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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-31-09 04:43 PM
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12. Two solutions to that
Edited on Sun May-31-09 05:36 PM by Oregone
1) Remove millions of people from the line by denying care, American style

2) Simply fund the single-payer system appropriately so that market forces from low billing rates do not reduce service availability

The system itself is impeccable on paper, but it simply has to negotiate with finite resources. If you want to forget about this system completely, I don't know what the hell else you have in mind.

BTW, median wait time in my province for cardiac surgery is 38 days, not 3 months. That is very competitive with the states for elective or non-emergency cardiac procedures.

From my MSPs site:

An individual who needs emergency surgery does not go on a wait list and is treated without delay.

For example, about half of all heart or cardiac surgeries in B.C. are done on an emergency basis, with no time spent on a wait list.

If you need surgery or treatment that is not an emergency, you will be placed on a wait list.

...

Patients who need non-emergency care are assessed by their specialist. The doctor determines the urgency and need for care, severity of the illness and the potential harm to the patient if treatment is delayed for a period of time. Patients are then scheduled on a wait list based on the urgency and their medical need.
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  -Jack Layton to spread virtues of Canadian universal health care to White House Spazito  May-31-09 01:01 PM   #0 
  - THANK YOU, JACK!!  roamer65   May-31-09 01:38 PM   #1 
  - Kick.  pinto   May-31-09 01:45 PM   #2 
  - Thank you, Jack.  Pab Sungenis   May-31-09 01:50 PM   #3 
  - K and R and thanks Jack. We need your help.  snowdays   May-31-09 02:58 PM   #4 
  - Forget the Canadian or the British health care system..  WriteDown   May-31-09 03:01 PM   #5 
  - Go for it  LiberalLovinLug   May-31-09 03:38 PM   #6 
  - Not to be rude, but it was Canadian PM Lester B. Pearson...  roamer65   May-31-09 06:18 PM   #18 
     - I've touched the box the Nobel Peace Prize came in. Man, so many Canadians hate him and the flag...  Captain Hilts   May-31-09 06:34 PM   #20 
     - Having  CHIMO   May-31-09 07:13 PM   #23 
     - My political hero is Pierre Trudeau.  roamer65   May-31-09 11:22 PM   #28 
     - You're right  LiberalLovinLug   Jun-01-09 01:46 PM   #31 
  - Forget the Canadian system?  Oregone   May-31-09 04:30 PM   #8 
  - Maybe something without excessive wait times?  WriteDown   May-31-09 04:34 PM   #10 
     - Two solutions to that  Oregone   May-31-09 04:43 PM   #12 
     - Needed an angioplasty in 2004  Mudoria   May-31-09 07:03 PM   #22 
     - At least with single payer, the rotator cuff gets fixed  depakid   May-31-09 04:43 PM   #13 
     - At least?  WriteDown   May-31-09 04:45 PM   #14 
        - Of course not  Oregone   May-31-09 04:53 PM   #15 
           - Luckily...  WriteDown   May-31-09 05:55 PM   #16 
              - "maybe we should just settle for our current system. "  depakid   May-31-09 06:37 PM   #21 
     - Why do you post on a progressive message board?  denverbill   Jun-01-09 01:28 PM   #29 
        - Plenty..  WriteDown   Jun-01-09 01:35 PM   #30 
           - The doctor wasn't the problem. The insurance company was the problem.  denverbill   Jun-01-09 03:02 PM   #32 
              - Bunch of old canards in your post...  WriteDown   Jun-01-09 03:25 PM   #33 
                 - You are quoting Brian Day as credible???  Spazito   Jun-01-09 04:23 PM   #34 
                    - I am not quoting him...  WriteDown   Jun-01-09 04:27 PM   #35 
                       - Yes, I am against private clinics...  Spazito   Jun-01-09 04:35 PM   #36 
                       - You didn't answer my question...  WriteDown   Jun-01-09 04:55 PM   #37 
                          - Nowhere will you find a post with me saying our system was perfect...  Spazito   Jun-01-09 05:15 PM   #38 
                             - You missed my point to begin with....  WriteDown   Jun-02-09 06:48 AM   #41 
                       - Private Clinics Are Allowed  CHIMO   Jun-01-09 06:04 PM   #39 
                          - I thought that that private clinics...  WriteDown   Jun-02-09 06:50 AM   #42 
                             - Canada Health Act Annual Report 2007-2008  CHIMO   Jun-02-09 08:56 AM   #43 
  - But either one of those is better than what we have now (eom)  dflprincess   Jun-01-09 09:40 PM   #40 
  - Rec and kick.  bertman   May-31-09 04:03 PM   #7 
  - Be persuasive, Jack.  aquart   May-31-09 04:32 PM   #9 
  - Go for it n/t  AlphaCentauri   May-31-09 04:37 PM   #11 
  - Good news. Thanks for sharing.  JimWis   May-31-09 06:07 PM   #17 
  - Isn't he from a riding in Mississauga? YES - talk to Canadians about this. Well done Mr. Prez! nt  Captain Hilts   May-31-09 06:33 PM   #19 
     - Toronto-Danforth, I believe.  Telly Savalas   May-31-09 07:15 PM   #24 
        - Why is it 'the' Danforth and not 'the' Bloor. I never understood that. nt  Captain Hilts   May-31-09 07:31 PM   #25 
           - I never got that either.  Telly Savalas   May-31-09 07:50 PM   #26 
              - I've lived both and have no strong preference. nt  Captain Hilts   May-31-09 07:57 PM   #27 
 

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