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AtheistCrusader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 09:58 AM
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19. And photovoltaics are made from completely clean unicorn farts.
Still need mining, and some rather unpleasant chemicals. For wind power, again, mining, advanced materials manufacturing, then there's the 'not on my skyline' people like Ted Kennedy (my one gripe with the man), and the, I feel, demonstrated impact to bird life.

There is no completely 'clean' power source. Even the hydroelectric power that is running my computer right now, came at a cost of habitat, and is still impacting Salmon runs.

Everything's a tradeoff. Nuclear is available 24x7, where you have to build far beyond daytime capacity to store solar for the nighttime... etc.

Right now, if it's not producing tons of CO2, it's ok in my book, and that puts nuclear power on the table, at least until we don't need it anymore. I think the US is behind the curve in breeder reactors and other technologies that let us burn as fuel, the waste from the 70's. But that's another discussion I guess.

I'm upwind from my state's active reactors, but I'd be pefectly happy living downwind. Never been a major problem.
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  - "the price was too high"??  jpak   Jun-30-09 07:27 AM   #1 
  - Liability is too high  underpants   Jun-30-09 05:54 PM   #37 
  - That is too bad  MARALE   Jun-30-09 07:59 AM   #2 
  - "Clean Energy?"  Jimbo909   Jun-30-09 08:36 AM   #4 
  - Welcome to D.U. Jimbo909  Auggie   Jun-30-09 08:55 AM   #7 
  - Those boondoggle nukes cost US ratepayers $112 billion  jpak   Jun-30-09 09:09 AM   #10 
  - Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jun-30-09 02:02 PM   #30 
  - Not to mention the front matter of your phone book  KamaAina   Jun-30-09 05:49 PM   #35 
  - Recylced Uranium  enviralment   Jul-02-09 09:21 AM   #52 
     - You might want to check it out...  ProudDad   Jul-03-09 07:14 PM   #61 
        - Compared to what?  enviralment   Jul-06-09 10:36 AM   #65 
  - Nothing clean about nuclear power  madokie   Jun-30-09 08:43 AM   #5 
  - So what should we use? Wind and solar won't cut it, and even wind  kegler14   Jun-30-09 08:52 AM   #6 
  - "Wind and solar won't cut it" - nonsense  jpak   Jun-30-09 09:04 AM   #8 
  - You ignore the differences in power usage...  WriteDown   Jun-30-09 09:14 AM   #11 
  - As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.  Tesha   Jun-30-09 05:47 PM   #34 
  - Science isn't your forte is it?  WriteDown   Jun-30-09 10:40 PM   #38 
     - Science isn't yours.  bananas   Jul-01-09 05:26 AM   #39 
        - Link?  WriteDown   Jul-01-09 07:31 AM   #40 
           - Maybe the wind turbine at your neighbor's house can't power an arc welder.  Tesha   Jul-01-09 11:38 AM   #41 
              - Ugh...  WriteDown   Jul-01-09 01:00 PM   #42 
                 - You're only making things worse for yourself.  Tesha   Jul-01-09 03:05 PM   #44 
                    - They are truly amazing...  WriteDown   Jul-01-09 03:18 PM   #45 
                       - Placed in the right locations, the wind is pretty reliable.  Tesha   Jul-01-09 03:45 PM   #46 
                       - My offer of proof...  WriteDown   Jul-01-09 04:29 PM   #47 
                          - In other words, what you're saying is that "(You) have no idea what you're talking about".  Tesha   Jul-01-09 04:38 PM   #48 
                             - Look at the puppy!!  WriteDown   Jul-01-09 04:45 PM   #49 
                                - You're right  ProudDad   Jul-03-09 07:22 PM   #64 
                       - Denmark and wind  enviralment   Jul-02-09 10:07 AM   #57 
                       - You don't know much about what's going on, do you?  ProudDad   Jul-03-09 07:19 PM   #63 
  - ahh - tell that to the FRENCH - they have been using solar for HEAVY INDUSTRIAL for DEDCADES...  TankLV   Jul-02-09 01:53 AM   #50 
     - Odd...  WriteDown   Jul-02-09 09:26 AM   #53 
     - the french and nuclear  enviralment   Jul-02-09 09:55 AM   #56 
        - The French have one of the largest and most powerful solar plant that has been specifically powering  TankLV   Jul-03-09 04:34 PM   #58 
  - My electric comes from Nuclear.  winter999   Jun-30-09 09:24 AM   #12 
  - you know what you can do with your WASTE...  TankLV   Jul-02-09 01:55 AM   #51 
  - And photovoltaics are made from completely clean unicorn farts.  AtheistCrusader   Jun-30-09 09:58 AM   #19 
  - Unicorn farts? Really! I never knew. Thanks!  ChairmanAgnostic   Jun-30-09 11:01 AM   #25 
  - Yes, there are pros and cons to all energy sources  MARALE   Jul-01-09 01:27 PM   #43 
  - Can't base-load with wind.  enviralment   Jul-02-09 09:39 AM   #55 
  - Ugly is in the eye of the can't do it's  madokie   Jun-30-09 09:04 AM   #9 
  - Yes, the clean white lines of the turbines are much more attractive than  mbperrin   Jun-30-09 09:31 AM   #13 
  - Oh yeah  madokie   Jun-30-09 09:48 AM   #17 
  - Have they figured out how to  winter999   Jun-30-09 09:51 AM   #18 
  - What a Quixotic post.  boppers   Jul-03-09 04:59 PM   #59 
  - I was wrong about the birds. But I sure as hell don't want them on my mountains.  kegler14   Jun-30-09 01:24 PM   #29 
  - Yeah, right. I live in the mountains. In that setting, turbines are just as ugly  kegler14   Jun-30-09 01:18 PM   #28 
  - What should we use to what?  Terry in Austin   Jun-30-09 02:56 PM   #32 
  - Power down  ProudDad   Jul-03-09 07:15 PM   #62 
  - thanks  donquijoterocket   Jun-30-09 11:24 AM   #26 
  - The only "right way" to do nuclear is through the fusion process.  NinetySix   Jun-30-09 10:39 AM   #24 
     - Good luck with that  Terry in Austin   Jun-30-09 02:44 PM   #31 
        - Practical fusion is a lot closer now than it has been.  Tesha   Jun-30-09 05:50 PM   #36 
  - I expect Ontario is looking  GDAEx2   Jun-30-09 08:31 AM   #3 
  - Private sector failings  enviralment   Jul-02-09 09:30 AM   #54 
  - good - sanity reigns in Canada  ensho   Jun-30-09 09:43 AM   #14 
  - Jini's out of the bottle. It'll never go back in.  winter999   Jun-30-09 09:44 AM   #15 
  - Pff, it was just a scam to hide the country's nuclear weapons program anyway  HEyHEY   Jun-30-09 09:46 AM   #16 
  - Now  ImOnlySleeping   Jun-30-09 10:10 AM   #21 
     - Oh, they'll pay... they'll ALLLL pay.  HEyHEY   Jun-30-09 10:32 AM   #22 
  - good -- nt  xchrom   Jun-30-09 10:09 AM   #20 
  - They want more federal assistance because of the way the economy is as a result of the recession. n/  Dave From Canada   Jun-30-09 10:36 AM   #23 
  - Good - let's wait for new technology  TrogL   Jun-30-09 12:12 PM   #27 
  - Three-part post by FogerRox the other day  bananas   Jun-30-09 05:32 PM   #33 
  - It's silly to keep relying on depleting resources... (n/t)  ProudDad   Jul-03-09 07:12 PM   #60 
     - Everything is depleting  enviralment   Jul-06-09 10:41 AM   #66 

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