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Mon Jul-13-09 11:31 AM
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| 106. You're welcome. Also, bear in mind that the headline of the story is misleading. The kids have not |
| -Swim club offers olive branch after racism allegations(invites kids back) |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-12-09 08:55 PM |
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How "nice" of them. I heard a class-action suit was filed. Maybe that |
babylonsister |
Jul-12-09 08:57 PM |
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I hope they don't get Judge Smales |
izquierdista |
Jul-12-09 09:17 PM |
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Self delete. n/t |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 10:56 PM |
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Nope, too late! |
wundermaus |
Jul-12-09 08:58 PM |
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To late for what? n/t |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 11:24 PM |
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I need to play that clip every morning! |
ejbr |
Jul-13-09 06:54 AM |
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LOL ~ |
goclark |
Jul-13-09 08:01 AM |
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I wouldn't be in any hurry to accept the invitation. |
rurallib |
Jul-12-09 08:59 PM |
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They just reported on this on the local Philly news. |
drm604 |
Jul-12-09 09:03 PM |
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I think it would be a positive thing to leave it up to the kids. Maybe something even |
zonkers |
Jul-12-09 09:20 PM |
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Agreed, zonkers. |
bertman |
Jul-12-09 09:22 PM |
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Disagree. Kids are trusting and racists did not shed their racism in a week. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 06:35 AM |
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Some members were outraged. I am not saying "halt the discrimination probe. |
zonkers |
Jul-13-09 09:38 AM |
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In one of the articles |
zalinda |
Jul-12-09 10:37 PM |
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Thank you for being brave enough to comment on this article when it isn't the |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 11:33 PM |
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if 65 kids showed up at a pool I was swimming in I would get out and demand my money back. |
Devil_Fish |
Jul-12-09 11:40 PM |
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You have a point, people join these small pool clubs to avoid the crowding of the public pools. |
wisteria |
Jul-13-09 12:20 AM |
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They had to know how many kids were coming |
rocktivity |
Jul-13-09 12:59 AM |
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No shit. |
Ian David |
Jul-13-09 07:03 AM |
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Right ~ they knew and for safety reasons |
goclark |
Jul-13-09 08:19 AM |
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People did not make color based remarks to the water. They did make racial remarks to the kids. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 06:44 AM |
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I have a child who has problems with crowds. |
msanthrope |
Jul-12-09 11:56 PM |
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Does that family have 13 kids? Do the math. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 07:07 AM |
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They didn't pay 1,900 for a yearly membership. They paid for a few summer sessions. I wouldn't |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 07:19 AM |
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Ooooookay, Have you ever been to a Christmas Swim in Pa? |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:09 AM |
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No, but I've enjoyed many balmy days in Spring and Fall. And the club might offer year round event |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:22 AM |
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Bulk sales often get a discount from the price charged individuals. Besides, this |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:18 AM |
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No, You do the math. The daycare kids were there for |
msanthrope |
Jul-13-09 12:03 PM |
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Have you seen the contract? You are saying they didn't have a membership. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-14-09 07:17 AM |
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You are deliberately misquoting me because you are losing the |
msanthrope |
Jul-14-09 12:17 PM |
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If true, that would have been a reason to storm the office of club's management, not |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 06:42 AM |
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Two of the reasons that people did not "bother reading" |
ejbr |
Jul-13-09 07:03 AM |
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He threw the kids out and returned the check Creative Steps had given him and |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:35 AM |
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Which, albeit inadvertantly, reinforced the belief that racism played a part n/t |
ejbr |
Jul-13-09 11:39 AM |
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And you are so dead certain of inadvertency how, exactly? If a newspaper reporter were |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:47 AM |
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I meant to put inadvertantly in quotes as |
ejbr |
Jul-13-09 12:28 PM |
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But it was SUCH a CLASSIC Freudian slip!!! |
Karenina |
Jul-13-09 02:17 PM |
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Even if not specifically racial. Your interpretation still boils down to... |
TheMadMonk |
Jul-13-09 11:22 PM |
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At the very least, I think I would wait for the results of the investigation |
Blasphemer |
Jul-13-09 01:04 AM |
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Blatantly racist comments are only a poor choice of words when they come from JUDGE Sotomayor. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 07:21 AM |
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You keep using this thread to bash Sotomayor. Why don't you just start a thread on it? n/t |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 07:53 AM |
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I did. But I continue to find who we will and will not give a free pass on racism to be interesting |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:04 AM |
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Wow. What does the SCOTUS issue |
BumRushDaShow |
Jul-13-09 08:07 AM |
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Apparently some people like to use racism in their contemplations of racism. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:32 AM |
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I'm not going to address the Sotomayor issue here but as far as the arguments for racism here... |
Blasphemer |
Jul-13-09 11:20 AM |
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Embarassment is a wonderful incentive for civic responsibility |
brooklynite |
Jul-12-09 09:23 PM |
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Legal action is an even stronger incentive. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 06:52 AM |
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Ding-dongs, you can't unring the bell .... |
Brother Buzz |
Jul-12-09 09:46 PM |
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I fail to see how accusing a swim club of racism when none might have existed will enlighten anyone. |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 11:28 PM |
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I did not use the word 'racism' |
Brother Buzz |
Jul-13-09 12:03 AM |
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What was the damaged if it was not the suggestion of racism? |
wisteria |
Jul-13-09 12:24 AM |
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Yes. Investigate. Prosecute and penalize. That's exactly how it should be played out forever. |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 06:19 AM |
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Did you read the article? Extending the olive branch was what lawyers advised |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 06:55 AM |
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I hoped they'd reconsider because of a backlash from the members. |
Iggo |
Jul-12-09 10:19 PM |
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The members voted overwhelmingly |
MellowDem |
Jul-12-09 11:03 PM |
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If in fact some members made racist comments, my guess is they will cancel their own memberships. |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 11:23 PM |
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No, but club is responsible for kicking the kids out after racist remarks by some members. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:20 AM |
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Good. That's what I wanted to hear. |
Iggo |
Jul-12-09 11:34 PM |
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My bet is most of the member didn't know about the incident |
RamboLiberal |
Jul-13-09 12:19 AM |
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The article also talks about legal advice to try to get the two groups together. Besides, |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:00 AM |
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Drudge says the owner is an Obama supporter. |
Ian David |
Jul-13-09 07:08 AM |
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Drudge is not known for reliability. However, there are many reasons why a business person supports |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:17 AM |
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We've all heard stories of people saying, "I'm voting for the n*gger!" |
Ian David |
Jul-13-09 07:31 AM |
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Voting is a different issue from "supporting." We don't really know how anyone votes. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:44 AM |
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The director said she couldn't see taking them back there. They've been scarred. |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 06:24 AM |
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It is good to see they are reviewing their policies regarding safety concerns. |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 11:01 PM |
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65 kids WOULD NOT overcrowd the kind of facility a club such as that... |
TheMadMonk |
Jul-13-09 12:17 AM |
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They invited them back,but need to discuss the safety matters. |
wisteria |
Jul-13-09 12:31 AM |
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They invited them back when public embarrassment forced them to back down. |
TheMadMonk |
Jul-13-09 03:04 AM |
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Not only public embarrassment. Legal advice. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:33 AM |
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i would be afraid of what they would do to my child after that experience |
humanahumana |
Jul-12-09 11:24 PM |
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OH, please. What harm? It seems to me you have some issues yourself. |
wisteria |
Jul-12-09 11:39 PM |
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sure, i have plenty of issues with racism... especially when directed at my young children |
humanahumana |
Jul-12-09 11:48 PM |
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Were you there?Are you so certain that what transpired was racism? |
wisteria |
Jul-13-09 12:15 AM |
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where you? i am usually at work during those hours but if my kid told me about the remarks reported |
humanahumana |
Jul-13-09 12:27 AM |
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Did you ever consider this just might have been a safety issue? |
wisteria |
Jul-13-09 12:37 AM |
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So you do have a dog in this fight. That explains it. n/t |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 06:46 AM |
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So the harm, according to you, was caused by the suggestion of racism |
Karenina |
Jul-13-09 03:45 AM |
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I did read the entire story. The kids showed up at the pool. Racial remarks were made. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:06 AM |
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Are you sure? Because one of the kids said racial remarks were made. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 07:36 AM |
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More than only one kid cited racial remarks. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:07 AM |
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I've only read that one Kid told a teacher that. But it does bolster credibility if it was more. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 09:03 AM |
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Did you read the story linked in the OP? It says "some" kids reported racial comments. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:36 AM |
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Exactly! Reverse discrimination is still discrimination. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 07:29 AM |
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Yes that's it! Those kids are racists! |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 07:47 AM |
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First we must be absolutely sure that the victim is in deed a victim. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:06 AM |
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Name removed |
Jul-13-09 08:13 AM |
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That's right we're not supposed to reply to these. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:43 AM |
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Yet, you're posting about reverse discrimination with no evidence whatever, not even an allegation. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:32 AM |
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No I'm merely presenting a counter argument or alternative view. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:51 AM |
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That appears to be contrary to the known facts of this case |
ShamelessHussy |
Jul-13-09 11:45 PM |
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There are facts and there are facts. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-14-09 07:12 AM |
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Yeah, well the court of public opinion has heard enough |
ShamelessHussy |
Jul-14-09 08:58 AM |
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If only there were evidence anywhere in this story of reverse discrimination, you might have a point |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:19 AM |
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The reverse discrimination would be in assuming that since there is an allegation of racism - |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 08:55 AM |
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The allegation by the kids is not the only fact we know, though. Besides, you claimed reverse |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:27 AM |
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There were multiple allegations |
kwassa |
Jul-13-09 02:31 PM |
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Have you ever had a job? Who says all managers are competent? |
Wizard777 |
Jul-14-09 07:42 AM |
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Mmmmm-hmmmm.... |
Subdivisions |
Jul-12-09 11:53 PM |
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can we guess how many of the 'regulars' will not show that day? the real story is |
tomm2thumbs |
Jul-13-09 02:20 AM |
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Huh? Those who run the club evicted the kids and returned the check after the kids were victims of |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:30 AM |
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Whatever the reason |
dipsydoodle |
Jul-13-09 03:46 AM |
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Huh? Doing the right things to atone? They haven't done anything at all. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 07:51 AM |
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They were given LEGAL ADVICE to do so. |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 05:56 AM |
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Bingo |
BumRushDaShow |
Jul-13-09 06:20 AM |
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In the original thread on this, I urged swift and comprehensive legal |
mbperrin |
Jul-13-09 07:16 AM |
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Well that sure does beat the hell out of playing Mega Millions. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 07:42 AM |
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Not really. The fact that there are two side {at least} to a lawsuit does not mean |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:46 AM |
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The Judge or Jury will either decide for or against and that's 50/50. |
Wizard777 |
Jul-13-09 09:07 AM |
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It's not the same as tossing a coin. The result is not random. One team or another wins |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:25 AM |
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Fuck them |
nc4bo |
Jul-13-09 06:38 AM |
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"These children are scarred. How can I take those children back there?" she said. |
JTFrog |
Jul-13-09 06:40 AM |
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I would take the kids and go back. |
Ian David |
Jul-13-09 07:09 AM |
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It's not so much that I'm surprised this sort of thing still goes on. |
Ian David |
Jul-13-09 07:00 AM |
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Communities around the country |
BumRushDaShow |
Jul-13-09 07:18 AM |
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yep nt |
goclark |
Jul-13-09 04:45 PM |
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i WOULD HAVE GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT TOO |
nvme |
Jul-13-09 07:02 AM |
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And that stupid, stoner dog! n/t |
Ian David |
Jul-13-09 07:08 AM |
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Selected quotes from the article linked in the OP. |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 08:00 AM |
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Thanks for helping me out with that part |
goclark |
Jul-13-09 09:26 AM |
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You're welcome. Also, bear in mind that the headline of the story is misleading. The kids have not |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:31 AM |
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I understand but I don't think they should go back |
goclark |
Jul-13-09 12:48 PM |
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If Strom Thurmond had been elected president |
rocktivity |
Jul-13-09 10:16 AM |
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Newt, is that you? |
No Elephants |
Jul-13-09 11:29 AM |
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Trent Lott, actually |
rocktivity |
Jul-13-09 12:11 PM |
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Or John Mc Cain maybe ~ |
goclark |
Jul-13-09 07:20 PM |
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Obviously not ideal, but a half way decent solution. |
Vidar |
Jul-14-09 02:31 PM |
#126 |
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