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Sun Jun-28-09 10:06 PM
Response to Reply #54 |
| 89. No, I am not the one who is responding to something other than what was said |
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I am simply stating that if we have an insurance market with multiple plans, there needs to be benchmarks so people and governmental bodies have a meaningful way to evaluate their effectiveness. That has nothing to do with rationing or pooled risk or anything else either of the two responders said.
If you have any experience with benchmarking business processes you will get what I am talking about. If not, you won't, and any response will be as useless as the two I got previously.
Health care plans are benchmarked and rated all the time. This is how we know France's health care system is rated #1. Someone or some group spent the time to look at pieces of the plans of various countries and compared them and came up with a rating system. That is a kind of benchmarking called performance benchmarking. That rating did not include costs but there isnt any reason why it couldn't in the future.
The reason this is needed even more acutely with a public option being in the mix with private insurers is to counter false arguments that it is providing care less efficiently and effectively or if the argument is made and it is not false, someone can then step in and try to fix it. It is also critical with a public option for the very reason someone else stated regarding the risk that the sickest and poorest may flock to the public option.
If the systems are properly benchmarked then it doesnt matter if the sickest and poorest tend to go to one plan. As long as we see that:
Private Plan A saw 10000 patients with an acute case of Y disease and spent an average of $5000 per patient and 10% of patients died
Private Plan B saw 8000 patients with an acute case of Y disease and spent an average of $4500 per patient and 12% of patients died.
The Public plan saw 2,000,000 patients with an acute case of Y disease and spent an average of $5000 per patient and 8% of patients died.
or Public plan saw 2,000,000 patients with an acute case of Y disease and spent an average of $8000 per patient and 2% of patients died.
Those are the kinds of benchmarks I am talking about and I have even simplified them a bit. Age and prior healthcare and other factors could be added. The point is that the overall costs of the plans (and thus things like the concept of pooled risk) are irrelevant because we are looking at average costs and average success rates of people who present similarly. We need to know which plans are effectively and efficiently handling health issues. Obviously if in the above case we had the Public plan seeing 2,000,000 patients with an acute case of Y disease and they were spending $15,000 per patient and 20% were dying, we would know there is a high likelihood that we have a problem and someone needs to check it out.
This is the answer to Diane Feinstine's question about cost of a public plan. You put into place a strong system of benchmarks to see what you are getting.
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| -Health-Care Activists Targeting Democrats |
undeterred |
Jun-27-09 09:11 PM |
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It is about time. |
pleah |
Jun-27-09 09:15 PM |
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Damned right lets target the "centrist Democrats" If they want to govern like rePUKES let them run l |
Vincardog |
Jun-28-09 01:31 PM |
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ABSOLUTELY -well said..."it's about time"! it's also about time Democrats stood up for the people |
GreenTea |
Jun-28-09 03:30 PM |
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The more the better |
depakid |
Jun-27-09 09:16 PM |
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Where do I give money? nt |
patrice |
Jun-27-09 09:23 PM |
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Move On is running ad campaigns |
undeterred |
Jun-27-09 10:18 PM |
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Health Care for America Now is a coalition of groups working for |
No Elephants |
Jun-28-09 11:49 AM |
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Here's links to 9 Senators (D) |
mascarax |
Jun-27-09 09:42 PM |
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Oh, boo-fucking-hoo. I lived in a country with socialized medicine. |
Suji to Seoul |
Jun-28-09 12:00 AM |
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I just sent an email to every one, except Wyden. He only wants to hear from people in his state. |
Doremus |
Jun-28-09 12:19 AM |
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This attitude really pisses me off. |
xxqqqzme |
Jun-28-09 02:01 AM |
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Barney Frank does the same thing. nt |
imdjh |
Jun-28-09 01:20 PM |
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You and me both |
primavera |
Jun-29-09 09:20 AM |
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Doesn't that piss you off? They vote on things affecting us all, but they only want local mail. |
imdjh |
Jun-28-09 01:20 PM |
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Very much so, yes. - n/t |
primavera |
Jun-29-09 09:21 AM |
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I am from Oregon. Wyden is not representing his constituents. |
Go2Peace |
Jun-28-09 02:01 PM |
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Have anyof his constituents done a search for the money? It always makes sense to follow the money! |
bobbolink |
Jun-28-09 02:52 PM |
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I added my name and donated for this add |
lame54 |
Jun-28-09 04:12 PM |
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Very good! Thanks for showing this. Has it been posted on DU by itself? |
bobbolink |
Jun-28-09 08:41 PM |
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wtf is wrong with wyden? i though he was one of the good guys. |
mopinko |
Jun-28-09 05:10 PM |
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An incomplete list. |
disndat |
Jun-28-09 11:44 AM |
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We must have health care reform NOW |
quidam56 |
Jun-27-09 09:50 PM |
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thing is... public option does nothing to remove private health |
nightrain |
Jun-27-09 10:01 PM |
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agree |
MisterK |
Jun-27-09 10:06 PM |
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The public option will compete with insurance companies |
creeksneakers2 |
Jun-27-09 10:16 PM |
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more than likely the public option will end up with a pool of the |
nightrain |
Jun-27-09 10:32 PM |
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I disagree with your characterization even as I see that you are constructing your argument very |
stevenleser |
Jun-27-09 11:25 PM |
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No, it's not "benchmarks." Insurance works by pooling risk. |
PSPS |
Jun-28-09 02:41 AM |
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OK, you dont get it. That's fine n/t |
stevenleser |
Jun-28-09 10:55 AM |
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PSPS is on the money (no pun intended). |
No Elephants |
Jun-28-09 11:58 AM |
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To whatever they think they are responding they might be, not to what I wrote n/t |
stevenleser |
Jun-28-09 09:33 PM |
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healthcare doesn't work by "benchmarks". This whole idea |
nightrain |
Jun-28-09 07:48 AM |
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As with the other responder, you completely miss what I am saying. n/t |
stevenleser |
Jun-28-09 10:56 AM |
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well then, restate it. And/or pay attention to what we are saying... |
nightrain |
Jun-28-09 11:46 AM |
#54 |
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No, I am not the one who is responding to something other than what was said |
stevenleser |
Jun-28-09 10:06 PM |
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yes, and Ins Cos will dump all the expensive cases so Public seems too costly to taxpayers |
WillYourVoteBCounted |
Jun-27-09 11:31 PM |
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yep, just wait and see.... sad.... |
nightrain |
Jun-28-09 12:59 PM |
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Unless the privates are outlawed from |
ProudDad |
Jun-28-09 01:04 AM |
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+1. . (rec this post). . n/t |
annabanana |
Jun-28-09 05:27 AM |
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I'm not sure that a public option will end up with Just the sickest. |
fasttense |
Jun-28-09 06:17 AM |
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I'm healthy and employed and would switch to the public option.... |
rucky |
Jun-28-09 07:40 AM |
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me too. Just on principle alone |
stevenleser |
Jun-28-09 10:10 PM |
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Are you implying that a public option would charge less for young, healthy people? |
CTyankee |
Jun-28-09 11:13 AM |
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Well, here is one healthy family of four that will drop my employer-subsidized plan |
AllyCat |
Jun-28-09 12:03 PM |
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Not as terrified as people would like to have us believe and not anywhere near as terrfied as they |
No Elephants |
Jun-28-09 12:01 PM |
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yes they are |
GinaMaria |
Jun-28-09 03:23 PM |
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I'm a huge Single Payer advocate but there is no way in the world that it's going to go |
bertman |
Jun-27-09 11:30 PM |
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what about if the government buys some of the health care companies |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-27-09 11:54 PM |
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Interesting idea. I have not given that any thought, but I will now. My guess is that they |
bertman |
Jun-28-09 01:04 AM |
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Exactly |
ProudDad |
Jun-28-09 01:13 AM |
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So... much.... waste... |
Beartracks |
Jun-28-09 03:37 AM |
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You got it |
Canuckistanian |
Jun-28-09 03:34 PM |
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"Not to mention CEOs who ain't worth the crap that clings to their undershorts..." |
bertman |
Jun-28-09 11:31 AM |
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Why, thanks... |
ProudDad |
Jun-28-09 02:40 PM |
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The government may dissect some of the waste assets they own |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-28-09 02:40 PM |
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Atta boy ! |
MisterK |
Jun-27-09 10:05 PM |
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Wyden is a tool in any case |
Bluenorthwest |
Jun-27-09 10:23 PM |
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I would love to see DeFazio take him out |
depakid |
Jun-27-09 10:28 PM |
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Well...we got rid of Smith |
Oldenuff |
Jun-27-09 10:38 PM |
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thanks for the info |
NJCher |
Jun-27-09 10:32 PM |
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Good! We need 51 votes, with or without reconciliation, to pass a strong public option |
Better Believe It |
Jun-27-09 10:51 PM |
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The only thing to do. The Repubs will be against anything n/t |
eridani |
Jun-28-09 12:21 AM |
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I feel that some have betrayed "We the People". |
farmboxer |
Jun-28-09 12:32 AM |
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Those so called "democrats" are bringing it on themselves |
Dragonfli |
Jun-28-09 01:16 AM |
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as well as a comfortable health insurance plan for life. |
PuraVidaDreamin |
Jun-28-09 03:53 AM |
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Instead of worrying about voters you might lose concentrate on those new voters you will win by bold |
bjobotts |
Jun-28-09 01:47 AM |
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Maybe these health care advocates need to |
Pharlo |
Jun-28-09 05:40 AM |
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Primary fund |
gdebs |
Jun-28-09 05:01 PM |
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Tell These People That CENTRISTS and even 50% of REPUBLICANS want public option !! |
RBInMaine |
Jun-28-09 06:40 AM |
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If the Republicans weren't so screwy |
The Wizard |
Jun-28-09 07:20 AM |
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haven't seen this point |
Aragorn |
Jun-28-09 08:14 AM |
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Our reps are mostly corrupt and there's nothing that is going to change that. |
L0oniX |
Jun-28-09 08:32 AM |
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We NEED A National Referendum For Campaign Finance Reform and Election Reform! |
DaLittle Kitty |
Jun-28-09 11:48 AM |
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I think we broke the Post. |
uberblonde |
Jun-28-09 08:42 AM |
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Putting pressure on Dem Senators.... |
kooljerk666 |
Jun-28-09 08:57 AM |
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k+r |
flamingdem |
Jun-28-09 11:20 AM |
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They should ask these 9-12 ConservaDems why they want to prevent the American public from having |
4lbs |
Jun-28-09 11:22 AM |
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Why waste effort to defy public option, Obama/Dems? Some aren't |
MarjorieG |
Jun-28-09 11:26 AM |
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Oh no, we musn't alienate centrist Democrats! |
sandyd921 |
Jun-28-09 11:38 AM |
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I'm tired of centrists setting the agenda. |
EndElectoral |
Jun-28-09 01:47 PM |
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Being against a public option isn't centrist, it's right wing. The public option is the centrist |
Pushed To The Left |
Jun-28-09 09:04 PM |
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Same thing. |
sandyd921 |
Jun-29-09 08:11 AM |
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I guess we are not willing to tolerate betrayal from our friends. |
Deep13 |
Jun-28-09 11:53 AM |
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Not only is it about time that progressives are being more vocal, it's about time that |
No Elephants |
Jun-28-09 12:09 PM |
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bout time these backstabbing bastards are put in their place. |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-28-09 12:11 PM |
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recommend |
xchrom |
Jun-28-09 01:02 PM |
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Good for them! KEEP THE PRESSURE UP!!! |
TankLV |
Jun-28-09 01:21 PM |
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It is about time! |
LaPera |
Jun-28-09 03:36 PM |
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Moderate IS having a public option! |
LiberalLovinLug |
Jun-28-09 04:00 PM |
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YESSSSSS! |
LaPera |
Jun-28-09 05:27 PM |
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If they don't vote for a public option they're FIRED! |
Joanne98 |
Jun-28-09 04:10 PM |
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Good, they need to be blitzed... |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-28-09 06:01 PM |
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That list is too small. What about enlarging it to include Bayh et al. |
MasonJar |
Jun-28-09 08:48 PM |
#86 |