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Thu Jun-25-09 05:29 PM
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| 95. no fetus is "guaranteed viable" until after it has been born and lived outside |
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of the pregnant woman.
gestational age is not a guarantee of surviving birth and living independently.
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| -Virginia Abortion Restriction Is Upheld |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 12:40 PM |
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Never a big partial birth fan.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 12:42 PM |
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No one is a fan of it |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 12:44 PM |
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I would wager it depends on what the woman wants... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 12:46 PM |
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I would have no issue with that |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 12:48 PM |
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I'm guessing that no woman was ever forced to undergo a "partial birth abortion", |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-25-09 05:09 PM |
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Drowning a one month old should be between |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:33 PM |
#98 |
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No matter how many times you try this, it is still bullshit |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 06:31 PM |
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I agree with that... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 09:26 PM |
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You're joking right? |
xxqqqzme |
Jun-25-09 06:32 PM |
#122 |
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Prove it.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 09:25 PM |
#127 |
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+1 |
vadawg |
Jun-25-09 12:46 PM |
#4 |
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and of course, as a literate, educated progressive, |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 12:48 PM |
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That is pretty bogus... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 12:52 PM |
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a severely compromised fetus |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 12:57 PM |
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Who said anything about a severely compromised fetus? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:00 PM |
#11 |
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12 years ago he said "Mr. Fitzsimmons said he continued to support this procedure and abortion right |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 01:12 PM |
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So things have changed? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:13 PM |
#14 |
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Yes, things have changed. It is now against the law... |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 01:18 PM |
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How convenient for you that you don't have a uterus and so |
Arugula Latte |
Jun-25-09 02:50 PM |
#69 |
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You have to use your head. We know this man is full of it because |
EFerrari |
Jun-25-09 02:05 PM |
#55 |
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few doctors and getting fewer |
mopinko |
Jun-25-09 05:20 PM |
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He did not say that... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:41 PM |
#103 |
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"some will say" that questioning the purity of those who disagree is the opposite of progressive |
Psephos |
Jun-25-09 01:15 PM |
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why don't you go harass |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 01:25 PM |
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I agree, well said - nt |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 01:31 PM |
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I agree.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:33 PM |
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partial birth is a non-sequitur |
noiretextatique |
Jun-25-09 02:29 PM |
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Dishing with alacrity but receiving with affrontery. Luv it. ;) |
Psephos |
Jun-25-09 01:46 PM |
#39 |
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pot. kettle. black. |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 01:54 PM |
#50 |
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not at all - glad to have your comments n/t |
Psephos |
Jun-26-09 12:18 AM |
#136 |
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No. Women who carry a baby for six or seven months don't do it |
EFerrari |
Jun-25-09 01:30 PM |
#25 |
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See post #11. |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:45 PM |
#37 |
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you cite a very old article with one person |
noiretextatique |
Jun-25-09 02:31 PM |
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Or they don't know they're pregnant (it happens). Or they're young and scared. Or they don't have an |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 03:41 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jun-25-09 03:45 PM |
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Show me the numbers. In all honesty, I did a search |
EFerrari |
Jun-25-09 03:53 PM |
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Only 1% of abortions are after 21st week. So not at all common. Having cancer is not somehow a |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 03:56 PM |
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I've never met a woman who celebrated any abortion, at six weeks |
EFerrari |
Jun-25-09 03:59 PM |
#80 |
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Oh, it's worse than that |
lark |
Jun-25-09 05:54 PM |
#113 |
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Intact D&E's simply aren't done on perfectly functional, viable fetuses |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-25-09 05:12 PM |
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What a shock. You are a man. From Texas. Betcha you're a bible-thumper, too. |
kestrel91316 |
Jun-25-09 05:13 PM |
#91 |
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Who says I'm a native? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:31 PM |
#96 |
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that's even worse then, you moved there on purpose n/t |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 05:39 PM |
#102 |
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Yeah...I sold out.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:52 PM |
#110 |
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For you info. CA quite rightly voted down Credit Card measures |
Devil_Fish |
Jun-25-09 09:07 PM |
#124 |
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don't be so stupid. |
mopinko |
Jun-25-09 05:16 PM |
#92 |
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Yes. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-26-09 11:04 AM |
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Why are you assuming the baby could live? |
lark |
Jun-25-09 05:50 PM |
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Your side of caution wrt the fetus |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-26-09 11:04 AM |
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Why is a fetus more important than a woman? |
EndersDame |
Jun-27-09 03:34 PM |
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ding! |
fascisthunter |
Jun-25-09 12:53 PM |
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Yep, it's proving true, judging from the replies, that I was spot on updating |
Stellabella |
Jun-25-09 01:24 PM |
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I think before we jump quickly to put people on ignore list we |
KTinaY2008 |
Jun-25-09 03:32 PM |
#72 |
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shit-stirrers who can dig up obscure 12-year-old links |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 03:39 PM |
#73 |
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Wise words - nt |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 09:13 PM |
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Most every abortion thread is educational. |
Lars39 |
Jun-25-09 09:17 PM |
#126 |
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Belated Welcome to DU! |
Strong Atheist |
Jun-25-09 11:31 PM |
#131 |
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right there with you on the ignore thing. |
mopinko |
Jun-25-09 05:17 PM |
#93 |
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There are two points to consider here |
Warpy |
Jun-25-09 01:07 PM |
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+ 1 |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 01:14 PM |
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And as an addendum (expanding on these issues), see #31. n/t |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 03:45 PM |
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There's no such thing as "partial birth abortion". It's a term the Right made up. Late term abortion |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:20 PM |
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Very true, although the result is identical regardless.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:22 PM |
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Medically, there is nothing called partial birth abortion. It's an incendiary term the right made up |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:26 PM |
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So we are not to believe whistle blowers? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:32 PM |
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Mental health refers to the mental status of a woman. If you don't know what "mental health" is, |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:34 PM |
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2003 SC decision -banned only 1specific procedure & only if physician began with intent of using D&X |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:38 PM |
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So basically anything... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:39 PM |
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I'm glad you have the ability to judge another person's mental health status. I've never met anyone |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:40 PM |
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Why does depression.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:43 PM |
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who in the hell do you think you are to make decisions for women? |
noiretextatique |
Jun-25-09 02:34 PM |
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Why? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 02:38 PM |
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Your putting up a strawman |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 01:37 PM |
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Are you reading the whole posts... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:42 PM |
#34 |
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So you must not think one's mental health is all that important. I put the life of a human above the |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:46 PM |
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Seems like we should also extend the privilege |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:49 PM |
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Your inability to think logically has just become apparent. Good-bye. n/t |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:50 PM |
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Your lack of any real response... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:52 PM |
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THEY can't argue THEIR point? |
Occulus |
Jun-25-09 11:56 PM |
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WTF? |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 01:59 PM |
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"The only difference is a few attached blood vessels" |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 05:37 PM |
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What are the others? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:38 PM |
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oh gee, it's INSIDE my uterus for one thing, and i'll have to be cut open through |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 05:43 PM |
#104 |
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Not you.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:47 PM |
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that IS what's different about a fetus in utero and a baby that has been born |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 05:49 PM |
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So there is nothing different then? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:55 PM |
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according to you, no, there are only a "few blood vessels" that are different n/t |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 06:34 PM |
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And who are you to draw this line? |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 01:49 PM |
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What line would you like drawn? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 02:39 PM |
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oh goody, a two for one sale on strawmen |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 03:02 PM |
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Che? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 03:08 PM |
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Now your contradicting yourself |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 04:02 PM |
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You're reading too much into it... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 04:06 PM |
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No, sorry but I don't think so |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 04:44 PM |
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Okay... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:02 PM |
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Already done |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 05:31 PM |
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Not really.. |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:38 PM |
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And you go on with it... unbelievable |
Ohio Joe |
Jun-25-09 06:24 PM |
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In fact, having a late abortion is LESS risky than carrying a pregnancy full term - see #82. |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 04:07 PM |
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you don't know if it CAN live outside the womb until it has done so.... |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 05:47 PM |
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Kind of like a cat in a sealed box... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 05:56 PM |
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nope, not at all like that n/t |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 06:24 PM |
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Ding, ding |
lark |
Jun-25-09 06:06 PM |
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"whistle-blower" my ass. more like "forced-birth mole". |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 01:44 PM |
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Do you work for a big corporation? |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:46 PM |
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Personal attacks are unnecessary. If you cannot debate in a civilized fashion, please leave. n/t |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:48 PM |
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Odd that you didn't pipe up after post 23... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:50 PM |
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tactics like "research"? |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 01:51 PM |
#47 |
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Let's try again |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 01:52 PM |
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Your inability to think logically has just become apparent. Good-bye. n/t |
musette_sf |
Jun-25-09 01:55 PM |
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His/her position is wholly inconsistent. See #34 & my response (#38) n/t |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:56 PM |
#52 |
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Time to donate to the Center for Reproductive Rights, which argued this case. They can appeal. |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:24 PM |
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Dirty tricks |
oexpress |
Jun-25-09 02:45 PM |
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Oh, you did it now, |
JonQ |
Jun-25-09 04:07 PM |
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How utterly unsurprising to see you say such a thing. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jun-25-09 05:13 PM |
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no fetus is "guaranteed viable" until after it has been born and lived outside |
Scout |
Jun-25-09 05:29 PM |
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Surviving birth |
JonQ |
Jun-25-09 05:53 PM |
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can we cut the silly rhetoric |
paulsby |
Jun-25-09 11:22 PM |
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Do you believe that once it is deemed "viable" medically |
JonQ |
Jun-26-09 09:38 AM |
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that's a tangential issue |
paulsby |
Jun-26-09 01:02 PM |
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I never disagreed that doctors have their own definition |
JonQ |
Jun-26-09 01:14 PM |
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stop parsing |
paulsby |
Jun-26-09 01:20 PM |
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Interesting response |
JonQ |
Jun-26-09 01:29 PM |
#148 |
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i agree vis a vis viable |
paulsby |
Jun-26-09 01:45 PM |
#149 |
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And as I have repeatedly stated |
JonQ |
Jun-26-09 02:48 PM |
#150 |
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that's a legal reference |
paulsby |
Jun-26-09 03:48 PM |
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Don't think it is at all as portrayed by the msm |
lark |
Jun-25-09 05:48 PM |
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have you heard that the ban also prevents pulling a dead fetus out |
KakistocracyHater |
Jun-25-09 05:53 PM |
#112 |
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Nobody waits until 21 or 22 weeks into the pregnancy |
lapfog_1 |
Jun-26-09 03:58 AM |
#140 |
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Three Step Solution |
asksam |
Jun-25-09 12:57 PM |
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wouldn't this be ruled under 'self defense' then? egad, has it come to that? /nt |
tomm2thumbs |
Jun-25-09 01:24 PM |
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good thing none of you were ever fetuses nt |
msongs |
Jun-25-09 01:50 PM |
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In fact, my mother would have had a much better life had she aborted me. I never would have known |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 01:58 PM |
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Same if she drowned you in a tub at 1 month... |
WriteDown |
Jun-25-09 02:29 PM |
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Right . . .we would have insisted on killing our mothers in order to be born--!!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-25-09 02:41 PM |
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Or we might not have survived and have taken our mothers with us |
EndersDame |
Jun-27-09 03:38 PM |
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Good thing some of us have had children , |
lark |
Jun-25-09 06:16 PM |
#118 |
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Fertilized eggs: anti-choicers say they represent A HUMAN. In fact, in the first 7 days, the egg can |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 02:11 PM |
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Fertilized eggs also quite often fail to attach to the womb lining . . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-25-09 02:38 PM |
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You're using too many big words...you're obviously wrong...God doesn't use big words... |
sutz12 |
Jun-25-09 02:49 PM |
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"Partial Truth Abortion" seeks to strip women of the right to self-defense . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-25-09 02:39 PM |
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War criminals go free, women and gays are 2nd-class citizens: let's go lecture |
mullard12ax7 |
Jun-25-09 02:46 PM |
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Why might a female get to 20+ weeks and need an abortion? See #74 for many possibilities. There are |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 03:48 PM |
#77 |
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equating |
paulsby |
Jun-25-09 11:24 PM |
#130 |
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That's the way the anti-choicers see it - you fooled around, now you pay the price. Saying you can |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 11:31 PM |
#132 |
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maybe in your mind |
paulsby |
Jun-25-09 11:39 PM |
#133 |
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Yes it is. |
Occulus |
Jun-26-09 12:01 AM |
#135 |
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i don't respond to ad hominems |
paulsby |
Jun-26-09 12:49 AM |
#137 |
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I figured that would be as far as you would get. |
Occulus |
Jun-26-09 02:18 AM |
#138 |
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if you are so intellectually void |
paulsby |
Jun-26-09 02:40 AM |
#139 |
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You DO know the difference between the personal "you" and the editorial "you", right? |
Occulus |
Jun-27-09 02:45 AM |
#152 |
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So the only possible reason anyone could oppose abortions |
JonQ |
Jun-26-09 10:12 AM |
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Maternal mortality (excl. of abortion):9.1 deaths/100,000 live births. Late abortion: 1 per 100,000 |
lindisfarne |
Jun-25-09 04:04 PM |
#82 |
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First Arizona now Virgina...what the fuck?! |
and-justice-for-all |
Jun-25-09 06:10 PM |
#117 |
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