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24601 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 07:25 PM
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32. Not to get into this particular issue, but how do you get to
a "felony" based only on a Constitutional right? If a government violates a right, there may be a civil course of action to stop it in the courts; however, that does not translate into a violation of criminal law unless there is a corresponding statute. Example, you are busted for running a yellow light and the cop, because he's an asshole, takes you in instead of issuing a ticket. The judge lets you go and you sue the city for violating your rights - but that is a civil, not a criminal case. Change the circumstances and let's say the cop took you in, not because he's an asshole but because of your race. Now the DOJ may take up a the case in criminal court as a "felony" violation of a civil rights law with criminal penalties. But that is because the law was passed by Congress, not because it's in the Constitution.

But on searches - don't tie reasonable to always needing a warrant because it isn't so. Just try to cross the border and tell customs they can't search without a warrant - they'll laugh you all the way to jail. Searches are also permitted without warrants in various non-border situation such as incident to arrest.

Let's say the Mexicans invade New Mexico and the Army fights them off and takes prisoners of war - the search also is without a warrant - and constitutional - because it's reasonable.

The part about a warrant means precisely that - that a warrant requires probable cause - it doesn't mean that a warrant is needed to make a search reasonable.

This issue has been a "lawyer full employment plan" for years and years.

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  - Betcha Feinstein Doesn't Email, Either  Demeter   Jun-17-09 12:51 PM   #1 
  - DiFi: NSA not flagrantly violating laws  OnyxCollie   Jun-17-09 12:53 PM   #2 
  - Capturing every Email text message and phone call is not flagrant enough? WTF?  Vincardog   Jun-17-09 12:56 PM   #3 
  - They'll probably try some bullshit defense based upon passivity.  Ignis   Jun-18-09 01:36 PM   #31 
  - So, she's making this judgement BEFORE her committee investigates?  ThomCat   Jun-17-09 12:57 PM   #4 
  - you got her there - I'm really getting tired of this Dino  tomm2thumbs   Jun-17-09 01:05 PM   #8 
     - When you start your "career"  atreides1   Jun-17-09 01:12 PM   #10 
  - I don't like her, she comes off as really dirty and corrupt  Mr. Sparkle   Jun-17-09 12:59 PM   #5 
  - That's because she IS really dirty and corrupt  mitchum   Jun-20-09 08:33 PM   #35 
  - Ok, there are non-flagrant violations.  pinniped   Jun-17-09 01:01 PM   #6 
  - follow up then a stern letter.  xxqqqzme   Jun-17-09 04:50 PM   #18 
     - If that doesn't do the trick, and it usually does, a stern warning....  pinniped   Jun-17-09 04:53 PM   #19 
  - If they aren't  awnobles   Jun-17-09 01:03 PM   #7 
  - Feinstein is Most Likely Being Blackmailed  AndyTiedye   Jun-17-09 01:09 PM   #9 
  - Feinstein has certainly lined her husband pockets with hundred of million of dollars  avaistheone1   Jun-17-09 01:13 PM   #12 
  - Could be  atreides1   Jun-17-09 01:15 PM   #13 
  - Oh, she makes me so sick  MsLeopard   Jun-17-09 01:12 PM   #11 
  - Just polite violations.  Vidar   Jun-17-09 01:21 PM   #14 
  - Well I guess that makes it ok then :)  winyanstaz   Jun-17-09 01:52 PM   #15 
  - It's real damn simple...  Prospero1   Jun-17-09 01:53 PM   #16 
  - Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jun-18-09 10:37 AM   #27 
  - Not to get into this particular issue, but how do you get to  24601   Jun-18-09 07:25 PM   #32 
     - wiretapping IS a felony  Prospero1   Jun-18-09 09:44 PM   #33 
        - The Courts consistently throw out cases where the government  24601   Jun-20-09 07:03 PM   #34 
  - trust dianne?...really?  madrchsod   Jun-17-09 02:07 PM   #17 
  - How comforting  Solly Mack   Jun-17-09 05:44 PM   #20 
  - FU*K YOU, DIFI! You are next on the chopping block..time to frog march you to prison, war profiteer  NoodleyAppendage   Jun-17-09 05:52 PM   #21 
  - Risen and Lictblau in the Times have some evidence, DiFi. How about yours?  librechik   Jun-17-09 06:13 PM   #22 
  - Really, Senator Feinstein? And we should be relieved because you say so?  seafan   Jun-17-09 08:38 PM   #23 
  - Feinstein is really more of a bottom senator.  jgraz   Jun-17-09 09:11 PM   #24 
  - DiFi a Dino  badgervan   Jun-17-09 11:43 PM   #25 
  - It's a holdover from the Cold War era that not all foreign communications are private. nt  Captain Hilts   Jun-18-09 08:02 AM   #26 
  - DiFi on Wifi--Screw the 4th Amendment. Yet another Republicrat.  No Elephants   Jun-18-09 11:39 AM   #28 
  - "Exceeded its bounds"  FlyByNight   Jun-18-09 12:02 PM   #29 
  - As a Californian, I pray each and every day that she will retire soon.  Maat   Jun-18-09 12:45 PM   #30 

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