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WriteDown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-15-09 09:42 AM
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120. Haha...
Yeah, the solution is to grow things like spinach in Africa. Its brilliant. Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?

The author of your article is LITERALLY a tree hugger. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vandana_Shiva

Here's some more info that may help you. This time concerning cotton. And I'll actually INCLUDE the good with the bad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bt_cotton )

Possible problems
Further information: Genetically modified food controversies

The most celebrated problem ever associated with Bt crops was the claim that pollen from Bt maize could kill the monarch butterfly.<33> This report was puzzling because the pollen from most maize hybrids contains much lower levels of Bt than the rest of the plant<34> and led to multiple follow-up studies. In the end, it appears that the initial study was flawed; based on the way the pollen was collected, they collected and fed non-toxic pollen that was mixed with anther walls that did contain Bt toxin.<35> The weight of the evidence is that Bt crops do not pose a risk to the monarch butterfly.<36>

There was also a report in Nature that Bt maize was contaminating maize in its center of origin.<37> Nature later "concluded that the evidence available is not sufficient to justify the publication of the original paper."<38> A subsequent large-scale study, in 2005, failed to find any evidence of contamination in Oaxaca.<39> However, further researchs confirmed initial findings concerning contamination of natural maize by transgenic maize <40>.

There is also a hypothetical risk that for example, transgenic maize will crossbreed with wild grass variants, and that the Bt-gene will end up in a natural environment, retaining its toxicity. An event like this would have ecological implications, as well as increasing the risk of Bt resistance arising in the general herbivore population. However, there is no evidence of crossbreeding between maize and wild grasses.

As of 2007, a new phenomenon called Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) is affecting bee hives all over North America. Initial speculation on possible causes ranged from cell phone and pesticide use<41> to the use of Bt resistant transgenic crops.<42> The Mid-Atlantic Apiculture Research and Extension Consortium published a report on 2007-03-27 that found no evidence that pollen from Bt crops is adversely affecting bees. The actual cause of CCD remains unknown, scientists believe that it may have multiple causes. <43>

A 2008 study carried out by Navdanya, an organisation that promotes organic farming, compared the soil of 25 fields where Bt-cotton had been grown over three years with adjoining fields planted only with non GMO crops. The study found statistically significant drops in microbes and beneficial enzymes. The most significant drops were Acid phosphatase which contributes to the uptake of nutrients by microorganisms (-26.6%), Nitrogenase which fixes atmospheric nitrogen (-22.6%), Actinomycetes which break down cellulose to make humus (-17%), Bacteria (-14.2%) and Dehydrogenase an oxidiser which increases beneficial microbial activity (-10.3%).<44>



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  -Germany to ban cultivation of Monsanto GMO maize cal04  Apr-14-09 11:17 AM   #0 
  - I'd love to see the US follow suit! rec'd  mod mom   Apr-14-09 11:18 AM   #1 
  - soon if Americans don't change their brands  lovuian   Apr-14-09 02:06 PM   #22 
  - Good for Germany!!!!!!!  DrDan   Apr-14-09 11:19 AM   #2 
  - Smart countries..now the world  Cha   Apr-14-09 10:31 PM   #98 
  - K&R  pleah   Apr-14-09 11:21 AM   #3 
  - I hope they stick to it!  LaurenG   Apr-14-09 11:22 AM   #4 
  - "Hip Hip Hoooray!" - Human Beings  SpiralHawk   Apr-14-09 11:29 AM   #5 
  - Great!  tabatha   Apr-14-09 11:31 AM   #6 
  - The EU needs to ban it too. And if they refuse then the current leader needs to be fired.  LiberalFighter   Apr-14-09 11:38 AM   #7 
  - Doesn' work quite like that  dipsydoodle   Apr-14-09 02:16 PM   #23 
  - Nazis!!1!  progressoid   Apr-14-09 11:51 AM   #8 
  - Meanwhile, the rest of the world speaks the same way about Americans...  Kaleko   Apr-14-09 04:06 PM   #41 
  - But Xylon B is still legal!  No More Bushbots   Apr-14-09 04:15 PM   #43 
     - Why wouldn't it be?  jmowreader   Apr-14-09 07:14 PM   #85 
        - they should think of cuter names  livefreest   Apr-15-09 12:55 AM   #104 
           - They picked a really good name for it  jmowreader   Apr-16-09 06:04 AM   #133 
  - This is great news. Go Ilse!  truedelphi   Apr-14-09 11:55 AM   #9 
  - ALL GM crops have been banned....  bvar22   Apr-14-09 11:55 AM   #10 
  - Woo-hoo! I shop at ALDI all the time  Wednesdays   Apr-14-09 12:00 PM   #11 
  - Yesssss! :) ALDI ...  SurfingScientist   Apr-14-09 12:22 PM   #14 
     - Sounds like another discounter known as  twitomy   Apr-14-09 01:45 PM   #19 
  - good thing they can't plant that shit here- oh sorry  biermeister   Apr-14-09 12:06 PM   #12 
  - GM seed use is insane  RainDog   Apr-14-09 12:09 PM   #13 
  - Hybrids (not GMO) have been around a long time  twitomy   Apr-14-09 01:49 PM   #20 
  - I agree. Like how can "seeds" of a 1-generation plant be spread?  winter999   Apr-14-09 02:06 PM   #21 
     - Unexpected consequences  Kevin Cloyd   Apr-14-09 04:29 PM   #48 
     - You are confusing a number of issues. Suicide seeds are indeed dangerous & different from hybrids  HamdenRice   Apr-15-09 06:18 AM   #108 
  - People really need to do their research...  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 02:23 PM   #26 
  - So did they test the CRY1 Toxin from the Corn plant or from the Bacteria?  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:15 PM   #60 
     - Please link to this "word"  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 10:17 PM   #95 
        - It means they didn't test the effects of the Toxin produced withing the transgenic Plant.  Grinchie   Apr-15-09 06:50 AM   #109 
           - Once again...  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 08:20 AM   #118 
  - Suicide Seeds were conceived as a way to control the spread of escaped GMO  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:05 PM   #57 
     - sorrta self-limiting, don't ya think?  enki23   Apr-14-09 05:11 PM   #58 
        - Obviously you've never seen the Pollen coating the countryside  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:20 PM   #63 
           - Nothing that a couple of thousand tons of pesticides won't  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 05:23 PM   #65 
           - went way over your head, eh?  enki23   Apr-14-09 05:32 PM   #70 
              - So you are saying that Corn does not produce large amounts of pollen?  Grinchie   Apr-15-09 07:00 AM   #110 
              - I don't know what planet you live in but here on earth  fasttense   Apr-15-09 07:44 AM   #116 
  - As usual, European countries exhibit  BonnieJW   Apr-14-09 12:41 PM   #15 
  - Monsanto is...  indimuse   Apr-14-09 12:55 PM   #16 
  - Could not agree with you more.  Pacifist Patriot   Apr-14-09 05:34 PM   #72 
  - K & R  dipsydoodle   Apr-14-09 01:02 PM   #17 
  - Too bad we can't ban GM corn here  rollingrock   Apr-14-09 01:36 PM   #18 
  - Link Please  No More Bushbots   Apr-14-09 04:17 PM   #44 
  - Tom Vilsack  rollingrock   Apr-14-09 05:04 PM   #56 
  - All we need is Mandatory Labeling of GMO ingrediants. That will kill GMO in the US  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:21 PM   #64 
     - An estimated 70% of food supply in US and Canada  rollingrock   Apr-14-09 05:38 PM   #73 
        - Excellent list Rollingrock, thanks for posting it here.  Grinchie   Apr-15-09 07:04 AM   #111 
  - All righty, then. It's time SOMEONE stood up to those evil fuckers.  Redstone   Apr-14-09 02:18 PM   #24 
  - good. n/t  orleans   Apr-14-09 02:20 PM   #25 
  - The article does not say what the danger is.  Deep13   Apr-14-09 02:23 PM   #27 
  - No one knows...  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 02:24 PM   #28 
  - And that is exactly the problem...  Javaman   Apr-14-09 03:14 PM   #33 
  - Obviously, you were against Gregor Mendel's work as well..  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 03:23 PM   #35 
  - oh for fucksakes...  Javaman   Apr-14-09 03:31 PM   #37 
  - Read again...  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 03:37 PM   #38 
     - Don't try to explain Genetically Modified crops to these people  No More Bushbots   Apr-14-09 04:22 PM   #46 
     - I think it would be helpful to divide  AtheistCrusader   Apr-14-09 05:14 PM   #59 
     - Insults clearly show how limited the person throwing insults around is.  Tumbulu   Apr-14-09 11:09 PM   #100 
     - They just commit suicide now, and the workers get rashes when they harvest the Cotton.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:33 PM   #71 
     - Links to any of this?  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 10:13 PM   #93 
        - You're welcome to eat all the surplus GMO food you want Writedown  Grinchie   Apr-15-09 07:08 AM   #113 
           - GMO cotton is already in wide use.  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 08:22 AM   #119 
     - Your info is very old  PaulaFarrell   Apr-15-09 02:53 AM   #106 
  - You'd have to eat 20 pounds of "Golden" rice a day to get any benefit.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:28 PM   #68 
     - I like how you never provide any links for your assertions..  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 06:04 PM   #81 
        - What horseshit. Why not spend a dollar a year for vitamin A supplenents?  eridani   Apr-14-09 10:06 PM   #90 
        - You're a genius...  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 10:09 PM   #92 
           - You need not be too bright to figure it out  eridani   Apr-14-09 10:25 PM   #96 
              - The problem is always in the transportation....  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 10:43 PM   #99 
                 - OK, 15 lbs, then  eridani   Apr-15-09 01:40 AM   #105 
                    - You link to an article from 2001 on tripod?  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 08:20 AM   #117 
                       - Try reading your own references  eridani   Apr-15-09 11:50 PM   #131 
                          - Once again...  WriteDown   Apr-16-09 12:37 PM   #134 
                             - Why duplicate effort? I gave you references for groups that are doing exactly that  eridani   Apr-16-09 09:52 PM   #135 
        - Strawman arguments don't work here Writedown  Grinchie   Apr-15-09 07:17 AM   #114 
           - Haha...  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 09:42 AM   #120 
  - Because you cannot patent a Regular Tomato.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:26 PM   #66 
  - Sure people know.  Runcible Spoon   Apr-14-09 03:28 PM   #36 
     - No argument against that.  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 03:41 PM   #39 
     - As far as I can tell  AtheistCrusader   Apr-14-09 05:17 PM   #61 
        - The trouble is, the Sex life of plants has been discontinued.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:40 PM   #74 
  - In addition to being a way of controlling the food supply...........  rucognizant   Apr-14-09 04:20 PM   #45 
  - How is insulin made?  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 04:33 PM   #50 
  - Pigs and sheep, mostly.  AtheistCrusader   Apr-14-09 05:19 PM   #62 
  - Insulin is made from recombinant DNA Altered E. Coli.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:45 PM   #76 
     - And those bacteria in big culture drums are highly modified so they CANNOT survive  eridani   Apr-14-09 10:08 PM   #91 
        - Almost like some sort of "suicide" gene was placed in them...  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 09:44 AM   #121 
           - Not really. They just deleted some genes for some synthetic pathway enzymes  eridani   Apr-16-09 01:39 AM   #132 
  - Yes, I know what genetic modification means.  Deep13   Apr-14-09 06:22 PM   #84 
  - Everyone who has not read Jane Goodall's Harvest for Hope GO READ IT!  pam4water   Apr-15-09 02:49 PM   #130 
  - This feels like a replay of 2002-2003  DFW   Apr-14-09 02:33 PM   #29 
  - The Germans are incredibly smart to distrust the U.S.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:48 PM   #79 
     - Interesting logic...  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 10:15 PM   #94 
        - A little mistrust is always healthy  DFW   Apr-14-09 11:57 PM   #101 
           - I was just joshing around a bit....  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 12:06 AM   #102 
              - That was one possibility I had considered  DFW   Apr-15-09 11:26 AM   #126 
  - Damn good news. Where compared with Bush is Obama?  Metta   Apr-14-09 02:35 PM   #30 
  - Obama is extremely quiet on this issue  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 05:49 PM   #80 
     - Watch and wait, then.  Metta   Apr-14-09 09:12 PM   #88 
  - good news for the planet!  winyanstaz   Apr-14-09 03:00 PM   #31 
  - This is great news.  Pisces   Apr-14-09 03:14 PM   #32 
  - its about the Bees  lovuian   Apr-14-09 03:19 PM   #34 
  - Good Point!  rucognizant   Apr-14-09 04:25 PM   #47 
     - No proven correlation...  WriteDown   Apr-14-09 04:32 PM   #49 
  - I feel absolutely gutted. All my Monsanto shares will suffer, and the Halliburton ones in sympathy,  Joe Chi Minh   Apr-14-09 03:58 PM   #40 
  - Bravo Germany!  Vidar   Apr-14-09 04:07 PM   #42 
  - Awesome!  laylah   Apr-14-09 04:38 PM   #51 
  - video: Germany bans Monsanto's GM maize  cal04   Apr-14-09 04:40 PM   #52 
  - We need to eradicate Monsanto from the US too. n/t  antimatter98   Apr-14-09 04:47 PM   #53 
  - There is no doubt that all GMO are risky. Perhaps Vilsack will require real testing in 5 years.  Grinchie   Apr-14-09 04:50 PM   #54 
  - Read "Seeds of Deception" if you really don't know why GM foods are controversial  Duer 157099   Apr-14-09 04:59 PM   #55 
  - Great news from Germany.  Optical.Catalyst   Apr-14-09 05:27 PM   #67 
  - Ring Them Bells !!  humus   Apr-14-09 05:30 PM   #69 
  - That song is spot on!! RIng those bells ! ! !  truedelphi   Apr-14-09 09:44 PM   #89 
  - Somewhere in the world where there will be real food!!!!  valerief   Apr-14-09 05:44 PM   #75 
  - We sould outlaw anything like this  Summermoondancer   Apr-14-09 05:45 PM   #77 
  - Hoping Spain & Italy will follow as well.  LaPera   Apr-14-09 05:46 PM   #78 
  - Biotech Biotech  TheCML   Apr-14-09 06:12 PM   #82 
  - Now this is what we need!  Taverner   Apr-14-09 06:20 PM   #83 
  - DIE MONSANTO.........FUCKING DIE!  marmar   Apr-14-09 07:29 PM   #86 
  - Good for "Old Europe"!!!!!!!!!!! Monsanto is a stain on life on this planet.  MasonJar   Apr-14-09 07:59 PM   #87 
  - Danke Schoen!  Cha   Apr-14-09 10:29 PM   #97 
  - so should we. and ban all food engineered by Dupont, Bayer,syngenta, AgrEvo  livefreest   Apr-15-09 12:53 AM   #103 
  - What crap. All maize is genetically modified.  tclambert   Apr-15-09 06:07 AM   #107 
  - Yep. Otherwise it would not be corn.  panzerfaust   Apr-15-09 07:05 AM   #112 
  - Try reading the Omnivores Dilemma for clarification.  Grinchie   Apr-15-09 07:33 AM   #115 
     - Bring back pellagra!!! nt  WriteDown   Apr-15-09 09:47 AM   #122 
  - thank you Germany  ensho   Apr-15-09 10:24 AM   #123 
  - Fantastic news.  redqueen   Apr-15-09 10:52 AM   #124 
  - "Suicide Seeds"  my future me   Apr-15-09 10:54 AM   #125 
  - keep the balance true  humus   Apr-15-09 12:32 PM   #128 
  - War by Monsanto -- Food by Monsanto -- Suicide seeds . . . NO . . .  defendandprotect   Apr-15-09 11:34 AM   #127 
  - Hurray for Germany! There is one! Damn I'm too late to R '_'  pam4water   Apr-15-09 01:38 PM   #129 
 

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