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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 11:31 AM
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106. You're welcome. Also, bear in mind that the headline of the story is misleading. The kids have not
been invited back yet.
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  -Swim club offers olive branch after racism allegations(invites kids back) RamboLiberal  Jul-12-09 08:55 PM   #0 
  - How "nice" of them. I heard a class-action suit was filed. Maybe that  babylonsister   Jul-12-09 08:57 PM   #1 
  - I hope they don't get Judge Smales  izquierdista   Jul-12-09 09:17 PM   #5 
  - Self delete. n/t  wisteria   Jul-12-09 10:56 PM   #12 
  - Nope, too late!  wundermaus   Jul-12-09 08:58 PM   #2 
  - To late for what? n/t  wisteria   Jul-12-09 11:24 PM   #16 
  - I need to play that clip every morning!  ejbr   Jul-13-09 06:54 AM   #52 
     - LOL ~  goclark   Jul-13-09 08:01 AM   #80 
  - I wouldn't be in any hurry to accept the invitation.  rurallib   Jul-12-09 08:59 PM   #3 
  - They just reported on this on the local Philly news.  drm604   Jul-12-09 09:03 PM   #4 
  - I think it would be a positive thing to leave it up to the kids. Maybe something even  zonkers   Jul-12-09 09:20 PM   #6 
  - Agreed, zonkers.  bertman   Jul-12-09 09:22 PM   #7 
  - Disagree. Kids are trusting and racists did not shed their racism in a week.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 06:35 AM   #45 
     - Some members were outraged. I am not saying "halt the discrimination probe.  zonkers   Jul-13-09 09:38 AM   #100 
  - In one of the articles  zalinda   Jul-12-09 10:37 PM   #11 
  - Thank you for being brave enough to comment on this article when it isn't the  wisteria   Jul-12-09 11:33 PM   #19 
  - if 65 kids showed up at a pool I was swimming in I would get out and demand my money back.  Devil_Fish   Jul-12-09 11:40 PM   #22 
  - You have a point, people join these small pool clubs to avoid the crowding of the public pools.  wisteria   Jul-13-09 12:20 AM   #30 
  - They had to know how many kids were coming  rocktivity   Jul-13-09 12:59 AM   #35 
  - No shit.  Ian David   Jul-13-09 07:03 AM   # 
  - Right ~ they knew and for safety reasons  goclark   Jul-13-09 08:19 AM   #88 
  - People did not make color based remarks to the water. They did make racial remarks to the kids.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 06:44 AM   #49 
  - I have a child who has problems with crowds.  msanthrope   Jul-12-09 11:56 PM   #25 
  - Does that family have 13 kids? Do the math.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 07:07 AM   #59 
     - They didn't pay 1,900 for a yearly membership. They paid for a few summer sessions. I wouldn't  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 07:19 AM   #66 
     - Ooooookay, Have you ever been to a Christmas Swim in Pa?  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:09 AM   #85 
        - No, but I've enjoyed many balmy days in Spring and Fall. And the club might offer year round event  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:22 AM   #90 
     - Bulk sales often get a discount from the price charged individuals. Besides, this  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:18 AM   #87 
     - No, You do the math. The daycare kids were there for  msanthrope   Jul-13-09 12:03 PM   #111 
        - Have you seen the contract? You are saying they didn't have a membership.  Wizard777   Jul-14-09 07:17 AM   #122 
           - You are deliberately misquoting me because you are losing the  msanthrope   Jul-14-09 12:17 PM   #125 
  - If true, that would have been a reason to storm the office of club's management, not  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 06:42 AM   #48 
  - Two of the reasons that people did not "bother reading"  ejbr   Jul-13-09 07:03 AM   #57 
     - He threw the kids out and returned the check Creative Steps had given him and  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:35 AM   #107 
        - Which, albeit inadvertantly, reinforced the belief that racism played a part n/t  ejbr   Jul-13-09 11:39 AM   #109 
           - And you are so dead certain of inadvertency how, exactly? If a newspaper reporter were  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:47 AM   #110 
              - I meant to put inadvertantly in quotes as  ejbr   Jul-13-09 12:28 PM   #113 
                 - But it was SUCH a CLASSIC Freudian slip!!!  Karenina   Jul-13-09 02:17 PM   #115 
                 - Even if not specifically racial. Your interpretation still boils down to...  TheMadMonk   Jul-13-09 11:22 PM   #119 
  - At the very least, I think I would wait for the results of the investigation  Blasphemer   Jul-13-09 01:04 AM   #36 
     - Blatantly racist comments are only a poor choice of words when they come from JUDGE Sotomayor.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 07:21 AM   #68 
        - You keep using this thread to bash Sotomayor. Why don't you just start a thread on it? n/t  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 07:53 AM   #78 
        - I did. But I continue to find who we will and will not give a free pass on racism to be interesting  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:04 AM   #81 
        - Wow. What does the SCOTUS issue  BumRushDaShow   Jul-13-09 08:07 AM   #84 
           - Apparently some people like to use racism in their contemplations of racism.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:32 AM   #91 
              - I'm not going to address the Sotomayor issue here but as far as the arguments for racism here...  Blasphemer   Jul-13-09 11:20 AM   #102 
  - Embarassment is a wonderful incentive for civic responsibility  brooklynite   Jul-12-09 09:23 PM   #8 
  - Legal action is an even stronger incentive.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 06:52 AM   #51 
  - Ding-dongs, you can't unring the bell ....  Brother Buzz   Jul-12-09 09:46 PM   #9 
  - I fail to see how accusing a swim club of racism when none might have existed will enlighten anyone.  wisteria   Jul-12-09 11:28 PM   #18 
     - I did not use the word 'racism'  Brother Buzz   Jul-13-09 12:03 AM   #26 
        - What was the damaged if it was not the suggestion of racism?  wisteria   Jul-13-09 12:24 AM   #31 
           - Yes. Investigate. Prosecute and penalize. That's exactly how it should be played out forever.  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 06:19 AM   #42 
           - Did you read the article? Extending the olive branch was what lawyers advised  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 06:55 AM   #53 
  - I hoped they'd reconsider because of a backlash from the members.  Iggo   Jul-12-09 10:19 PM   #10 
  - The members voted overwhelmingly  MellowDem   Jul-12-09 11:03 PM   #14 
  - If in fact some members made racist comments, my guess is they will cancel their own memberships.  wisteria   Jul-12-09 11:23 PM   #15 
  - No, but club is responsible for kicking the kids out after racist remarks by some members.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:20 AM   #67 
  - Good. That's what I wanted to hear.  Iggo   Jul-12-09 11:34 PM   #20 
  - My bet is most of the member didn't know about the incident  RamboLiberal   Jul-13-09 12:19 AM   #29 
  - The article also talks about legal advice to try to get the two groups together. Besides,  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:00 AM   #55 
  - Drudge says the owner is an Obama supporter.  Ian David   Jul-13-09 07:08 AM   #60 
     - Drudge is not known for reliability. However, there are many reasons why a business person supports  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:17 AM   #64 
        - We've all heard stories of people saying, "I'm voting for the n*gger!"  Ian David   Jul-13-09 07:31 AM   #71 
           - Voting is a different issue from "supporting." We don't really know how anyone votes.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:44 AM   #75 
  - The director said she couldn't see taking them back there. They've been scarred.  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 06:24 AM   #44 
  - It is good to see they are reviewing their policies regarding safety concerns.  wisteria   Jul-12-09 11:01 PM   #13 
  - 65 kids WOULD NOT overcrowd the kind of facility a club such as that...  TheMadMonk   Jul-13-09 12:17 AM   #28 
     - They invited them back,but need to discuss the safety matters.  wisteria   Jul-13-09 12:31 AM   #33 
        - They invited them back when public embarrassment forced them to back down.  TheMadMonk   Jul-13-09 03:04 AM   #38 
           - Not only public embarrassment. Legal advice.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:33 AM   #72 
  - i would be afraid of what they would do to my child after that experience  humanahumana   Jul-12-09 11:24 PM   #17 
  - OH, please. What harm? It seems to me you have some issues yourself.  wisteria   Jul-12-09 11:39 PM   #21 
     - sure, i have plenty of issues with racism... especially when directed at my young children  humanahumana   Jul-12-09 11:48 PM   #23 
     - Were you there?Are you so certain that what transpired was racism?  wisteria   Jul-13-09 12:15 AM   #27 
        - where you? i am usually at work during those hours but if my kid told me about the remarks reported  humanahumana   Jul-13-09 12:27 AM   #32 
           - Did you ever consider this just might have been a safety issue?  wisteria   Jul-13-09 12:37 AM   #34 
              - So you do have a dog in this fight. That explains it. n/t  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 06:46 AM   #50 
     - So the harm, according to you, was caused by the suggestion of racism  Karenina   Jul-13-09 03:45 AM   #39 
     - I did read the entire story. The kids showed up at the pool. Racial remarks were made.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:06 AM   #58 
     - Are you sure? Because one of the kids said racial remarks were made.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 07:36 AM   #73 
        - More than only one kid cited racial remarks.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:07 AM   #83 
           - I've only read that one Kid told a teacher that. But it does bolster credibility if it was more.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 09:03 AM   #97 
              - Did you read the story linked in the OP? It says "some" kids reported racial comments.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:36 AM   #108 
     - Exactly! Reverse discrimination is still discrimination.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 07:29 AM   #69 
        - Yes that's it! Those kids are racists!  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 07:47 AM   #76 
        - First we must be absolutely sure that the victim is in deed a victim.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:06 AM   #82 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-13-09 08:13 AM   #86 
           - That's right we're not supposed to reply to these.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:43 AM   #93 
           - Yet, you're posting about reverse discrimination with no evidence whatever, not even an allegation.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:32 AM   #92 
              - No I'm merely presenting a counter argument or alternative view.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:51 AM   #95 
                 - That appears to be contrary to the known facts of this case  ShamelessHussy   Jul-13-09 11:45 PM   #120 
                    - There are facts and there are facts.  Wizard777   Jul-14-09 07:12 AM   #121 
                       - Yeah, well the court of public opinion has heard enough  ShamelessHussy   Jul-14-09 08:58 AM   #124 
        - If only there were evidence anywhere in this story of reverse discrimination, you might have a point  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:19 AM   #89 
           - The reverse discrimination would be in assuming that since there is an allegation of racism -  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 08:55 AM   #96 
              - The allegation by the kids is not the only fact we know, though. Besides, you claimed reverse  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:27 AM   #104 
              - There were multiple allegations  kwassa   Jul-13-09 02:31 PM   #116 
                 - Have you ever had a job? Who says all managers are competent?  Wizard777   Jul-14-09 07:42 AM   #123 
  - Mmmmm-hmmmm....  Subdivisions   Jul-12-09 11:53 PM   #24 
  - can we guess how many of the 'regulars' will not show that day? the real story is  tomm2thumbs   Jul-13-09 02:20 AM   #37 
  - Huh? Those who run the club evicted the kids and returned the check after the kids were victims of  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:30 AM   #70 
  - Whatever the reason  dipsydoodle   Jul-13-09 03:46 AM   #40 
  - Huh? Doing the right things to atone? They haven't done anything at all.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 07:51 AM   #77 
  - They were given LEGAL ADVICE to do so.  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 05:56 AM   #41 
  - Bingo  BumRushDaShow   Jul-13-09 06:20 AM   #43 
  - In the original thread on this, I urged swift and comprehensive legal  mbperrin   Jul-13-09 07:16 AM   #63 
     - Well that sure does beat the hell out of playing Mega Millions.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 07:42 AM   #74 
        - Not really. The fact that there are two side {at least} to a lawsuit does not mean  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:46 AM   #94 
           - The Judge or Jury will either decide for or against and that's 50/50.  Wizard777   Jul-13-09 09:07 AM   #98 
              - It's not the same as tossing a coin. The result is not random. One team or another wins  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:25 AM   #103 
  - Fuck them  nc4bo   Jul-13-09 06:38 AM   #46 
  - "These children are scarred. How can I take those children back there?" she said.  JTFrog   Jul-13-09 06:40 AM   #47 
  - I would take the kids and go back.  Ian David   Jul-13-09 07:09 AM   #62 
  - It's not so much that I'm surprised this sort of thing still goes on.  Ian David   Jul-13-09 07:00 AM   #54 
  - Communities around the country  BumRushDaShow   Jul-13-09 07:18 AM   #65 
     - yep nt  goclark   Jul-13-09 04:45 PM   #117 
  - i WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO  nvme   Jul-13-09 07:02 AM   #56 
  - And that stupid, stoner dog! n/t  Ian David   Jul-13-09 07:08 AM   #61 
  - Selected quotes from the article linked in the OP.  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 08:00 AM   #79 
  - Thanks for helping me out with that part  goclark   Jul-13-09 09:26 AM   #99 
     - You're welcome. Also, bear in mind that the headline of the story is misleading. The kids have not  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:31 AM   #106 
        - I understand but I don't think they should go back  goclark   Jul-13-09 12:48 PM   #114 
  - If Strom Thurmond had been elected president  rocktivity   Jul-13-09 10:16 AM   #101 
  - Newt, is that you?  No Elephants   Jul-13-09 11:29 AM   #105 
  - Trent Lott, actually  rocktivity   Jul-13-09 12:11 PM   #112 
  - Or John Mc Cain maybe ~  goclark   Jul-13-09 07:20 PM   #118 
  - Obviously not ideal, but a half way decent solution.  Vidar   Jul-14-09 02:31 PM   #126 
 

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