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Mon Jul-13-09 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #10 |
| 19. it's beyond imperialism now |
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Ireland was the only colony that Britain seriously attempted to integrate into the metropolitan UK, but like Algeria was for France, this proved to be a huge failure.
The artificially-defined six county rump statelet was merely putting off the inevitable. The British people (English, Scots, and Welsh) see N.I. as a foreign land and have supported Irish unity against the policies of the British political class.
The religious hatred which was fostered by the local N.I. political élite with historical backing by London proved to be a huge contradiction for British policy. Religious apartheid helped tie the protestant majority to the 'benefits' of the union (socio-economic dominance over local catholics) thus preserving the territoriality of the British state, whilst making NI's social and civic integration into the UK impossible.
Westminster has realised the failure of this integration. Power-sharing in NI is seen as an inevitable route to Irish unity, and political unionism can only tactically delay but cannot reverse this course.
Most importantly of all, with the abandonment of institutionalised discrimination against Roman Catholics any supposed benefits of retaining the British union become more difficult to argue for.
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| -Belfast Catholics riot over Protestant parade |
Scurrilous |
Jul-13-09 04:49 PM |
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that makes it to appear to be not a truce, but that the protestants won? |
angstlessk |
Jul-13-09 04:54 PM |
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No one won, everyone lost. |
Jackeens |
Jul-13-09 07:43 PM |
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The violence was mindless, but the Orange Order shouldn't be marching through Catholic areas... |
Jackeens |
Jul-13-09 04:55 PM |
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But it's TRADITIONAL provocation. Anyway, why d'ye think they're called "Provos." |
TygrBright |
Jul-13-09 05:14 PM |
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Catholics vs Protestants, Sunni vs Shia. Ain't religion grand? nt |
Speck Tater |
Jul-13-09 05:12 PM |
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But the funny thing is.....it has next to nothing to with religion. |
Jackeens |
Jul-13-09 07:32 PM |
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Isn't there some degree of very old ethnic conflict, too? |
amandabeech |
Jul-13-09 10:49 PM |
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Yes. |
Ignis |
Jul-14-09 12:16 PM |
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As to war over transubstantiation, stranger things have happened. |
amandabeech |
Jul-14-09 12:22 PM |
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Heh, true enough: |
Ignis |
Jul-14-09 01:14 PM |
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What's that? |
amandabeech |
Jul-14-09 10:13 PM |
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What a mess. |
amandabeech |
Jul-13-09 05:21 PM |
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Irish people should be smarter and better than this crap |
Bryn |
Jul-13-09 05:43 PM |
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In Leon Uris' book "Trinity" there's a quote |
Maccagirl |
Jul-13-09 06:01 PM |
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We're not backward! |
Jackeens |
Jul-13-09 07:35 PM |
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Stop generalizing. What a shameful comment. |
redqueen |
Jul-14-09 12:22 PM |
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Eh, it's not so crazy up close. |
sofa king |
Jul-14-09 11:10 PM |
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more trouble, waring and fighting...over organized religion... |
winyanstaz |
Jul-13-09 06:13 PM |
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The nutjobs will learn... |
snake in the grass |
Jul-13-09 09:28 PM |
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Showing that "God says love thy neighbor" stuff. Classy |
Submariner |
Jul-13-09 07:28 PM |
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If the bloody Brits could get over the fact they're no longer an empire and |
nosmokes |
Jul-13-09 07:31 PM |
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LOL! As an old time southern Nationalist I would love a United Ireland before i die... |
Jackeens |
Jul-13-09 07:43 PM |
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it's beyond imperialism now |
Anarcho-Socialist |
Jul-13-09 09:55 PM |
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Well spoken! |
The abyss |
Jul-13-09 10:02 PM |
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I think you're right. At least, I hope you're right. |
Ignis |
Jul-14-09 12:18 PM |
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Um... then you're all for white, black and yellow people packing up... |
PassingFair |
Jul-14-09 12:37 PM |
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It's not the same IMO. |
redqueen |
Jul-14-09 12:43 PM |
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Only because we annihilated OUR indigenous peoples. |
PassingFair |
Jul-14-09 12:46 PM |
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Playing the “Green card” |
The abyss |
Jul-13-09 07:34 PM |
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No |
Jackeens |
Jul-13-09 07:38 PM |
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My error thanks for your insight. |
The abyss |
Jul-13-09 07:55 PM |
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Oh no, the Cat. and Prot. Irish better not starting this shit again. |
Odin2005 |
Jul-13-09 10:24 PM |
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Real IRA blamed for Belfast riots |
muriel_volestrangler |
Jul-14-09 07:11 AM |
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I figured as much. |
redqueen |
Jul-14-09 12:24 PM |
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