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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-14-09 12:24 AM
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56. OK, Pollyanna. You wanna link? I'll give you a link.
Sarkozy said he intends to bring the six pirates now held on a French frigate to France. But he also left open the possibility that Somalia could keep them, if "we are certain that these pirates will be tried, sentenced and will serve out their punishments.

What happens to pirates after they are arrested? In Somalia, seven of them face the death penalty, though the punishment would be a first in the region in which they are held, Puntland, according to one report flagged by EagleSpeak.

In France, where six others are held, a lighter sentence can be expected. Capital punishment was abolished there in 1981, and authorities have refused to turn over suspects without guarantees that they would not be executed. /

What, you need a link for every frigging sentence now? Even the obvious stuff, like France's well-established view on the DP? Whatever. Google's your friend, too.
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  -Teen piracy suspect raises legal, moral issues RamboLiberal  Apr-13-09 05:17 PM   #0 
  - Shit - he's not a lost cause  Taverner   Apr-13-09 05:22 PM   #1 
  - "Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Monday the four pirates were between 17 and 19 years old"  amyrose2712   Apr-13-09 05:26 PM   #4 
  - We caught this one alive  Taverner   Apr-13-09 05:38 PM   #11 
     - He was the one who went aboard the ship to negotiate for the ransom.  MADem   Apr-13-09 06:06 PM   #26 
     - ahh, a seasoned veteran of the African "infantry" units reared by gang leaders  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 08:44 PM   #40 
        - I suppose we ought to add Ohio to the list  depakid   Apr-13-09 08:56 PM   #44 
        - some day kid, you'll actually learn about life in Africa  ohio2007   Apr-14-09 04:53 PM   #62 
        - Actually, that "kid" will probably leave a large house, a large car and a couple of wives behind  MADem   Apr-13-09 10:19 PM   #52 
           - You don't know that-  depakid   Apr-13-09 10:35 PM   #53 
           - Anyone who's out there doing that kind of heavy lifting is getting well paid for it.  MADem   Apr-13-09 11:08 PM   #54 
              - You don't know any of that either!  depakid   Apr-13-09 11:33 PM   #55 
                 - OK, Pollyanna. You wanna link? I'll give you a link.  MADem   Apr-14-09 12:24 AM   #56 
                    - Why be a name caller?  depakid   Apr-14-09 12:45 AM   #57 
                       - Why treat the most benign sentences with childish suspicion?  MADem   Apr-14-09 01:09 AM   #59 
                          - The issue's not a new one  depakid   Apr-14-09 01:26 AM   #61 
                             - this issue is not a new one.  ohio2007   Apr-14-09 05:23 PM   #64 
           - Some dream of marrying many"young wives" because they have plenty of children starving .... ?  ohio2007   Apr-14-09 05:07 PM   #63 
     - I wonder if he was the same one the merchant marines grabbed when his gang tried to take over their  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 08:45 PM   #41 
  - So, don't try him as an adult -- but do try him.  damntexdem   Apr-13-09 05:26 PM   #5 
  - Oh yeah - don't get me wrong  Taverner   Apr-13-09 05:37 PM   #10 
  - It's quite obvious this boy has a case for refugee status. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-09 05:52 PM   #17 
     - and those hostages still held have a case of Stockholm syndrome by now  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 08:49 PM   #42 
  - How would they know how old he is?  imdjh   Apr-13-09 05:40 PM   #13 
     - They don't, they gave a min/max estimation based on physical characteristics. -nt  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-09 05:55 PM   #19 
        - They can look at his teeth....  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 08:54 PM   #43 
  - Few years in a US Prison  24601   Apr-13-09 07:14 PM   #35 
  - My exact sentiments...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Apr-14-09 01:26 AM   #60 
  - I don't know why it would be a moral issue in the US.  liberalmuse   Apr-13-09 05:25 PM   #2 
  - (Gripe: I wish we'd link to AP and not that @sshole..) n/t  EFerrari   Apr-13-09 05:25 PM   #3 
  - Agreed - nt  Ohio Joe   Apr-13-09 05:27 PM   #7 
  - Rah Rah Death!  Oregone   Apr-13-09 05:27 PM   #6 
  - France and Russia have a number of Somali pirates in custody  depakid   Apr-13-09 05:31 PM   #8 
  - They're planning on trying them in French courts, and not returning them to Somalia,  MADem   Apr-13-09 06:14 PM   #28 
  - Is she serious?  imdjh   Apr-13-09 05:35 PM   #9 
  - All of that you quote is conventional wisdom for juvenile justice, mostly everywhere.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-13-09 05:54 PM   #18 
  - Some of these "teen pirates" have more than one wife ... already.  MADem   Apr-13-09 06:16 PM   #29 
  - 17.4 is the median age for males in Somalia. Life expectancy 47 years.  mbperrin   Apr-13-09 05:39 PM   #12 
  - That was one of the more bizarre attempts at cultural relativism that I've in quite a while  depakid   Apr-13-09 05:44 PM   #14 
  - No relativism to it. They are considered grown men in their country at age 18 with all legal rights.  mbperrin   Apr-13-09 06:05 PM   #25 
  - Very well said! (N/T)  VermeerLives   Apr-13-09 06:18 PM   #31 
  - That's an even more bizarre set of rationalizations and attributions  depakid   Apr-13-09 07:21 PM   #37 
     - We're unclear on the concept of "adult" in the west, as well.  Igel   Apr-13-09 09:04 PM   #47 
  - What do you say to the wives of these pirates, then?  MADem   Apr-13-09 06:17 PM   #30 
  - 47 was the life expectancy here in the US in the early 1900s.  Bobbieo   Apr-13-09 05:44 PM   #15 
  - Yep, and if you look at the average age of marriage then, many 17 year olds  mbperrin   Apr-13-09 05:58 PM   #20 
  - A note on life expectancy: You may well know this but a lot of people don't.  imdjh   Apr-13-09 06:46 PM   #33 
  - Was that an average? If so, it included a lot of infants and women who died in childbirth.  No Elephants   Apr-15-09 08:47 AM   #70 
  - "He's the equivalent of a 30-something here."  superconnected   Apr-13-09 06:00 PM   #21 
  - Excellent points  VermeerLives   Apr-13-09 06:10 PM   #27 
  - Yup. Which is pretty sad.  Jennicut   Apr-13-09 10:12 PM   #51 
  - Untrained teenagers with heavy weapons  Betsy Ross   Apr-13-09 05:48 PM   #16 
  - What's international law have to say about this?  bigworld   Apr-13-09 06:01 PM   #22 
  - I would think this would be covered under maritime law  rpannier   Apr-13-09 07:07 PM   #34 
  - Piracy is one of the few crimes that can be prosecuted by any country  HooptieWagon   Apr-13-09 08:30 PM   #38 
  - Teens have always made the best cannon fodder.  bemildred   Apr-13-09 06:03 PM   #23 
  - Not in africa. Teens are captains and leading lieutenants  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 09:09 PM   #48 
     - Are you suggesting that captains and lieutenants are not cannon fodder?  bemildred   Apr-13-09 09:16 PM   #49 
        - Rank requirees no age for those in the african armies .  ohio2007   Apr-15-09 05:30 PM   #73 
           - Yeah, they are more like gangs anyway, well-armed gangs.  bemildred   Apr-15-09 05:32 PM   #74 
  - old enough to attack a naval vessel seems to be old enough  tomm2thumbs   Apr-13-09 06:03 PM   #24 
  - and don't forget, he could have been "a millionaire" if he picked the right ship to jack  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 09:04 PM   #46 
  - He actually gave up willingly and may have risked his life to do so - I'd cut him some slack  stray cat   Apr-13-09 06:41 PM   #32 
  - His age, his financial disadvantages, his surrender  creeksneakers2   Apr-13-09 07:15 PM   #36 
  - How do you know he didn't kill anybody ? He's 19 and from Somalia  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 08:58 PM   #45 
  - stop pimping your asshole kids hundreds of miles out to sea.  ohio2007   Apr-13-09 08:37 PM   #39 
  - This is really sad. They obviously work for a warlord/someone higher up.  Jennicut   Apr-13-09 10:11 PM   #50 
  - This is going to make a hell of a movie.  truthisfreedom   Apr-14-09 12:47 AM   #58 
  - Those darn teenagers!  Terry in Austin   Apr-14-09 05:26 PM   #65 
  - He should be hung...  Jack_DeLeon   Apr-14-09 07:29 PM   #66 
  - Too many years a sailor  panzerfaust   Apr-15-09 07:25 AM   #67 
  - Virtually every state in the Union would try this person as an adult if the crime had been committed  Romulox   Apr-15-09 07:36 AM   #68 
  - After all the outraged threads about "children" at Guantanamo,  woo me with science   Apr-15-09 07:43 AM   #69 
  - nice threads you have  ohio2007   Apr-15-09 05:36 PM   #76 
  - I may have to turn in my ACLU card, but I knew capturing ships, taking hostages, etc. was wrong by  No Elephants   Apr-15-09 08:50 AM   #71 
  - French forces capture 11 pirates  ohio2007   Apr-15-09 05:26 PM   #72 
     - Some of the ghoulishness here only exceeded by ...  dbultman   Apr-15-09 05:36 PM   #75 

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