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Stellabella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:48 PM
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4. So torture is bad now? Or, wait - they did torture?
Or, torture wasn't a big deal, just like Limpballs slapping himself? Which one is it? They have to own up to the definition first.

It's very hard for repukes to pin this on Pelosi if they keep changing their tune.
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  -Hoekstras Office: Hes Seen Documents That Prove Pelosi Was Briefed On Waterboarding kpete  May-08-09 09:15 PM   #0 
  - She's already admitted it. So what?  Doctor_J   May-08-09 09:18 PM   #1 
  - She did? Last I heard, she stated categorically that she was  masuki bance   May-08-09 09:27 PM   #2 
  - She did? When?  emilyg   May-08-09 11:50 PM   #16 
  - I'll gladly trade Pelosi for Yoo, Bybee and Bradbury (nt)  JudyInTheHeartland   May-09-09 06:15 PM   #48 
  - Also she wasn't allowed to talk about anything classified  katmondoo   May-08-09 09:32 PM   #3 
  - Under the Constitution she would have complete immunity for anything said during a House debate  struggle4progress   May-09-09 05:18 AM   #22 
     - Except acts of treason  Inuca   May-09-09 11:48 AM   #31 
        - That is not correct.  bemildred   May-09-09 02:25 PM   #44 
           - I am not a lawyer, you may be right, I do nor know  Inuca   May-09-09 03:29 PM   #45 
              - Treason is a narrowly and Constitutionally defined crime.  bemildred   May-09-09 03:48 PM   #47 
  - So torture is bad now? Or, wait - they did torture?  Stellabella   May-08-09 09:48 PM   #4 
  - Is what the "repukes" can pin on Pelosi the issue, though? Isn't the issue whether she did her job?  No Elephants   May-09-09 11:27 AM   #27 
     - I think they first have to decide if they tortured, if it was bad, or  Stellabella   May-09-09 12:45 PM   #43 
  - If we lose everybody that was complicit,  Downwinder   May-08-09 09:53 PM   #5 
  - Depends upon your definition of complicit--and complicit in what. Did they all shirk their duty of  No Elephants   May-09-09 11:30 AM   #28 
  - I've seen documents that prove Hoekstra does drugs and has sex with bin Laden.  LiberalFighter   May-08-09 10:01 PM   #6 
  - A Google search will probably turn up a picture. n/t  Downwinder   May-08-09 10:05 PM   #8 
  - Who gives a shit about fucking DOCUMENTS? How about accountability, people? WHO TORTURED?  truthisfreedom   May-08-09 10:04 PM   #7 
  - What exactly is his point?  bluestateguy   May-08-09 10:09 PM   #9 
  - I think he decided his "it's not torture" line wasn't working, so he's going with "Nancy is a liar"  struggle4progress   May-09-09 05:24 AM   #23 
  - Must be an overwhelming urge to confess his own crime. Hoekstra was briefed at the same time.  leveymg   May-09-09 07:51 AM   #24 
  - No. It doesn't make it ok. It just leaves everyone's base right where it is. If I were a  No Elephants   May-09-09 11:38 AM   #29 
  - She knew and so did everyone else, so what?  harun   May-08-09 10:10 PM   #10 
  - You have no problem with Congress eenabling violations of the Constitution. treaties and statutes?  No Elephants   May-09-09 11:46 AM   #30 
     - What does her being briefed on something have to do with enabling it?  harun   May-09-09 12:20 PM   #41 
  - If they don't like Pelosi, I know they won't like Cindy.  Downwinder   May-08-09 10:37 PM   #11 
  - This is not only about Republicans v. Democrats. It's about the right of the American people to  No Elephants   May-09-09 11:51 AM   #33 
  - Aren't those documents supposed to be classified??  shraby   May-08-09 10:37 PM   #12 
  - I think Pelosi was part of a group of 8 democrats that were called to a top secret meeting.  Wizard777   May-08-09 10:52 PM   #13 
  - This was about illegal wiretaps  Inuca   May-09-09 11:51 AM   #32 
  - Empty threat, though. Members of Congress have Congressional Immunity.  No Elephants   May-09-09 11:57 AM   #34 
  - Why has HE seen them?  aquart   May-08-09 10:54 PM   #14 
  - The GOP Was In Charge--They Knew Everything  Demeter   May-09-09 04:23 AM   #20 
  - pelosi wasn't in CHARGE of anything.  xchrom   May-08-09 11:07 PM   #15 
  - Sure she was. She was in charge of upholding, preserving and defending the laws of the  No Elephants   May-09-09 12:00 PM   #35 
  - What Do They Mean By "Briefed On"  DallasNE   May-09-09 12:52 AM   #17 
  - Did you know we were torturing Did you know that Bushco were shredding  No Elephants   May-09-09 12:06 PM   #37 
  - The more Hoekstra engages this kind of argument, the more  JDPriestly   May-09-09 02:41 AM   #18 
  - No. The only thing that will get us a special prosecutor is an outcry from voters.  No Elephants   May-09-09 12:07 PM   #38 
  - chips - fall - where they may  tomm2thumbs   May-09-09 03:10 AM   #19 
  - The big brave man waited until she was out of the country to make his accusations  struggle4progress   May-09-09 05:13 AM   #21 
  - No biggie. That's why God made cell phones.  No Elephants   May-09-09 12:09 PM   #39 
  - Hoekstra was the House Intel Committee Chairman...  PassingFair   May-09-09 10:09 AM   #25 
  - Curiously, where are the memos that prove that Pelosi was told these techniques "had been used"  Honeycombe8   May-09-09 11:06 AM   #26 
  - No matter how anyone tries to spin, she had PLENTY of notice that  No Elephants   May-09-09 12:14 PM   #40 
     - As a person on that committee, she was unable to speak about the  Honeycombe8   May-09-09 08:55 PM   #49 
  - Who cares? Its not like she had the authority to stop them anyways.  Jennicut   May-09-09 12:02 PM   #36 
     - She had the authority to try. As well as the duty to try. The duty to try is the fact that she  No Elephants   May-09-09 12:23 PM   #42 
        - Back in 2002 how do you think the media would have portrayed her?  Jennicut   May-09-09 03:32 PM   #46 
 

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