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Dogtown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-08-09 12:24 PM
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3. Constitutional rights are
basic human rights codified by our founders or later leaders.

Slaves were excluded originally because of the incorrect assumption that they were not human, a grievous injustice we've been attempting to correct since the Civil War.





Would you deny basic human rights to any within our jurisdiction?

Would you help to create a new disenfranchised caste in our society?
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  -Judge: Immigrants' rights violated in Conn. raids AlphaCentauri  Jun-08-09 11:50 AM   #0 
  - I just can't believe that someone  downindixie   Jun-08-09 12:11 PM   #1 
  - Yeah agree...I am all for immigration but it has to be legal  Bankhead_ATL   Jun-08-09 12:16 PM   #2 
  - Constitutional rights are  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 12:24 PM   #3 
  - No it doesn't....  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 12:31 PM   #6 
  - Thanks for making my case:  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 12:40 PM   #8 
  - Its referring to the first sentence that said "citizens!"  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 12:48 PM   #9 
     - Back to Remedial for you, WriteWrong.  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 01:24 PM   #12 
     - So they just threw in that first sentence for fun?  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 02:14 PM   #16 
        - If due process is observed  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 02:35 PM   #22 
        - A citizen cannot be deported.  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 02:48 PM   #25 
           - Different penalties for different crimes  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 02:56 PM   #26 
           - Ah, but not quite..  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 02:58 PM   #27 
              - Where?  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 03:14 PM   #28 
                 - I also posted downthread...  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 03:39 PM   #34 
                    - That does not answer my question  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 04:18 PM   #37 
                       - So you're actually  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 04:27 PM   #38 
                          - You still haven't answered my question.  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 05:04 PM   #40 
                             - What's the point of being a citizen?  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 05:11 PM   #42 
                                - No, I didn't  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 05:35 PM   #43 
                                   - Let's review...  WriteDown   Jun-09-09 08:57 AM   #54 
                                   - No, but you really need to believe  Dogtown   Jun-09-09 09:35 AM   #58 
                                   - Another non-response...  WriteDown   Jun-09-09 09:50 AM   #59 
                                   - Your "points" have all been rebutted  Dogtown   Jun-09-09 10:15 AM   #61 
                                   - So you're saying the Citizenship Clause is  WriteDown   Jun-09-09 10:31 AM   #68 
                                   - In what way does the Citizenship Clause  Dogtown   Jun-09-09 11:06 AM   #75 
                                   - Internet Rule #1 -- don't feed the trolls (n/t)  ProudDad   Jun-10-09 02:22 PM   #94 
           - Unless they have bad karma, according to you.  Cal Carpenter   Jun-08-09 03:41 PM   #35 
        - the sentence contains three distinct clauses with independent meanings  JustinL   Jun-09-09 01:06 AM   #46 
           - By your own citation...  WriteDown   Jun-09-09 09:00 AM   #55 
              - No we haven't. We've proven the exact opposite.  JustinL   Jun-09-09 12:00 PM   #77 
     - the Supreme Court disagrees with you  JustinL   Jun-08-09 01:42 PM   #14 
     - See post 16. nt  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 02:14 PM   #17 
     - See post 14. SCOTUS rulings generally trump your opinion (nt)  Posteritatis   Jun-08-09 02:40 PM   #23 
        - Like Plessy v. Ferguson?  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 02:47 PM   #24 
           - hence the "generally"  JustinL   Jun-09-09 01:08 AM   #47 
              - So how do we determine which ones are generally...  WriteDown   Jun-09-09 09:00 AM   #56 
                 - Posteritatis said "SCOTUS rulings generally trump your opinion"  JustinL   Jun-09-09 12:15 PM   #79 
     - Thanks, JustinL  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 03:36 PM   #32 
     - "ANY PERSON"  ProudDad   Jun-10-09 02:19 PM   #93 
        - Tourists enter the country legally and are accounted for.  riverdeep   Jun-10-09 08:20 PM   #95 
           - Not true  ProudDad   Jun-10-09 09:23 PM   #98 
  - Did you gloss over that "equal protection of the laws" part? nt  JerseygirlCT   Jun-08-09 03:31 PM   #31 
  - Writedown:  gmpierce   Jun-08-09 03:59 PM   #36 
  - I don't believe that anyone still has Constitutional Rights.  Downwinder   Jun-08-09 12:53 PM   #10 
  - The niceties are sometimes observed, but  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 01:41 PM   #13 
     - This is an interesting discussion.  joeglow3   Jun-08-09 01:59 PM   #15 
        - Proper procedure  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 02:15 PM   #18 
  - It guarantees the right to vote in american elections  JonQ   Jun-08-09 02:20 PM   #20 
  - The Constitution is a complex instrument  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 03:22 PM   #29 
  - Uh, no....  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 03:38 PM   #33 
     - uh, you made his point for him  JustinL   Jun-09-09 02:07 AM   #50 
  - Yes and no  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 06:44 PM   #44 
  - the Constitution specifically used the word 'citizen' in regard to the right to vote  JustinL   Jun-09-09 01:46 AM   #49 
  - Exactly. Thank you. nt  JerseygirlCT   Jun-08-09 03:30 PM   #30 
  - I guess they shouldn't pay taxes  AlphaCentauri   Jun-08-09 12:25 PM   #4 
  - They shouldn't pay taxes  JonQ   Jun-08-09 02:21 PM   #21 
     - But is a responsibility to pay taxes  AlphaCentauri   Jun-08-09 05:09 PM   #41 
     - Not really  JonQ   Jun-09-09 10:19 AM   #63 
        - crack dealing and prostitution are illegal activities, work is not.  AlphaCentauri   Jun-09-09 10:25 AM   #65 
           - Actually it is  JonQ   Jun-09-09 10:28 AM   #67 
              - That's why immigration reform has to be accomplish  AlphaCentauri   Jun-09-09 10:55 AM   #72 
                 - So do you acknowledge that working illegally  JonQ   Jun-09-09 10:58 AM   #73 
                 - Seems like your idea of reform would just be to make what's now illegal legal.  riverdeep   Jun-10-09 08:29 PM   #96 
                    - OK let's discuss that  AlphaCentauri   Jun-11-09 12:34 AM   #99 
     - who's "they"?  JustinL   Jun-09-09 01:20 AM   #48 
        - They: people in this country illegally  JonQ   Jun-09-09 10:18 AM   #62 
        - "money earned illegally"  AlphaCentauri   Jun-09-09 10:31 AM   #69 
           - Both, in this case  JonQ   Jun-09-09 10:49 AM   #70 
              - it is not a crime to earn money working  AlphaCentauri   Jun-09-09 11:02 AM   #74 
                 - So a 10 year old is free to work in construction?  JonQ   Jun-09-09 11:13 AM   #76 
                    - none of those jobs is illegal  AlphaCentauri   Jun-09-09 07:57 PM   #82 
                       - Correct, but it would be illegal for those individuals mentioned to work those jobs  JonQ   Jun-10-09 10:55 AM   #83 
                          - approaching this problem as illegalities we can end up with illegal taxes, illegal employers,  AlphaCentauri   Jun-10-09 12:19 PM   #87 
        - if they weren't protected by the constitution they should not pay taxes either  AlphaCentauri   Jun-09-09 10:27 AM   #66 
           - Agreed  JonQ   Jun-09-09 10:50 AM   #71 
  - Please point out to me where in the Bill of Rights it says "Citizen"  sutz12   Jun-08-09 12:31 PM   #5 
  - Sure...  WriteDown   Jun-08-09 12:31 PM   #7 
     - Did you notice that privileges and immunities are for citizens, but rights are for persons?  aquart   Jun-09-09 03:38 AM   #52 
  - You don't believe in human rights?  EFerrari   Jun-08-09 02:16 PM   #19 
  - Well, speaking for my grandfather, it's not the first time.  aquart   Jun-09-09 03:34 AM   #51 
  - It's the exclusionary rule. By its very nature, if illegal immigrants aren't protected nobody is.  Unvanguard   Jun-09-09 08:01 AM   #53 
  - No kidding.  JeanGrey   Jun-09-09 09:26 AM   #57 
  - The whole idea is that all humans have these rights  treestar   Jun-09-09 10:14 AM   #60 
  - I believe EVERYONE must be afforded full due process rights under the US Constitution  Romulox   Jun-08-09 01:10 PM   #11 
  - The issue is not the legality of the cards  Dogtown   Jun-08-09 06:55 PM   #45 
     - "Probable cause" is necessary before a warrant will issue...  Romulox   Jun-09-09 10:21 AM   #64 
     - Evidence gleaned from an illegal entry  Dogtown   Jun-09-09 06:14 PM   #81 
        - The knowledge of their immigration status was *not* gleaned from the search. nt  Romulox   Jun-10-09 11:27 AM   #84 
           - I see no reason to question the findings.  Dogtown   Jun-10-09 12:05 PM   #85 
              - There are not enough facts in any record I have access to to properly analyze the case.  Romulox   Jun-10-09 12:12 PM   #86 
                 - OH!  Dogtown   Jun-10-09 12:24 PM   #88 
                    - I am posting my opinion based on the scant record.  Romulox   Jun-10-09 12:38 PM   #89 
                       - Your remarks have been rude and inflammatory.  Dogtown   Jun-10-09 01:11 PM   #90 
                          - Link? Quote?  Romulox   Jun-10-09 01:19 PM   #91 
                             - No, your opinion is worthless  Dogtown   Jun-10-09 01:27 PM   #92 
     - Due Process  Gold   Jun-10-09 09:07 PM   #97 
  - Good to see Due Process becomming a law again....  LanternWaste   Jun-08-09 04:29 PM   #39 
     - As much as some here don't seem to want it to be, yeah (nt)  Posteritatis   Jun-09-09 12:12 PM   #78 
        - I've always thought that...  LanternWaste   Jun-09-09 12:58 PM   #80 
 

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