earcandle
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Sun Jul-05-09 12:16 PM
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| 5. We don't want a public insurance option. we want public health care |  |
 Schumer guarantees public health care option |
kpete |
Jul-05-09 11:52 AM |
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good |
ccharles000 |
Jul-05-09 11:54 AM |
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actually, not so good--critique of the public option-- |
nightrain |
Jul-05-09 04:04 PM |
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Money quote |
troubledamerican |
Jul-05-09 06:40 PM |
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Thank you for linking this fantastic analysis so quickly, so it will be seen. |
Zhade |
Jul-05-09 11:49 PM |
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"Some form of it" |
brentspeak |
Jul-05-09 11:55 AM |
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Those words are concerning to me as well. |
midnight |
Jul-05-09 12:33 PM |
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Well, it's a start. I think we know it won't be what we want, but once it's there, |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 02:06 PM |
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I beg to differ. Once we "settle" (yet again!) any further change will take much more effort. |
bobbolink |
Jul-05-09 02:09 PM |
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The point is...NO plan will satisfy the left, since they are in disagreement as to |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 02:46 PM |
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There is only one really good and workable public option and that is to open up Medicare |
Cleita |
Jul-05-09 02:52 PM |
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I think you've misunderstood "public option." What you describe is the |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 04:51 PM |
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You've got it. n/t |
Cleita |
Jul-05-09 04:57 PM |
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is this "public option" he way you want it?? |
nightrain |
Jul-06-09 11:20 AM |
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some options are better than others. We should be asking |
nightrain |
Jul-05-09 03:46 PM |
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Thx for the links. It all just boggles the mind. nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 04:52 PM |
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that, kind poster, is the situation in a nutshell. |
dionysus |
Jul-05-09 03:46 PM |
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Who's this "left" you are talking about. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-05-09 03:55 PM |
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No, I distinguished "the left," because I assume "the right" is against ANY reform |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 05:00 PM |
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No plan is better than a bad one. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-05-09 07:24 PM |
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Then I guess we disagree. A plan that helps more people is better than not helping them. |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 11:33 PM |
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Please read the whole post. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-06-09 10:40 AM |
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What you call a bad plan, others will call a good plan. No plan will cost the Dems the election in |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 11:38 PM |
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As for amendments not improving a govt plan, I'm not a historian. |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 05:03 PM |
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No history of that happening. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-05-09 07:29 PM |
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I don't think it's propaganda that SS and Medicare are almost bankrupt. |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 11:28 PM |
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You're wrong, and spreading untruths. |
Zhade |
Jul-05-09 11:54 PM |
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I can see you haven't studied the situation. As a middle aged baby boomer, I have. |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-06-09 09:38 AM |
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Social Security and Medicare are not in as deep trouble as all the conservative |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 10:28 AM |
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He'd rather spout neocon meme. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-06-09 10:45 AM |
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I know the neocons have been discussing it for a decade. |
Jakes Progress |
Jul-06-09 10:43 AM |
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I'm sick to death of this splintering and name-calling. you think you're |
bobbolink |
Jul-06-09 11:51 AM |
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Actually - NO WE'RE NOT - it's called SINGLE PAYER GOVERNMENT PROVIDED HEALTHCARE FOR ALL!!! |
TankLV |
Jul-06-09 02:22 PM |
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I agree. Every macroeconomic program in our history |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-05-09 03:26 PM |
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I think you're right. But...I hope you're wrong about how long it takes. nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-05-09 05:08 PM |
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I too, hope I'm wrong about the length of time, but my |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-05-09 05:35 PM |
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Look at you two holding hands all through this thread.n/t |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 10:29 AM |
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Don't like that phrase one bit |
radhika |
Jul-05-09 02:47 PM |
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translation: we're fucked yet AGAIN. |
dysfunctional press |
Jul-06-09 11:24 AM |
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Is Schumer a long-term NYer? Amazing that they can produce such a competent senator given the mess |
lindisfarne |
Jul-05-09 11:58 AM |
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He is barely competent |
Oregone |
Jul-05-09 12:49 PM |
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Schumer wants a public option with no subsidies. |
Eric J in MN |
Jul-05-09 12:00 PM |
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Great article by Warren from 2005 |
madfloridian |
Jul-05-09 12:32 PM |
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Maybe better would be subsidies that can go either to public or private health care. |
backscatter712 |
Jul-05-09 02:35 PM |
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We don't want a public insurance option. we want public health care |
earcandle |
Jul-05-09 12:16 PM |
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No we don't. |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-05-09 01:20 PM |
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We aren't looking for that but getting Medicare to be opened up for those |
Cleita |
Jul-05-09 02:55 PM |
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Medicare won't be able to support any more than |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-05-09 03:58 PM |
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Oh, please read something from Rep. John Conyer's website. |
Cleita |
Jul-05-09 04:04 PM |
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If it were as easy as Mr. Conyers suggests, |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-05-09 06:15 PM |
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It is as easy because it's being done successfully in many other industrialized |
Cleita |
Jul-05-09 08:09 PM |
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And their tax rates are astronomical. Many people |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-05-09 11:48 PM |
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I pay only 8% less in taxes than Swedish citizens do -- I'd GLADLY pay 50 % for what they have! |
Zhade |
Jul-05-09 11:57 PM |
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What a very good question. |
aquart |
Jul-06-09 01:59 AM |
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Swedish income tax |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-06-09 10:36 AM |
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Their tax rates are more than ours but they aren't astronomical. We here |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 10:22 AM |
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British citizens pay a 23.8% payroll tax just to pay |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-06-09 10:41 AM |
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They don't have to pay insurance premiums and they don't have to go |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 11:15 AM |
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That's all well and good, but we need to be honest about |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-06-09 11:36 AM |
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Yes, we do need to be honest about and repeating talking points from |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 12:23 PM |
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The world tax rate table speaks volumes about the |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-06-09 12:53 PM |
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Liberals don't get upset about taxes for the greater good like schools and |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 02:10 PM |
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The voting public includes more than just |
WestSeattle2 |
Jul-06-09 04:10 PM |
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We are the majority and it's time government reflected that. |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 05:06 PM |
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most moderates I know would call you out on that assumption |
fascisthunter |
Jul-06-09 05:12 PM |
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It would be FAR easier to fix the issues with Medicare than |
nightrain |
Jul-05-09 07:14 PM |
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It's not adequately funded |
ProudDad |
Jul-06-09 02:08 AM |
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And yet in spite of everything the conservatives have done to Medicare, it |
Cleita |
Jul-06-09 10:25 AM |
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Y yo tambien |
ProudDad |
Jul-06-09 02:08 PM |
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exactly. |
robinlynne |
Jul-05-09 01:24 PM |
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IMHO, this is a move in that direction |
jberryhill |
Jul-05-09 02:24 PM |
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If wikipedia's rather garbled... |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-05-09 02:36 PM |
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Exactly. For-profit medical "insurance needs to be done away with. |
kestrel91316 |
Jul-05-09 02:55 PM |
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he has one thing spot on -- |
xchrom |
Jul-05-09 12:17 PM |
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Do not take Schumers word for it, keep on pushing. Schumer is.............. |
pattmarty |
Jul-05-09 12:18 PM |
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I agree...keep contacting your legislators! |
wildflower |
Jul-05-09 12:43 PM |
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So do I.. K and R...Let's hope Schumer keeps his word...nt. |
Stuart G |
Jul-05-09 01:37 PM |
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Agreed - keep writing & calling Schumer |
NewJeffCT |
Jul-05-09 03:52 PM |
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Kirsten Gillibrand |
DarthDem |
Jul-05-09 09:46 PM |
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Bernie is a SOCIALIST!!! Hoooray for Bernie!!! (n/t) |
ProudDad |
Jul-06-09 02:09 AM |
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We are the change we voted for ! |
quidam56 |
Jul-05-09 12:54 PM |
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Some form? |
creeksneakers2 |
Jul-05-09 01:00 PM |
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Schumer is a weasel.... |
bvar22 |
Jul-05-09 01:20 PM |
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title could be--"Schumer guarantees bankruptcies and millions still unable to afford healthcare" |
nightrain |
Jul-05-09 01:55 PM |
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LEVEL PLAYING FIELD? |
debbierlus |
Jul-05-09 02:14 PM |
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But what kind of public option. We don't want the Snow version. |
Joanne98 |
Jul-05-09 02:26 PM |
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One promise delivered. |
cyclezealot |
Jul-05-09 02:27 PM |
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Look upthread before you start celebrating. |
Zhade |
Jul-06-09 12:13 AM |
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ANYONE who continuously speaks of "level playing fields" |
Phoebe Loosinhouse |
Jul-05-09 02:27 PM |
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Well, said and that's exactly what that code speak is about. n/t |
Cleita |
Jul-05-09 02:57 PM |
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"some form" of a public option means no viable, strong public option. |
Better Believe It |
Jul-05-09 03:13 PM |
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The key word is "But" |
Ms. Toad |
Jul-05-09 03:07 PM |
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I'd connect this to Schumer's chairmanship of the DSCC. |
burning rain |
Jul-05-09 03:09 PM |
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He's my rep |
zalinda |
Jul-05-09 03:36 PM |
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Every call, fax, letter and email helps |
NewJeffCT |
Jul-05-09 03:57 PM |
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Schumer makes lots of promises |
IndianaGreen |
Jul-05-09 04:13 PM |
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Great news assuming that "some form of it" still means a real public option |
harry_pothead |
Jul-05-09 04:40 PM |
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It doesn't have a real public option. It is extremely limited-- to |
nightrain |
Jul-05-09 05:41 PM |
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key words..."some form of it" All you need do for a public option |
ooglymoogly |
Jul-05-09 05:16 PM |
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Without fines and triggers? nt |
and-justice-for-all |
Jul-05-09 07:27 PM |
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what is wrong with HR676? Isn't that single payer? Universal Health care? Doesn't Dennis already |
earcandle |
Jul-05-09 07:42 PM |
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I don't trust Schumer since his support of Mukasey. |
riverdeep |
Jul-05-09 08:12 PM |
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given up? Schumer's public option support was ALWAYS a front - Schumer's capacity for deceit and |
blm |
Jul-06-09 12:31 PM |
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I don't want no stinkin' "level playing field" |
ProudDad |
Jul-06-09 02:10 AM |
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but if we can't trust the Holy Market, what can we have? GOAL-oriented action? *snort* it's against |
MisterP |
Jul-06-09 01:40 PM |
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"Some sort of it"- Enough said, coming from Schumer. |
Mass |
Jul-06-09 12:35 PM |
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KEEP PUSHING! |
fascisthunter |
Jul-06-09 05:13 PM |
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Best explanation of the benefits of Single Payer I've Read!!! |
ProudDad |
Jul-06-09 08:46 PM |
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