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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-18-09 04:55 PM
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28. for an entire fleet - its a big change
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  -Obama to unveil big increase in required mpg (42 MPG) sinkingfeeling  May-18-09 01:58 PM   #0 
  - Just curious. Why is it going to take 8 years?  rcrush   May-18-09 02:02 PM   #1 
  - It will start being improved in the 2011 models. It's in the story.  sinkingfeeling   May-18-09 02:03 PM   #3 
  - So the republicans can steal another election & have plenty of time to reverse it, as always!  LaPera   May-18-09 02:17 PM   #7 
  - I'd imagine that'd put a massive burden on auto companies trying to retool.  HiFructosePronSyrup   May-18-09 07:05 PM   #34 
  - Exactly  inwiththenew   May-18-09 07:15 PM   #39 
  - Now is the perfect time!  kirby   May-20-09 09:29 AM   #104 
     - Tools for 2010 are on order or received  One_Life_To_Give   May-20-09 10:05 AM   #105 
        - 2016 is TOO LATE, there are car parts NOW that would ennable this  KakistocracyHater   May-21-09 01:38 AM   #112 
           - 2011 is possible  One_Life_To_Give   May-21-09 07:21 AM   #117 
  - Absolutely. All they need is that secret technology you have on your hard drive.  Psephos   May-18-09 11:52 PM   #62 
  - No secret technology would be required,  ronnie624   May-19-09 11:09 AM   #71 
     - It's not like they can just dust off the plans to the Geo Metro again  NickB79   May-19-09 01:24 PM   #76 
     - The reference was to "secret" technology,  ronnie624   May-19-09 11:36 PM   #99 
     - It will be unless everyone is going to be driving little cars  Psephos   May-19-09 11:43 PM   #100 
        - "...unless everyone is going to be driving little cars"  ronnie624   May-20-09 12:50 AM   #101 
           - This comment deserves to be the start of a thread in its own right!  Turborama   May-21-09 02:40 AM   #115 
  - Doing so would shut down all of the auto plants in the US  Xithras   May-19-09 10:51 AM   #69 
  - It should have happened in the 70's  tridim   May-18-09 02:02 PM   #2 
  - It did  SOS   May-18-09 07:34 PM   #41 
  - Obama surely knows how to piss off the oil companies.  theoldman   May-18-09 02:09 PM   #4 
  - I've always said that about panty hose.  Booster   May-18-09 02:15 PM   #5 
  - Ha, panty hose!  customerserviceguy   May-18-09 09:44 PM   #57 
     - What's the alternative for a woman? Socks? The first thing a  Booster   May-19-09 08:05 PM   #86 
        - The alternative would be  customerserviceguy   May-20-09 09:37 PM   #111 
  - Planned obsolescence  Beartracks   May-18-09 07:49 PM   #47 
  - Ummm, okay. My 2007 Town and Country gets 34-38 on the highway now.  mbperrin   May-18-09 02:16 PM   #6 
  - Chances are your Spider wouldn't pass safety standards today.  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:22 PM   #87 
  - Are SUVs considered cars or light trucks?  Old Coot   May-18-09 02:19 PM   #8 
  - SUVs are "light trucks"  wysimdnwyg   May-18-09 02:26 PM   #11 
  - I don't know of many crossover vehicles which are truck based.  EOTE   May-18-09 04:39 PM   #21 
     - You are confused...  kirby   May-20-09 09:27 AM   #103 
        - Not confused at all, thank you.  EOTE   May-20-09 01:16 PM   #107 
        - Several things can qualify a vehicle as a light truck and thus for the lower standards.  LeftyMom   May-21-09 01:56 AM   #113 
  - They've got to fix the exemptions for those things. nt  Captain Hilts   May-18-09 04:46 PM   #23 
  - you can already get more than that per gallon in Europe  MrsBrady   May-18-09 02:20 PM   #9 
  - Due to our early aversion to diesel fuel...  WriteDown   May-18-09 02:23 PM   #10 
  - In theory, a diesel can run clean for years with appropriate maintenance.  HopeHoops   May-18-09 02:32 PM   #12 
  - Actually the new diesel engines produce almost zero or zero particulate matter  tammywammy   May-18-09 04:54 PM   #27 
  - Diesel is actually cheaper than unleaded regular in my local stations..  Fumesucker   May-18-09 09:41 PM   #56 
  - And though diesel engines now are completely clean  tammywammy   May-18-09 04:47 PM   #24 
     - Me too, a Golf TDI. Runs on biodiesel.  roody   May-19-09 12:32 AM   #64 
        - I'm thinking of trading in my Beetle next year  tammywammy   May-19-09 09:54 AM   #67 
           - I want a diesel hybrid.  roody   May-19-09 10:54 PM   #98 
  - Historically, fuel has been cheaper in the US than Europe  Old Coot   May-18-09 02:41 PM   #14 
  - I HATE driving an SUV. Big, lumbering, hard to manuver, not easy to  Lorien   May-19-09 04:23 PM   #80 
  - I used to drive a pick-up and I loved it even though I don't watch much TV.  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:29 PM   #89 
  - I like my CR-V. It gets the same mileage as my VW New Beetle did.  krabigirl   May-20-09 02:12 PM   #108 
  - And when everyone is driving a larger vehicle, it makes it a little scarey  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:27 PM   #88 
  - LOL - wait, so people who drive SUVs are obese now?  krabigirl   May-20-09 02:13 PM   #109 
  - Why don't we have small crappy cars?  Renew Deal   May-19-09 10:01 AM   #68 
     - You mean like Volvos, BMWs, and Mercedes?  Lorien   May-19-09 04:16 PM   #79 
  - A word on what the "requirement" means  kristopher   May-18-09 02:39 PM   #13 
  - That's the change I voted for!  sellitman   May-18-09 02:43 PM   #15 
  - 35 miles per gallon in 2016  Old Coot   May-18-09 03:17 PM   #16 
  - Very good! (nt)  w4rma   May-18-09 03:34 PM   #17 
  - 1951 miles per gallon figures....  madrchsod   May-18-09 03:45 PM   #18 
  - In 1974 the AVERAGE MPG fpr passenger cars was 13.75 mpg  kristopher   May-18-09 04:29 PM   #20 
  - Yeah, but  greenbird   May-18-09 07:07 PM   #36 
  - mileage results from an economy run are not typical.  uncle ray   May-18-09 07:19 PM   #40 
  - OK, that goes in the "Good for Obama" column.  progressoid   May-18-09 04:16 PM   #19 
  - It certainly does. And fix the SUV exemptions for mileage. nt  Captain Hilts   May-18-09 04:45 PM   #22 
  - Not enough, not fast enough, BUT WAY BETTER THAN BUSH!  endarkenment   May-18-09 04:51 PM   #25 
  - My 1991 Chevy Cavalier got 34 mpg--20 years later this is the best we can do? n/t  greeneyedboy   May-18-09 04:53 PM   #26 
  - for an entire fleet - its a big change  grantcart   May-18-09 04:55 PM   #28 
  - Good -- but Obama should be demanding electric cars .. . ..  defendandprotect   May-18-09 05:15 PM   #29 
  - Just how many MPG would an electric car get?  Old Coot   May-18-09 06:17 PM   #31 
     - misplaced  defendandprotect   May-18-09 07:40 PM   #43 
     - See . . ."Who Killed The Electric Car?" . .. probably at your library . . .  defendandprotect   May-18-09 07:40 PM   #44 
     - Ummm...  Unca Jim   May-18-09 08:07 PM   #49 
        - Right . . . those who leased the cars for years don't know . . .  defendandprotect   May-18-09 08:19 PM   #53 
           - Well,  Unca Jim   May-19-09 05:49 AM   #65 
              - The California law was sabotaged and overturned . . .  defendandprotect   May-19-09 11:04 AM   #70 
     - Not MPG, but MPGe (Miles Per Gallon equivalent)  IDemo   May-18-09 08:18 PM   #52 
     - The measurement would be miles per ton of carbon produced  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:33 PM   #90 
  - K&R  SpartanDem   May-18-09 05:56 PM   #30 
  - Is this going to be done via the EPA?  pam4water   May-18-09 07:03 PM   #32 
  - How about, all electric or hyrdogen cars by 2016 instead?  shadowknows69   May-18-09 07:03 PM   #33 
  - All electric cars would be powered in part by coal, which provides  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:37 PM   #91 
  - This is a total cop out  swilton   May-18-09 07:06 PM   #35 
  - This is a huge deal dude. HUGE.  peoli   May-18-09 07:10 PM   #37 
  - It's a "deal" all right . . . for the oil companies --  defendandprotect   May-18-09 08:06 PM   #48 
  - Most of the world will NEVER have solar powered cars. Solar density.  Xithras   May-19-09 11:19 AM   #72 
  - Needed to have been done sooner but its definitely a start.  Initech   May-18-09 07:15 PM   #38 
  - Fabulous! Good to see a lefty in the WH!!!  SeeHopeWin   May-18-09 07:36 PM   #42 
  - ??? 42 mpg ???? laughable . . .  defendandprotect   May-18-09 07:45 PM   #45 
  - Anyone also noticing how gas prices are creeping up again?  defendandprotect   May-18-09 07:46 PM   #46 
  - Really?  Unca Jim   May-18-09 08:12 PM   #50 
  - Volkswagen . .. '64 or so got 33 mpg . . .  defendandprotect   May-18-09 08:15 PM   #51 
  - My 1970 four-on-the floor ragtop bug got 50+ mpg hiway tuned  struggle4progress   May-18-09 09:36 PM   #55 
     - We had two volks . . . the first one had better mileage than the later model -- !!!  defendandprotect   May-19-09 12:28 AM   #63 
     - So?  Igel   May-19-09 04:37 PM   #81 
        - Smaller lighter car + fewer cylinders = better mpg. I had a mechanic friend back then  struggle4progress   May-19-09 06:53 PM   #82 
  - Maybe lightweight two-seater sports cars.  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:43 PM   #92 
  - We did  moggie   May-21-09 03:15 AM   #116 
  - when do we see politicians riding in one ? n/t  excess_3   May-18-09 09:03 PM   #54 
  - Not good enough! We should have cold fusion personal hovercraft by now!  tranche   May-18-09 10:02 PM   #58 
  - Love the AP's spin on this-- "Obama to tap consumers for emission, mpg standards"  high density   May-18-09 10:21 PM   #59 
  - I was thinking 17 years ago or even better 31 years ago.  Fire_Medic_Dave   May-18-09 10:32 PM   #60 
  - Good thing it didn't take that long  cambie   May-18-09 11:50 PM   #61 
  - In the 70's, one of the biggest gas savers was the 55 mph maximum...  Sancho   May-19-09 06:06 AM   #66 
  - That was Carter too, right?  redqueen   May-19-09 11:22 AM   #73 
  - Yes. His Presidency keeps looking better and better. n/t  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:44 PM   #93 
  - Not true - see post #96 eom  Psephos   May-19-09 10:05 PM   #97 
  - No, it was Nixon  Psephos   May-19-09 10:03 PM   #96 
     - Thanks...  redqueen   May-20-09 09:15 AM   #102 
     - lol I thought it was Ford  Psephos   May-20-09 02:37 PM   #110 
     - Thanks for the correction. n/t  amandabeech   May-20-09 11:46 AM   #106 
  - I CAN'T DRIVE 55 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  IDFbunny   May-19-09 12:54 PM   #74 
  - I CAN'T DRIVE 55 !!!!!!!!  IDFbunny   May-19-09 12:59 PM   #75 
     - I with you the 55 limit sucked  SpartanDem   May-19-09 04:13 PM   #78 
     - Fifty five was fine in a Pinto! n/t  amandabeech   May-19-09 08:46 PM   #94 
  - We need to find other ways to conserve fuel. A 55 MPH limit would discriminate against people who...  totodeinhere   May-19-09 01:24 PM   #77 
     - All the other ways to conserve fuel suck, too.  Terry in Austin   May-19-09 07:17 PM   #83 
     - Most people who live here came because they found a job here.  totodeinhere   May-19-09 09:46 PM   #95 
     - Nobody'd enforce the speed limit in Elko County.  LeftyMom   May-21-09 01:59 AM   #114 
  - The devil is in the arithmetic  Terry in Austin   May-19-09 07:38 PM   #84 
     - 1.8 billion barrels isn't bad for the first five years. What about the fives years after that?  Massacure   May-19-09 07:55 PM   #85 
 

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