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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:55 PM
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19. it's beyond imperialism now
Ireland was the only colony that Britain seriously attempted to integrate into the metropolitan UK, but like Algeria was for France, this proved to be a huge failure.

The artificially-defined six county rump statelet was merely putting off the inevitable. The British people (English, Scots, and Welsh) see N.I. as a foreign land and have supported Irish unity against the policies of the British political class.

The religious hatred which was fostered by the local N.I. political lite with historical backing by London proved to be a huge contradiction for British policy. Religious apartheid helped tie the protestant majority to the 'benefits' of the union (socio-economic dominance over local catholics) thus preserving the territoriality of the British state, whilst making NI's social and civic integration into the UK impossible.

Westminster has realised the failure of this integration. Power-sharing in NI is seen as an inevitable route to Irish unity, and political unionism can only tactically delay but cannot reverse this course.

Most importantly of all, with the abandonment of institutionalised discrimination against Roman Catholics any supposed benefits of retaining the British union become more difficult to argue for.
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  -Belfast Catholics riot over Protestant parade Scurrilous  Jul-13-09 04:49 PM   #0 
  - that makes it to appear to be not a truce, but that the protestants won?  angstlessk   Jul-13-09 04:54 PM   #1 
  - No one won, everyone lost.  Jackeens   Jul-13-09 07:43 PM   #16 
  - The violence was mindless, but the Orange Order shouldn't be marching through Catholic areas...  Jackeens   Jul-13-09 04:55 PM   #2 
  - But it's TRADITIONAL provocation. Anyway, why d'ye think they're called "Provos."  TygrBright   Jul-13-09 05:14 PM   #4 
  - Catholics vs Protestants, Sunni vs Shia. Ain't religion grand? nt  Speck Tater   Jul-13-09 05:12 PM   #3 
  - But the funny thing has next to nothing to with religion.  Jackeens   Jul-13-09 07:32 PM   #11 
     - Isn't there some degree of very old ethnic conflict, too?  amandabeech   Jul-13-09 10:49 PM   #22 
        - Yes.  Ignis   Jul-14-09 12:16 PM   #24 
           - As to war over transubstantiation, stranger things have happened.  amandabeech   Jul-14-09 12:22 PM   #26 
              - Heh, true enough:  Ignis   Jul-14-09 01:14 PM   #32 
                 - What's that?  amandabeech   Jul-14-09 10:13 PM   #33 
  - What a mess.  amandabeech   Jul-13-09 05:21 PM   #5 
  - Irish people should be smarter and better than this crap  Bryn   Jul-13-09 05:43 PM   #6 
  - In Leon Uris' book "Trinity" there's a quote  Maccagirl   Jul-13-09 06:01 PM   #7 
  - We're not backward!  Jackeens   Jul-13-09 07:35 PM   #13 
  - Stop generalizing. What a shameful comment.  redqueen   Jul-14-09 12:22 PM   #27 
  - Eh, it's not so crazy up close.  sofa king   Jul-14-09 11:10 PM   #34 
  - more trouble, waring and fighting...over organized religion...  winyanstaz   Jul-13-09 06:13 PM   #8 
  - The nutjobs will learn...  snake in the grass   Jul-13-09 09:28 PM   #18 
  - Showing that "God says love thy neighbor" stuff. Classy  Submariner   Jul-13-09 07:28 PM   #9 
  - If the bloody Brits could get over the fact they're no longer an empire and  nosmokes   Jul-13-09 07:31 PM   #10 
  - LOL! As an old time southern Nationalist I would love a United Ireland before i die...  Jackeens   Jul-13-09 07:43 PM   #15 
  - it's beyond imperialism now  Anarcho-Socialist   Jul-13-09 09:55 PM   #19 
  - Well spoken!  The abyss   Jul-13-09 10:02 PM   #20 
  - I think you're right. At least, I hope you're right.  Ignis   Jul-14-09 12:18 PM   #25 
  - Um... then you're all for white, black and yellow people packing up...  PassingFair   Jul-14-09 12:37 PM   #29 
     - It's not the same IMO.  redqueen   Jul-14-09 12:43 PM   #30 
        - Only because we annihilated OUR indigenous peoples.  PassingFair   Jul-14-09 12:46 PM   #31 
  - Playing the Green card  The abyss   Jul-13-09 07:34 PM   #12 
  - No  Jackeens   Jul-13-09 07:38 PM   #14 
     - My error thanks for your insight.  The abyss   Jul-13-09 07:55 PM   #17 
  - Oh no, the Cat. and Prot. Irish better not starting this shit again.  Odin2005   Jul-13-09 10:24 PM   #21 
  - Real IRA blamed for Belfast riots  muriel_volestrangler   Jul-14-09 07:11 AM   #23 
     - I figured as much.  redqueen   Jul-14-09 12:24 PM   #28 

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