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northzax (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue May-19-09 10:57 PM
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16. right, there's only one problem
you're basically suggesting that Brasil become a colony of China. Trading raw materials for manufactured goods is not the way to wealth or sustainability, it is a road to poverty and dependance. If, for example, Brasil and China have a basically always equal trade balance, it might work for a while, it's a barter system, in essence. but what happens when it is unequal? let's take a look.

let's say that you and I make a deal. I will paint your house in exchange for you mowing my lawn. good deal, you can mow well, and I can paint well. works for us both. until I need fifty more hours to finish your house than it takes you to mow my lawn. what value do I have? 50 hours of lawn mowing labor in the bank? what can I do with that? I can't buy food, I can't buy gas, all I can do is buy more lawn mowing. which is fine, but I don't need it. so you ask me to paint more, what am I going to do?

Brasil, for instance, runs a trade surplus with China of about $100b a year. so in about ten years, or about 1.4 trillion yuan at the legal (chinese) rate. so every year, there will be 1.4 trillion Yuan entering Brazil. what are they supposed to do with that paper? buy more stuff from China? they can't buy from anyone else in the world (because China doesn't accept Yuan from anyone outside China) how much oil will a trillion yuan buy? how much food from Venezuela? and what is that country going to do with it? remember, Yuan is not tradable outside of China, you could walk into a bank with a trillion Yuan and they would give you nothing, because it is literally worthless. you could walk into your local grocery store with a trillion Yuan, and they wouldn't sell you a banana. because it's worthless.

Dollars have value anywhere in the world. Euros have value anywhere, Yen have value anywhere. Yuan have value inside the People's Republic of China. and let's be honest, Beijing has plenty of them, and doesn't need more. this idea of trading in Yuan and Reals is a great idea for China, they can send all the Yuan they want to Brasilia, worth literally whatever they want them to be worth. the Reals they get in exchange can be sold for dollars or euros or oil or tacos. the Yuan that Brasil gets back can be spent in China only. it's brilliant for Beijing and awful for Brasil.
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  Lula Wants Brazilians and Chinese to Eliminate Dollar for Trade Between Them Judi Lynn  May-18-09 04:18 PM   #0 
   and what are the Chinese supposed to do with Reals?  northzax   May-18-09 04:28 PM   #1 
   Funny, right now the Chinese are asking themselves what they're supposed to do with the DOLLARS.  JackRiddler   May-18-09 04:44 PM   #3 
   no they aren't  northzax   May-19-09 11:13 PM   #17 
      Your abstract middle school bromides aside, have you been following actual news?  JackRiddler   May-20-09 11:01 AM   #19 
         Your post is sort of nonsensical  Dreamer Tatum   May-20-09 11:21 AM   #20 
            Projection is bad for your cholesterol.  JackRiddler   May-20-09 12:08 PM   #21 
               Whoops, sorry, didn't see the links in your sig  Dreamer Tatum   May-20-09 12:21 PM   #23 
                  Your declaration of intellectual bankruptcy is acknowledged.  JackRiddler   May-20-09 12:37 PM   #24 
   Brazil will use the Yuan the same way Walmart does  2bornot2b   May-18-09 05:11 PM   #7 
      Makes total sense, of course. Thanks.  Judi Lynn   May-18-09 05:17 PM   #8 
      Exactly....and welcome aboard.  Old and In the Way   May-18-09 05:35 PM   #9 
      right, there's only one problem  northzax   May-19-09 10:57 PM   #16 
         No, it's not 'become a colony of China'  muriel_volestrangler   May-20-09 05:21 AM   #18 
   So when do the marines arrive on the shores of Rio de Janiero?  sasquatch   May-18-09 04:40 PM   #2 
   This used to be a job for a CIA covert op, but they're no longer what they were.  JackRiddler   May-18-09 04:46 PM   #4 
      Unbelievable triumph for the people, to overturn a coup attempt by the oligarchs in 2 countries. n/t  Judi Lynn   May-18-09 11:47 PM   #11 
   Lights, Camera, Action  bongbong   May-18-09 04:47 PM   #5 
   I was watching the news out of Hong Kong this morning  rpannier   May-18-09 06:39 PM   #10 
   time to devalue the dollar.....  madrchsod   May-18-09 04:57 PM   #6 
   Brazil and China Eye Plan To Axe Dollar  Purveyor   May-19-09 08:26 AM   #12 
      Massive OH SHIT.  dixiegrrrrl   May-19-09 08:26 AM   #13 
      Time for the USA to print some Greenbacks and get us out of this Economic mess.  keep_it_real   May-19-09 08:26 AM   #14 
      Ah yes, the old central bank debate.  KamaAina   May-19-09 08:26 AM   #15 
      Quoth FT: "The move follows recent Chinese challenges to the status of the dollar..."  JackRiddler   May-20-09 12:13 PM   #22 
         Dollar hits 4 month low on doubts about US creditworthiness!  JackRiddler   May-21-09 11:18 PM   #25 
 

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