Xithras
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Mon Jun-22-09 05:45 PM
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| 27. Legally, being a landlord does not imply endorsement. |
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Years ago I had a tenant in a rental who was arrested on child sex charges. The fact that I rented him the space to commit his crime doesn't imply my endorsement of it.
Same concept applies here. If the government is going to rent public facilities for private use, they cannot limit or prohibit the activities in that rented space based on any protected class. As a private landlord, I couldn't discriminate against renters because of their religious beliefs, or lack thereof. Government landlords are held to an even higher standard because of the Constitution.
It would only qualify as an endorsement of religion over non-religion if the city refused to rent a space to an atheist group promoting sane, reality based solutions to our economic problems. That's the big difference here...these religious people are renting the space, and have all the rights of any other tenant. If they want to use their rented space as a prayer room, they certainly have the right to do so. I personally think it's kind of a stupid thing to do, but stupidity is as much a right as any other. There would be a HUGE constitutional issue here if the city were simply giving them the space, or were offering them a space they wouldn't provide to other groups, but we're essentially just talking about a landlord/tenant relationship in a building that happens to be owned by the public. This is already settled constitutional law, and the city isn't violating any laws unless someone can show discriminatory application.
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| -(City of) Warren prayer booth under fire |
Bozita |
Jun-22-09 07:58 AM |
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So now what do they use for a restroom? |
TheCowsCameHome |
Jun-22-09 08:03 AM |
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WWJD. Jesus didn't have much use for public prayer |
sarge43 |
Jun-22-09 08:04 AM |
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get the red out |
Jun-22-09 08:27 AM |
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It's a verse I've committed to memory. |
sarge43 |
Jun-22-09 09:19 AM |
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And this is one of the things I love about my family |
5thGenDemocrat |
Jun-22-09 01:31 PM |
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Hey Kiddo |
sarge43 |
Jun-22-09 01:56 PM |
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Stopped raining an hour and a half before the noon start time |
5thGenDemocrat |
Jun-22-09 05:04 PM |
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Right on! |
patrice |
Jun-22-09 08:37 AM |
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Surely Muslims and Wiccans would also be welcomed with open arms, right? |
tanyev |
Jun-22-09 08:05 AM |
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The constitutional law professor needs to go back to school |
MindPilot |
Jun-22-09 09:58 AM |
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No, he's correct. |
Xithras |
Jun-22-09 03:01 PM |
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endorsement of religion over non-religion |
MindPilot |
Jun-22-09 05:10 PM |
#26 |
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Legally, being a landlord does not imply endorsement. |
Xithras |
Jun-22-09 05:45 PM |
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it can when the landlord is a government agency and the rent is free |
MindPilot |
Jun-22-09 06:18 PM |
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There are actually lots of Muslims in Warren. nt |
Romulox |
Jun-22-09 11:48 AM |
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They're probably not obnoxious enough to try doing the same thing, but I wish they would. |
tanyev |
Jun-22-09 04:25 PM |
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Dude. You know NOTHING about the community there. Poor attempt at a save. |
Romulox |
Jun-22-09 04:33 PM |
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My original post was meant to be snarky about the public reaction |
tanyev |
Jun-22-09 04:36 PM |
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I know, but it wasn't based on knowledge of the community, and fell wide of the mark. |
Romulox |
Jun-22-09 04:41 PM |
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to make all religions happy they should also install |
rurallib |
Jun-22-09 08:07 AM |
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can't forget FSM. RAmen. |
Devil_Fish |
Jun-24-09 11:06 PM |
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Don't forget the pagans and druids |
northernlights |
Jun-22-09 08:24 AM |
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How does one know whether it is God rewarding your faith vs. a group rewarding your conformity to th |
patrice |
Jun-22-09 08:27 AM |
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Allowing these "church people" in power is why we're in this mess |
santamargarita |
Jun-22-09 08:51 AM |
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Seriously. |
krabigirl |
Jun-22-09 08:24 PM |
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How come they are all for less government intrusion in our lives |
MindPilot |
Jun-22-09 09:36 AM |
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That's always been my question |
get the red out |
Jun-22-09 09:44 AM |
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"Rev" Darius, you sir, are full of shit. |
Soylent Brice |
Jun-22-09 10:00 AM |
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I think suicide booths would be more useful. nt |
Javaman |
Jun-22-09 11:44 AM |
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I was expecting to read about a gun battle |
TrogL |
Jun-22-09 12:28 PM |
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oh, so everybody can now see how "pious" they are? they can't just sit on a bench and pray? |
ima_sinnic |
Jun-22-09 06:18 PM |
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This is illegal. |
Zhade |
Jun-24-09 08:46 PM |
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Since church is people, and not a building, |
GoddessOfGuinness |
Jun-25-09 12:18 AM |
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