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Mon Jun-22-09 10:44 AM
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| 46. Big names eye Lehman’s debt |
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/3aa71240-5ea1-11de-91ad-00144... The hedge funds that have been buying Lehman debt at a discount include some of the industry’s best-known operators – such as Elliott Associates, John Paulson’s Paulson & Co, King Street and Centerbridge Partners . However, in spite of all the interest, buying Lehman debt is not an investment for the faint of heart. Sorting out the claims in the case could take years, and that means investors will have to pay big legal fees while waiting patiently for courts to rule. “You can’t analyse Lehman by looking at its assets and liabilities or assessing the business model. Lehman is like betting on red 27 on the roulette table,” said the co-founder of a leading credit hedge fund who has decided against buying Lehman debt. “It isn’t about investing; it is all about probabilities you can’t quantify.” Elliott said in a recent letter to its investors that it expected “to spend more time in the months ahead” looking into foreign affiliates of Lehman that it believes “owe tens of billions of dollars back to the Lehman holding company”. Court documents say Elliott, King Street and Paulson together control $12.5bn in claims. In its letter, Elliott said: “In the March quarter, we continued to build the position in the Lehman Brothers claims.”
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| -STOCK MARKET WATCH, Monday June 22 |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 05:51 AM |
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Did anyone else have trouble connecting to DU? |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 05:53 AM |
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not this morning, but last evening |
DemReadingDU |
Jun-22-09 05:55 AM |
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Yes; seems better now. Question: |
snot |
Jun-22-09 06:01 AM |
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Canada has emerged as an international exception. Britain is wrestling with this issue. |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:10 AM |
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Ritholtz weighs in. |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:48 AM |
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I have. Last night especially. |
Joanne98 |
Jun-22-09 10:49 AM |
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Market Observation by Tim W. Wood |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 05:55 AM |
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no goobermental reports today |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 05:56 AM |
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Oil falls to near $69 as optimism on economy wanes |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 05:58 AM |
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Crude Oil Declines as World Bank Predicts a Deeper Recession |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:30 AM |
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Yesterday I Paid $2.60 |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 06:45 AM |
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World stocks slip |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:01 AM |
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Housing Eludes Recovery as Job Losses, Foreclosures Climb |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:13 AM |
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People who don't have jobs are not gonna rush out and buy houses |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 06:45 AM |
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I believe this FIRE reliance is pretty recent. |
Hugin |
Jun-22-09 08:00 AM |
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Back in the olden days.... |
AnneD |
Jun-22-09 11:43 AM |
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Near As I Can Reckon, It Always Turned on Jobs |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:14 AM |
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Morning Marketeers..... |
AnneD |
Jun-22-09 11:37 AM |
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And repeat that story millions of times and you pretty well describe this economy. |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 03:01 PM |
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It has always been about jobs... |
AnneD |
Jun-22-09 03:06 PM |
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Okay, how 'bout if we outlaw robots? |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 02:54 PM |
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Seriously, how is the robot thing supposed to work? |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 03:07 PM |
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I Rather Think Chairman Mao Was Onto Something |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 08:40 PM |
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Insiders Exit Shares at the Fastest Pace in Two Years (caveat emptor) |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:16 AM |
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What I wanta know is. . . . |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 06:43 AM |
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Pension Funds, Probably |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 06:47 AM |
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Pensions, and 401(k), and IRAs |
DemReadingDU |
Jun-22-09 07:25 AM |
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Tansy, companies will often buy their own stocks. |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:57 AM |
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The discussion threads over at Google Finance are just loaded with those of whom you speak. |
Hugin |
Jun-22-09 08:11 AM |
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But either way, it's not sustainable, is it? |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 08:29 AM |
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It is sustainable, IMO, as long as a rally will support the valuations they want. |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 08:49 AM |
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so what you're saying, then, is that the stock market numbers |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 09:04 AM |
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"because in fact they are completely divorced from "the economy." |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 09:55 AM |
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"And don't forget 'hope'." |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 10:19 AM |
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I would say so. |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 12:14 PM |
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The market is divorced from the economy.... |
AnneD |
Jun-22-09 11:51 AM |
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I believe, sir, you are saying that Skynet has already taken over, |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 03:18 PM |
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We primates have ben insanely lucky to make it this far. |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:28 PM |
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I'm Operating on the Assumption That Every Public Utterance Is a Lie, These Days |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:29 AM |
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Demeter shoots, |
hamerfan |
Jun-22-09 02:51 PM |
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History proves that effective lying is profitable. |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 03:31 PM |
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There Was a Wonderful Broadway Musical Called "How Now, Dow Jones?" |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:27 AM |
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Yepper. They're running from something. But who knows, it could just be |
Joanne98 |
Jun-22-09 10:50 AM |
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Big Japan Firms Less Pessimistic |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:37 AM |
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Good Morning Marketeers! |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 06:43 AM |
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Dilbert Applies to Our So-Called Economic Policy, Too |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 06:51 AM |
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Debt: 06/18/2009 11,399,258,796,766.10 (DOWN 3,511,431,307.88) (Debt down.) |
Festivito |
Jun-22-09 07:09 AM |
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Debt: 06/19/2009 11,397,711,606,020.00 (DOWN 1,547,190,746.10) (Little down.) |
Festivito |
Jun-22-09 04:10 PM |
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dollar watch |
UpInArms |
Jun-22-09 07:11 AM |
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Dollar gains on euro, but slips against yen |
UpInArms |
Jun-22-09 07:29 AM |
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Fed plans repo markets revamp |
UpInArms |
Jun-22-09 07:21 AM |
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Martin Weiss: California Collapsing |
DemReadingDU |
Jun-22-09 07:29 AM |
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Well that was cheerful reading... |
mrdmk |
Jun-22-09 01:26 PM |
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If we all jump up and down at the same time, maybe the San Andreas will give way. |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 03:34 PM |
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Treasurys up on World Bank outlook, Fed buyback |
UpInArms |
Jun-22-09 07:41 AM |
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Employers cutting back 401(k) plans |
UpInArms |
Jun-22-09 07:52 AM |
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Citi urges governments to pull bank foreclosure trigger |
UpInArms |
Jun-22-09 07:55 AM |
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. |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 08:42 AM |
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I Think the Headline Grossly Misrepresents Citi's Message |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:09 AM |
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That's why I was, er, speechless |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 02:49 PM |
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Obama defends Fed as overseer on systemic risk (Reuters) |
Hugin |
Jun-22-09 08:05 AM |
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Now THAT'S Audacity! |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:33 AM |
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No. |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 02:50 PM |
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Well, Yes, Most Audacity Is. |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 08:46 PM |
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The audacity of bullshit |
Hawkowl |
Jun-23-09 01:31 AM |
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Onion's Sunday Magazine Cover |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:34 AM |
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The Onion: ever relevant with gallows humor |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 06:56 PM |
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HERE'S HOW IT'S DONE: Beijing orders stock transfer |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:37 AM |
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Bankers’ pay soars in attempt to halt exodus |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:41 AM |
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Move to what? Retirement! |
mrdmk |
Jun-22-09 03:14 PM |
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Big names eye Lehman’s debt |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:44 AM |
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Fiat shake-up at Chrysler hits top gear |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:47 AM |
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That highlighted paragraph describes essence of what makes Mr. Marchione |
Ghost Dog |
Jun-22-09 02:29 PM |
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Swiss bankers at crossroads on secrecy (LIGHT DAWNS ON MATTERHORN) |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 10:50 AM |
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Too Big to be Restructured |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:00 AM |
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Waving Goodbye to the TARP |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:01 AM |
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‘It’s time to enshrine Hank Paulson as national hero’ WTF? |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:06 AM |
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And I am not so old that I can remember when Congress..... |
AnneD |
Jun-22-09 12:07 PM |
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And once upon a time, Wall Street Execs, preaching deregulation, went to prison |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 12:22 PM |
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The Good Old Days |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 02:22 PM |
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This weekend I re watched All the President's Men... |
AnneD |
Jun-22-09 02:34 PM |
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More Bile from Matt Taibbi |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 02:27 PM |
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MISSIVE FROM CHINA: Stimulus – at what cost? |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:13 AM |
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GM shows gravity of pension challenge By Tony Jackson |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:16 AM |
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Bill Gross: “Staying Rich in the New Normal” |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:18 AM |
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Does anybody have a link for support and resistance numbers? |
Joanne98 |
Jun-22-09 11:21 AM |
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Are you looking for a definitions page? |
ozymandius |
Jun-22-09 12:27 PM |
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Looting and How It Came to Pass |
Demeter |
Jun-22-09 11:22 AM |
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While California budget woes are making the news; Illinois is silently going through the same issues |
Robbien |
Jun-22-09 11:43 AM |
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Opinion: Selling Organs for Cash Should be Option |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jun-22-09 02:46 PM |
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. |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 03:01 PM |
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Yep. |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jun-22-09 03:13 PM |
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Why not just convict them of a crime, |
zogofzorkon |
Jun-22-09 03:14 PM |
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But you can't execute them by poison gas or lethal injection. |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 03:52 PM |
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So, are we finally at the beginning of the end? |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jun-22-09 03:46 PM |
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z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z |
Tansy_Gold |
Jun-22-09 03:54 PM |
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What are green shoots? |
DemReadingDU |
Jun-22-09 05:18 PM |
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Okay, I couldn't find the Sam Waterston SNL clip. Copyright issues. But here is a re-enactment, |
tclambert |
Jun-22-09 04:01 PM |
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