AM   #161 
        - No. For more on the 5th, please see Reply ##'s 150 and 174, especially 174..  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 10:18 AM   #195 
           - But I Think You're Missing What I'm Saying  insidejoke   Jul-17-09 12:41 PM   #207 
  - Ron Paul is far right.  damntexdem   Jul-16-09 04:41 PM   #54 
  - "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"  wroberts189   Jul-16-09 04:53 PM   #55 
  - The Preamble too and Ninth Amendment of The Constitution; for which Paul swore to uphold and defend  Uncle Joe   Jul-16-09 05:12 PM   #65 
  - glad to see that  iverglas   Jul-16-09 05:44 PM   #72 
  - I envy your health care system and the lack of stress associated with it.  Uncle Joe   Jul-16-09 05:46 PM   #74 
  - We..people....in order to promote the general welfare...establish the Constitution.  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 09:04 PM   #138 
     - "That does not give a right to health care."  iverglas   Jul-17-09 09:11 AM   #193 
  - New visitor  Ben78   Jul-16-09 05:19 PM   #66 
  - I say that there is much we disagree on.  alstephenson   Jul-16-09 05:42 PM   #70 
  - Freedom and Slavery  Ben78   Jul-16-09 06:57 PM   #101 
  - I agree with most all of your comments but I do believe the American People are best served and  Uncle Joe   Jul-16-09 05:43 PM   #71 
  - The economy is in crisis already.  Ben78   Jul-16-09 06:38 PM   #94 
     - I believe the long existing dysfunctional for profit  Uncle Joe   Jul-17-09 11:11 AM   #204 
  - well I'm just a foreigner  iverglas   Jul-16-09 05:46 PM   #73 
  - I think you'll be disappointed  anigbrowl   Jul-16-09 06:08 PM   #84 
  - Collectivism  Ben78   Jul-16-09 06:33 PM   #91 
  - Not to be mean, I'm a LEFT-Libertarian, and I think you RIGHT-Libertarians are corporate suckers.  Odin2005   Jul-16-09 06:39 PM   #95 
  - I agree, Odin, the American People have representation from the government,  Uncle Joe   Jul-17-09 11:29 AM   #205 
  - Bingo! You got it!  Odin2005   Jul-17-09 02:26 PM   #209 
  - very well put n/t  subcomhd   Jul-19-09 12:23 AM   #218 
  - I recommend you read the rules of the board. People who believe in the principles of the  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 09:38 PM   #141 
  - Short answer (getting to the bottom line) is: proably not.  Political Heretic   Jul-16-09 11:15 PM   #151 
     - I'm sticking with the rules of the board.  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 04:20 AM   #178 
  - Maybe we will have to start over and write it into our Constitution like  foginthemorn   Jul-16-09 06:03 PM   #82 
  - Paul is wrong that healthcare is not a right, but he might be correct on the program's cost  brentspeak   Jul-16-09 06:19 PM   #87 
  - i don't think anyone thinks a UHC program would be cheap...  Blue_Tires   Jul-17-09 08:25 AM   #189 
  - I Understand that Originally the Wording Was Life, Liberty, and Property  On the Road   Jul-16-09 06:28 PM   #88 
  - Not really. Please see  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 10:12 PM   #146 
  - Randoid lunatic who swallows Austrian School swill daily.  Odin2005   Jul-16-09 06:36 PM   #93 
  - Go back to the blimp, Ron.  Arkana   Jul-16-09 06:55 PM   #99 
  - Gee, let me think.  Boddingham   Jul-16-09 10:49 PM   #149 
  - We have a right to "pursue" it. Like happiness.  Gray Ponytail   Jul-17-09 03:29 AM   #170 
  - Pursue what? And you have to work for health? Interesting. Working gets rid of birth defects?  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 04:06 AM   #176 
  - so then we the people decide, don't we  fascisthunter   Jul-17-09 10:17 AM   #194 
  - Horrifying and appalling that a man who ran for both Congress  No Elephants   Jul-16-09 11:15 PM   #150 
  - You are definitely a constitutional scholar in the making!  Boddingham   Jul-16-09 11:23 PM   #154 
  - Thank you very much. A few on this thread seem to have a real interest in  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 02:55 AM   #168 
  - Okay, I think I see where Paul may have been coming from, but he did misrepresent--unless  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 03:57 AM   #174 
  - Technically, he is correct. n/t  Gray Ponytail   Jul-17-09 03:26 AM   #169 
  - About what?  No Elephants   Jul-17-09 04:09 AM   #177 
  - It IS a right in Canada. And Britain. And even *gasp* Cuba.  LynnTheDem   Jul-17-09 09:03 AM   #192 
  - only rich apply... all the rest can go to hell  fascisthunter   Jul-17-09 10:19 AM   #196 
  - He's a monster - and the fact that he's a doctor makes it even worse!  LeftishBrit   Jul-17-09 10:46 AM   #198 
  - Ron Paul is not the president of anything  undeterred   Jul-17-09 11:05 AM   #202 
  - Message to Ron Paul: Shut the Fuck up!  Xenotime   Jul-17-09 01:29 PM   #208 
  - That is what my ex-wife used to tell me.  Boddingham   Jul-19-09 12:20 AM   #217 
  - Healthcare Is "Not a Right"?? FUCK YOU RON PAUL...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-17-09 02:47 PM   #210 
  - There are enumerated rights that cost the government money, which comes from taxes.  Boddingham   Jul-18-09 11:14 PM   #216 
  - Who let the Republitarians and Free-Market Water Carriers in here?  HughBeaumont   Jul-19-09 12:22 PM   #220 
  - Fuck Ron Paul.  avaistheone1   Jul-19-09 12:26 PM   #221 
  - using Paul's logic, clean air isn't a right, either  Blue_Tires   Jul-19-09 02:13 PM   #222 
  - The one thing he's right about is  Zavulon   Jul-19-09 03:23 PM   #223 
  - Right to life, eh Mr Paul?  Deja Q   Jul-19-09 03:50 PM   #224 
 

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