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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-10-09 04:37 PM
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81. Why is a unconstitutional signing statement by Obama less of an abuse than
an unconstitutional signing statement by Bush?

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  -House overwhelmingly rejects signing statement Lone_Star_Dem  Jul-09-09 06:13 PM   #0 
  - They wouldn't do that to Bush. The fucking cowards. n/t  ThirdWorldJohn   Jul-09-09 06:15 PM   #1 
  - It wouldn't have come up for a vote ...  zbdent   Jul-09-09 06:35 PM   #5 
  - no, this is a good point!  pasto76   Jul-09-09 09:12 PM   #30 
     - you may want to do some reading  merh   Jul-09-09 11:51 PM   #49 
        - 78% of Bush's signing statements were unconstitutional. There was noting done by the scholars like  ThirdWorldJohn   Jul-10-09 12:20 AM   #52 
        - You are not wrong.  merh   Jul-10-09 12:49 AM   #54 
        - the precedent for future admins is the critical element  natrat   Jul-10-09 06:45 AM   #65 
           - Violations by this administration are not more palatable than violations by future  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:02 PM   #75 
        - Fuckin' cowards indeed and the 'pukes fuckin' hypocrites to the last man or woman!  indepat   Jul-10-09 03:07 PM   #72 
        - You are correct that nothing was done re: Bush. However, I am glad something has finally been  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 03:54 PM   #73 
        - Signing statements either to create or amend law or to deny that the President is subject to the law  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 03:59 PM   #74 
           - If you read what I linked you would discover that not all signing  merh   Jul-10-09 06:48 PM   #93 
              - If you read what I posted, you would discover that I never claimed all signing  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 07:58 AM   #101 
  - You forget a good share of the Dems are DINO's.  RC   Jul-09-09 06:37 PM   #7 
  - Don't be silly  Politicalboi   Jul-09-09 07:46 PM   #19 
  - Are you saying that 492 House members are racist and this resolution was racist?  ProgressIn2008   Jul-10-09 07:22 PM   #95 
  - Amen! Now that they've got a sane president and good reason to play along  Stevepol   Jul-09-09 08:34 PM   #25 
  - What is the reason to play along with an unconstitutional signing statement?  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:07 PM   #76 
  - bush and obama  maglatinavi   Jul-10-09 02:08 AM   #60 
  - Slightly less embarrassing now that Congress finally did something about unconstitutional signing  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:14 PM   #77 
  - Frankly I didn't know they COULD do it. n/t  Papa Boule   Jul-10-09 02:34 AM   #62 
  - Don't you wish they had done this during Bush's term? n/t  ProSense   Jul-09-09 06:16 PM   #2 
  - Don't forget the two rules  Seedersandleechers   Jul-09-09 06:27 PM   #3 
  - Hell yeah  KakistocracyHater   Jul-09-09 07:10 PM   #15 
  - But it was ok when Bush did it?  Oregone   Jul-09-09 06:29 PM   #4 
  - no, it wasn't okay when Bush did it  choie   Jul-09-09 06:38 PM   #8 
  - Yeah, repulsive. Repulsive like a fox!!!  napoleon_in_rags   Jul-10-09 12:29 AM   #53 
  - Stem cell research is paying off!  Beartracks   Jul-09-09 08:33 PM   #24 
  - Another one equating testicles with courage.  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:22 PM   #79 
     - It's not a link between testicles and courage...  Beartracks   Jul-11-09 02:38 PM   #110 
  - Because testicles are the exclusive source of courage? Agree that Congress should have acted  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:15 PM   #78 
  - I was wondering about that signing statement  HughMoran   Jul-09-09 06:36 PM   #6 
  - It;s not his first of this kind, just the first time Congress acted officially, instead of  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 08:54 AM   #107 
  - I'm liking Congress better these days.  Vidar   Jul-09-09 06:38 PM   #9 
  - It was a Republican ammendment?!? WTF?  prostomulgus   Jul-09-09 06:40 PM   #10 
  - R or D, it was a good amendment  appal_jack   Jul-09-09 06:49 PM   #12 
  - Another intelligence agency, run by the executive branch?  boppers   Jul-09-09 07:14 PM   #17 
  - The president has the authority to conduct foreign policy,  JDPriestly   Jul-09-09 09:04 PM   #28 
  - Exactly. n/t  ihavenobias   Jul-09-09 09:28 PM   #33 
  - Cant argue with that.  Egnever   Jul-09-09 09:55 PM   #35 
  - Hear! Hear!  seabeckind   Jul-10-09 01:11 AM   #56 
  - For those who put Party (or Obama) over the Constitution of the United States and the rule of law,  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:30 PM   #80 
  - Congress told the President "No"?  Hydra   Jul-09-09 06:44 PM   #11 
  - This is a good thing.  dbonds   Jul-09-09 06:56 PM   #13 
  - Only two dissents. Very impressive. Now if we could just get them to vote against their  bertman   Jul-09-09 07:06 PM   #14 
  - Excellent news. Obama was flat out wrong. Glad Congress stepped up, for once.  Mojambo   Jul-09-09 07:10 PM   #16 
  - +1  Deep13   Jul-09-09 08:24 PM   #23 
  - +2  emilyg   Jul-09-09 11:18 PM   #46 
     - +3  Dutch   Jul-10-09 03:03 AM   #63 
  - Dems always step up...  snake in the grass   Jul-09-09 09:14 PM   #31 
     - The Democrats did not initiate this. The Republicans did. That's why it finally happened. But,  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:46 PM   #83 
  - K&R  Vidar   Jul-09-09 07:36 PM   #18 
  - I can't believe I'm saying this...  jgraz   Jul-09-09 07:49 PM   #20 
  - Funny how they get all patriotic, Constitutional and assertive with a (D) in the WH.  DCKit   Jul-09-09 07:53 PM   #21 
  - Why is a unconstitutional signing statement by Obama less of an abuse than  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:37 PM   #81 
     - I didn't say it was, Karnak. n/t  DCKit   Jul-10-09 10:24 PM   #99 
        - Read your post again. You did not use those exact words, but you sure conveyed it. No  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 08:02 AM   #102 
  - Well at least they did it. nt  Deep13   Jul-09-09 08:23 PM   #22 
  - About time  rpannier   Jul-09-09 08:42 PM   #26 
  - Good for them!  Milo_Bloom   Jul-09-09 09:00 PM   #27 
  - Who were the two dissenting votes?  cowcommander   Jul-09-09 09:10 PM   #29 
  - I'd love to know, too.  chill_wind   Jul-10-09 01:06 AM   #55 
  - That's fine, but where were they..  mvd   Jul-09-09 09:18 PM   #32 
  - What basis did Obama's statement have? All signing statements saying the POTUS  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:40 PM   #82 
     - I thought there was at least some validity..  mvd   Jul-10-09 05:37 PM   #92 
        - No. The domain of the Executive does not include the power of the purse. I  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 08:07 AM   #103 
           - To be fair, the purse wasn't part of his rationalization  mvd   Jul-11-09 12:02 PM   #109 
  - I'm glad they did it....Just funny how they WOULDN'T do it to Bush  DWilliamsamh   Jul-09-09 09:41 PM   #34 
  - Please see Reply # 83.  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:48 PM   #84 
  - Obama should be ashamed for penning a signing statement.  styersc   Jul-09-09 09:57 PM   #36 
  - I don't think they are illegal, actually.  SeattleGirl   Jul-09-09 10:38 PM   #40 
  - not illegal  maglatinavi   Jul-10-09 02:20 AM   #61 
  - Not all signing statements are illegal. Most simply bloviate. No harm, no foul.  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 08:14 AM   #104 
  - I don't know of any signing statements by Clinton that were illegal. If you have a specific  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:52 PM   #85 
  - Good  Time for change   Jul-09-09 10:07 PM   #37 
  - Maybe Obama planned it this way.  DUlover2909   Jul-09-09 10:30 PM   #38 
  - Please tell me you don't really believe that.  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 04:57 PM   #86 
     - Eh, anythning is possible. Maybe he told them to vote it down, I dunno.  DUlover2909   Jul-10-09 07:06 PM   #94 
  - Obama looks a lot more like Bush every day.  MindMatter   Jul-09-09 10:37 PM   #39 
  - Disagree with you on that one.  SeattleGirl   Jul-09-09 10:39 PM   #41 
     - Yes "more like Bush"  MindMatter   Jul-09-09 11:00 PM   #45 
     - Signing statements were not a Bush innovation  Inuca   Jul-10-09 10:32 AM   #70 
        - Bush was the first President to use unconstitutional signing statements.  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 05:12 PM   #87 
     - Have you been under a ROCK? Look at his record so far!  Zhade   Jul-09-09 11:44 PM   #48 
        - I'm not wearing blinders.  SeattleGirl   Jul-10-09 12:15 AM   #51 
        - I guess it's true that blinders are useless when your head's under the sand.  Zhade   Jul-11-09 08:32 PM   #111 
        - yes - and his record  choie   Jul-10-09 06:51 AM   #66 
  - What if he ignores their amendment?  katandmoon   Jul-09-09 10:46 PM   #42 
  - the amendment & obama  maglatinavi   Jul-10-09 02:05 AM   #59 
     - Baloney. This is the first amendment of its kind, ever. So, how is it possible that Bush  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 05:17 PM   #88 
  - Three cheers for Congress  Jack Rabbit   Jul-09-09 10:48 PM   #43 
  - This is one instance in which I'm okay with bipartisanship.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-09-09 10:58 PM   #44 
  - YAAAAAY! Democracy is not dead after all!!!!! Whoopeeeeee! nt  grahamhgreen   Jul-09-09 11:19 PM   #47 
  - Impressive . . . .!!  defendandprotect   Jul-10-09 12:12 AM   #50 
  - Occasionally the House remembers that thing about co-equal branches  chill_wind   Jul-10-09 01:12 AM   #57 
  - Thank God  Phildog   Jul-10-09 01:46 AM   #58 
  - Article 2 Section 2, President's Treaty Powers  bigbrother05   Jul-10-09 04:13 AM   #64 
  - Wrong. JD Priestly laid it out correctly in Reply 28. It is Obama who overstepped, not the House.  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 05:20 PM   #89 
     - The President was right to issue the signing statement, and Congress was right to make the amendment  Scarsdale Vibe   Jul-10-09 11:37 PM   #100 
        - No, the President was not right to issue the signing statement. First, he has no "power of the  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 08:28 AM   #105 
  - Where were they when BUSH was doing it much worse?  Ian David   Jul-10-09 07:21 AM   #67 
  - Why is an unconstitutional signing statement by Obama much better than an  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 05:33 PM   #91 
  - signing statements are wrong.  tomp   Jul-10-09 09:01 AM   #68 
  - Not all signing statements are wrong, only the unconstitutional ones. Please see  No Elephants   Jul-10-09 05:28 PM   #90 
     - don't split hairs.  tomp   Jul-10-09 07:40 PM   #97 
        - I do agree here, despite my above comment  mvd   Jul-10-09 08:20 PM   #98 
        - If you read this thread, you will see that a number of posters  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 08:34 AM   #106 
           - is anyone objecting to presidents saying things about the law...  tomp   Jul-11-09 10:43 PM   #112 
  - Glad they are looking at the signing statements...  maryf   Jul-10-09 10:01 AM   #69 
  - Well done.  summerbreeze   Jul-10-09 11:03 AM   #71 
  - Agreed with poster above: heaven help me, I'm thinking the House is the only source of hope n change  ProgressIn2008   Jul-10-09 07:25 PM   #96 
  - Has there ever been a House vote against a Presidential act that is 429-2? Amazing--  No Elephants   Jul-11-09 09:07 AM   #108 
 

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