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Mon Jun-08-09 12:31 PM
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| 5. Please point out to me where in the Bill of Rights it says "Citizen" |
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 If anybody's rights are violated, everybody's rights are violated. The stipulations in the Bill of Rights restrict the actions of government, not people.
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| -Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-08-09 11:50 AM |
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I just can't believe that someone |
downindixie |
Jun-08-09 12:11 PM |
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Yeah agree...I am all for immigration but it has to be legal |
Bankhead_ATL |
Jun-08-09 12:16 PM |
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Constitutional rights are |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 12:24 PM |
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No it doesn't.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 12:31 PM |
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Thanks for making my case: |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 12:40 PM |
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Its referring to the first sentence that said "citizens!" |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 12:48 PM |
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Back to Remedial for you, WriteWrong. |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 01:24 PM |
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So they just threw in that first sentence for fun? |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 02:14 PM |
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If due process is observed |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 02:35 PM |
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A citizen cannot be deported. |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 02:48 PM |
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Different penalties for different crimes |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 02:56 PM |
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Ah, but not quite.. |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 02:58 PM |
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Where? |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 03:14 PM |
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I also posted downthread... |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 03:39 PM |
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That does not answer my question |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 04:18 PM |
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So you're actually |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 04:27 PM |
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You still haven't answered my question. |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 05:04 PM |
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What's the point of being a citizen? |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 05:11 PM |
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No, I didn't |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 05:35 PM |
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Let's review... |
WriteDown |
Jun-09-09 08:57 AM |
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No, but you really need to believe |
Dogtown |
Jun-09-09 09:35 AM |
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Another non-response... |
WriteDown |
Jun-09-09 09:50 AM |
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Your "points" have all been rebutted |
Dogtown |
Jun-09-09 10:15 AM |
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So you're saying the Citizenship Clause is |
WriteDown |
Jun-09-09 10:31 AM |
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In what way does the Citizenship Clause |
Dogtown |
Jun-09-09 11:06 AM |
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Internet Rule #1 -- don't feed the trolls (n/t) |
ProudDad |
Jun-10-09 02:22 PM |
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Unless they have bad karma, according to you. |
Cal Carpenter |
Jun-08-09 03:41 PM |
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the sentence contains three distinct clauses with independent meanings |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 01:06 AM |
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By your own citation... |
WriteDown |
Jun-09-09 09:00 AM |
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No we haven't. We've proven the exact opposite. |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 12:00 PM |
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the Supreme Court disagrees with you |
JustinL |
Jun-08-09 01:42 PM |
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See post 16. nt |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 02:14 PM |
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See post 14. SCOTUS rulings generally trump your opinion (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jun-08-09 02:40 PM |
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Like Plessy v. Ferguson? |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 02:47 PM |
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hence the "generally" |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 01:08 AM |
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So how do we determine which ones are generally... |
WriteDown |
Jun-09-09 09:00 AM |
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Posteritatis said "SCOTUS rulings generally trump your opinion" |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 12:15 PM |
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Thanks, JustinL |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 03:36 PM |
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"ANY PERSON" |
ProudDad |
Jun-10-09 02:19 PM |
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Tourists enter the country legally and are accounted for. |
riverdeep |
Jun-10-09 08:20 PM |
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Not true |
ProudDad |
Jun-10-09 09:23 PM |
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Did you gloss over that "equal protection of the laws" part? nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-08-09 03:31 PM |
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Writedown: |
gmpierce |
Jun-08-09 03:59 PM |
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I don't believe that anyone still has Constitutional Rights. |
Downwinder |
Jun-08-09 12:53 PM |
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The niceties are sometimes observed, but |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 01:41 PM |
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This is an interesting discussion. |
joeglow3 |
Jun-08-09 01:59 PM |
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Proper procedure |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 02:15 PM |
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It guarantees the right to vote in american elections |
JonQ |
Jun-08-09 02:20 PM |
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The Constitution is a complex instrument |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 03:22 PM |
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Uh, no.... |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 03:38 PM |
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uh, you made his point for him |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 02:07 AM |
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Yes and no |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 06:44 PM |
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the Constitution specifically used the word 'citizen' in regard to the right to vote |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 01:46 AM |
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Exactly. Thank you. nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Jun-08-09 03:30 PM |
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I guess they shouldn't pay taxes |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-08-09 12:25 PM |
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They shouldn't pay taxes |
JonQ |
Jun-08-09 02:21 PM |
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But is a responsibility to pay taxes |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-08-09 05:09 PM |
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Not really |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 10:19 AM |
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crack dealing and prostitution are illegal activities, work is not. |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-09-09 10:25 AM |
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Actually it is |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 10:28 AM |
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That's why immigration reform has to be accomplish |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-09-09 10:55 AM |
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So do you acknowledge that working illegally |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 10:58 AM |
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Seems like your idea of reform would just be to make what's now illegal legal. |
riverdeep |
Jun-10-09 08:29 PM |
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OK let's discuss that |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-11-09 12:34 AM |
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who's "they"? |
JustinL |
Jun-09-09 01:20 AM |
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They: people in this country illegally |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 10:18 AM |
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"money earned illegally" |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-09-09 10:31 AM |
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Both, in this case |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 10:49 AM |
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it is not a crime to earn money working |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-09-09 11:02 AM |
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So a 10 year old is free to work in construction? |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 11:13 AM |
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none of those jobs is illegal |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-09-09 07:57 PM |
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Correct, but it would be illegal for those individuals mentioned to work those jobs |
JonQ |
Jun-10-09 10:55 AM |
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approaching this problem as illegalities we can end up with illegal taxes, illegal employers, |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-10-09 12:19 PM |
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if they weren't protected by the constitution they should not pay taxes either |
AlphaCentauri |
Jun-09-09 10:27 AM |
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Agreed |
JonQ |
Jun-09-09 10:50 AM |
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Please point out to me where in the Bill of Rights it says "Citizen" |
sutz12 |
Jun-08-09 12:31 PM |
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Sure... |
WriteDown |
Jun-08-09 12:31 PM |
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Did you notice that privileges and immunities are for citizens, but rights are for persons? |
aquart |
Jun-09-09 03:38 AM |
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You don't believe in human rights? |
EFerrari |
Jun-08-09 02:16 PM |
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Well, speaking for my grandfather, it's not the first time. |
aquart |
Jun-09-09 03:34 AM |
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It's the exclusionary rule. By its very nature, if illegal immigrants aren't protected nobody is. |
Unvanguard |
Jun-09-09 08:01 AM |
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No kidding. |
JeanGrey |
Jun-09-09 09:26 AM |
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The whole idea is that all humans have these rights |
treestar |
Jun-09-09 10:14 AM |
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I believe EVERYONE must be afforded full due process rights under the US Constitution |
Romulox |
Jun-08-09 01:10 PM |
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The issue is not the legality of the cards |
Dogtown |
Jun-08-09 06:55 PM |
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"Probable cause" is necessary before a warrant will issue... |
Romulox |
Jun-09-09 10:21 AM |
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Evidence gleaned from an illegal entry |
Dogtown |
Jun-09-09 06:14 PM |
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The knowledge of their immigration status was *not* gleaned from the search. nt |
Romulox |
Jun-10-09 11:27 AM |
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I see no reason to question the findings. |
Dogtown |
Jun-10-09 12:05 PM |
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There are not enough facts in any record I have access to to properly analyze the case. |
Romulox |
Jun-10-09 12:12 PM |
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OH! |
Dogtown |
Jun-10-09 12:24 PM |
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I am posting my opinion based on the scant record. |
Romulox |
Jun-10-09 12:38 PM |
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Your remarks have been rude and inflammatory. |
Dogtown |
Jun-10-09 01:11 PM |
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Link? Quote? |
Romulox |
Jun-10-09 01:19 PM |
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No, your opinion is worthless |
Dogtown |
Jun-10-09 01:27 PM |
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Due Process |
Gold |
Jun-10-09 09:07 PM |
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Good to see Due Process becomming a law again.... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-08-09 04:29 PM |
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As much as some here don't seem to want it to be, yeah (nt) |
Posteritatis |
Jun-09-09 12:12 PM |
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I've always thought that... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-09-09 12:58 PM |
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