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Are we going to drag out this battered old argument again? As you know, unless you're an incurable idiot, no one has suggested banning bath tubs or knives or cars or any of the other household objects which, if used extremely creatively, might conceivably produce a death. Those objects differ in that they possess a utility without which modern life could not function, so accepting a low order of risk produced by those objects in order to maintain a functioning society is a valid cost-benefit analysis. Conversely, most people manage to live just fine without guns, so their essential function is belied by the billions of people on earth who don't have guns and somehow manage to survive. There is consequently comparatively little benefit to guns to offset their formidable costs and risks. So, can we lay off this incredibly stupid straw man argument? It's insulting to our intelligence.
Now why Switzerland doesn't have the same problems with their gun ownership, now that's an interesting question and an even more interesting answer. They don't have the same problems we have because, unlike us, they don't tolerate gun nuts who merely want to play with guns for a hobby, but rather require their citizens to receive extensive, rigorous, military training in the proper and safe handling of firearms. Now, if you'd like to adopt the Swiss policy and require each person who wishes to have a gun to undertake a full year of full-time, formal, military training, I would be only too happy to drop my objections to private gun ownership. Any takers?
<crickets chirping>
No, I didn't think so.
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| -Mom kills son, then self at Casselberry shooting range |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 08:11 AM |
#0 |
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WTF?................... |
CrownPrinceBandar |
Apr-06-09 08:18 AM |
#1 |
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She had "a history of mental illness", according to the article |
muriel_volestrangler |
Apr-06-09 09:25 AM |
#21 |
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she had a history of mental illness and probably was not on or couldn't |
bdamomma |
Apr-06-09 09:38 AM |
#25 |
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No no no, she has a right to arm herself, mentally ill or not. |
Barack_America |
Apr-06-09 12:09 PM |
#51 |
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*snort* nt |
Critters2 |
Apr-06-09 06:23 PM |
#90 |
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Classy, making fun of the mentally ill. Your parents must be proud. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-07-09 01:40 AM |
#123 |
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he is not making fun of the mentally ill. he is mocking the stance of the nra |
La Lioness Priyanka |
Apr-07-09 08:42 AM |
#131 |
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Do you have a link to the NRA supporting gun rights for the mentally ill? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-07-09 02:48 PM |
#140 |
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I definitely might say that... nt |
JerseygirlCT |
Apr-07-09 07:26 PM |
#149 |
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They've always been insane, around here. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-07-09 08:29 AM |
#129 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Apr-07-09 12:54 PM |
#137 |
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You're funny when you're mad......n/t |
CrownPrinceBandar |
Apr-07-09 01:48 PM |
#139 |
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Good Lord. nt |
sufrommich |
Apr-06-09 08:18 AM |
#2 |
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Yep more guns!! |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-06-09 08:26 AM |
#3 |
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I'm quite glad that we have the right to own guns. |
Somawas |
Apr-06-09 08:50 AM |
#9 |
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Agree. nt |
Justyce |
Apr-06-09 08:52 AM |
#10 |
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I know, I know...... |
boilinmad |
Apr-06-09 09:05 AM |
#13 |
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Guns keep you safe |
Threedifferentones |
Apr-08-09 06:38 PM |
#195 |
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Guns, Jobs..... |
boilinmad |
Apr-09-09 09:37 AM |
#210 |
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Things you need |
Threedifferentones |
Apr-09-09 09:51 PM |
#212 |
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Are you glad she was able to shoot her kid in the head? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-06-09 04:54 PM |
#71 |
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Uh, Yeah, right! |
rd_kent |
Apr-06-09 07:27 PM |
#96 |
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Sure. It's ever so much neater than an ax to the head. |
Somawas |
Apr-07-09 07:24 AM |
#125 |
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Sure-exactly the same scenario- except she kills him at an ax throwing range. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 01:33 AM |
#151 |
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It's Not the Gun ... |
earthside |
Apr-06-09 08:59 AM |
#11 |
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When is the last time a video game killed anyone? Or a movie, or a heavy-metal record, etc? |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 09:06 AM |
#14 |
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When video games |
Abq_Sarah |
Apr-07-09 06:41 PM |
#145 |
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guns are tools. the hands that use the guns for murder are the problem |
havocmom |
Apr-09-09 08:11 AM |
#208 |
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The cause is neither video games nor guns. |
InvisibleTouch |
Apr-06-09 10:01 AM |
#33 |
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"Practical purpose" |
heliarc |
Apr-08-09 05:23 PM |
#187 |
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Guns are a HUGE part of the culture of violence. |
liberalmuse |
Apr-06-09 10:04 AM |
#35 |
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The interesting thing, is it's usually the gun owners going crazy and killing people. |
superconnected |
Apr-07-09 04:34 PM |
#141 |
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Because 44 year old moms spend so much time playing first person shooters. |
wickerwoman |
Apr-06-09 02:59 PM |
#67 |
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She should have had access to health care and she shouldn't have had access to a gun. |
TXRAT2 |
Apr-06-09 06:44 PM |
#92 |
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Yes you can |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-06-09 04:55 PM |
#72 |
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Nice post, Tipper. |
BulletproofLandshark |
Apr-07-09 08:34 AM |
#130 |
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It's not the video games, it's not the 'American culture of violence' |
Pharlo |
Apr-09-09 09:35 AM |
#209 |
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Women have also drowned their kids, should we ban water |
The Straight Story |
Apr-06-09 04:29 PM |
#69 |
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We need water |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-06-09 04:57 PM |
#73 |
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Dont need tubs. You can't drown in a shower, so the tub must be banned. |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 04:58 PM |
#74 |
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I need mine to bathe my dog when it is cold outside |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-06-09 05:04 PM |
#78 |
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You can shower with a dog, even a big one. |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 05:10 PM |
#80 |
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My elderly mother couldn't stand in a shower |
proud2BlibKansan |
Apr-06-09 06:09 PM |
#86 |
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We neeed to mandate safer tubs, they sense attempted drowinings |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 06:14 PM |
#87 |
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Yawn |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 08:20 PM |
#104 |
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So with my 8 years, can I keep mine. Anyone who did BIT? |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 09:46 PM |
#106 |
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You keep working on that grammar |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 10:09 PM |
#108 |
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Finish up the drug ban, then move on..You are 50% right (typical) |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 10:17 PM |
#109 |
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Ehrlich, Du warst in der Schweiz? Ich auch! |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 10:44 PM |
#113 |
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ich habe keine ahnung, of how much german I forgot. |
Pavulon |
Apr-07-09 06:58 PM |
#146 |
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Switzerland doesn't have gun nuts? |
IDFbunny |
Apr-07-09 07:27 PM |
#150 |
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Maybe she could have killed her son at a water balloon throwing range. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 01:34 AM |
#152 |
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Tylenol kills people |
Pavulon |
Apr-08-09 05:03 PM |
#183 |
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But this young man was shot in the head at a shooting range. Water & asprin are not in the picture. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 11:25 PM |
#199 |
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Firearm suicides in the US: approx. 17000 in 2005 (CDC). |
SurfingScientist |
Apr-06-09 08:28 AM |
#4 |
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The price *can* be high, but the others can be as well. |
poboyross |
Apr-06-09 09:04 AM |
#12 |
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I fully agree, guns are not the reason for suicides, at most a facilitator... |
SurfingScientist |
Apr-06-09 09:24 AM |
#20 |
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One quick thing for you SurfingScientist..... |
poboyross |
Apr-06-09 10:29 AM |
#39 |
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Thank you for that information poboyross!!! |
SurfingScientist |
Apr-06-09 10:44 AM |
#41 |
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Tennesee is carefull...... not exactly |
russ1943 |
Apr-07-09 12:19 AM |
#120 |
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You're basing your assumption on one article..... |
poboyross |
Apr-07-09 11:45 AM |
#134 |
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Crazy people and guns |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 09:43 AM |
#28 |
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Great post.primavera and spot on. nt |
sufrommich |
Apr-06-09 09:57 AM |
#30 |
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People are in a constant state of flux, anyone is capable of anything |
poboyross |
Apr-06-09 10:20 AM |
#38 |
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A thoughtful post |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 01:19 PM |
#56 |
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Very thoughtful post primavera, as was #28. "a weapon of mass |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-06-09 10:17 PM |
#111 |
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Thank you, how very kind of you! |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 10:46 PM |
#114 |
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Upon further research: NOT 13,000 gun deaths/year, more like 30,000 according to |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-07-09 08:25 AM |
#127 |
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Yep, and of those 30,000... |
primavera |
Apr-07-09 10:51 AM |
#133 |
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Geesh. You're dead on, of course, about 9/11 and inaction to gun violence. |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-07-09 01:00 PM |
#138 |
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Many times people who wave "red flags" are ignored.. |
spin |
Apr-06-09 06:38 PM |
#91 |
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But how to know... |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 07:16 PM |
#94 |
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No, I actually thought your post was interesting and... |
spin |
Apr-06-09 10:29 PM |
#112 |
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Woo hoo! |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 10:53 PM |
#115 |
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All too often we take sides like two football teams... |
spin |
Apr-06-09 11:45 PM |
#118 |
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Good post spin. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-08-09 02:48 AM |
#158 |
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Homicides are overwhelmingly committed by people who are barred from possessing firearms. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-08-09 02:45 AM |
#157 |
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o-k-a-a-a-y -- and AT the shooting range -- |
xchrom |
Apr-06-09 08:29 AM |
#5 |
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Drowned in the bathtub, drove into a lake...a lake |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 04:46 PM |
#70 |
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How many children have been murdered in the past ten years by a parent driving into a lake? |
Missy Vixen |
Apr-06-09 08:55 PM |
#105 |
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More drowned in tubs and pools. You people dont care WHY? Really. How Backwards. |
Pavulon |
Apr-07-09 07:05 PM |
#147 |
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Many 20 year old men are drowned by 44 year old women in tubs & pools too. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 01:58 AM |
#155 |
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Wife runs over husband. He is just as fucking dead. Ban running over people now.! |
Pavulon |
Apr-08-09 05:06 PM |
#184 |
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I never said I wanted to ban guns- I'm pointing out that average people won't buy your analogy. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 05:34 PM |
#188 |
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Look to social medicine, drug reform, and mental health reform.. |
Pavulon |
Apr-08-09 05:38 PM |
#189 |
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And the most powerful gun lobbies & conservatives in the USA support NONE of those things, do they? |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 05:43 PM |
#191 |
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Firearms ARE regulated. Sure when a case pops up (like Dishonorable != felony) |
Pavulon |
Apr-08-09 05:48 PM |
#192 |
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My argument stands- the gun lobby offers few or no viable solutions to counterbalancing gun violence |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 06:02 PM |
#193 |
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I understand you position..but |
Pavulon |
Apr-08-09 06:06 PM |
#194 |
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We agree. But, again, if I follow your path, I will get the guns, but none of social medicine, etc. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 06:55 PM |
#198 |
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I go to that range a couple of times a month |
Mojorabbit |
Apr-06-09 08:31 AM |
#6 |
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Why does this weird stuff always happen in Florida? |
E-Z-B |
Apr-06-09 08:39 AM |
#7 |
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Yes. |
timtom |
Apr-06-09 10:02 AM |
#34 |
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because it's the cutting edge of the new slave state. |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-09 05:21 PM |
#83 |
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exercising her 2nd amendment rights nt |
msongs |
Apr-06-09 08:44 AM |
#8 |
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Video Games |
LeFleur1 |
Apr-06-09 09:13 AM |
#15 |
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Yeah. I'm sure this middle-aged mother was spending way too much |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-06-09 09:43 AM |
#27 |
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"ma, are you making dinner tonight?" |
Javaman |
Apr-09-09 09:42 AM |
#211 |
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It's official: society has come unglued. nt |
Javaman |
Apr-06-09 09:19 AM |
#16 |
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One of my additional duties as a 1LT was "Range Officer" - High Stress. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-06-09 09:20 AM |
#17 |
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What the HELL is going on with people? |
Tim01 |
Apr-06-09 09:22 AM |
#18 |
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Maybe it's the times, maybe it's this State |
Lorien |
Apr-06-09 08:17 PM |
#102 |
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Wasn't there somebody here telling me how this never happens... |
rfranklin |
Apr-06-09 09:22 AM |
#19 |
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People never drown at bath tub stores either. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 02:22 AM |
#156 |
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Happiness is a warm gun.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 09:27 AM |
#22 |
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Here's a suggestion: |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-06-09 09:32 AM |
#23 |
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Great way to keep people from going to the shrink.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 09:41 AM |
#26 |
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The people who need to "go to a shrink" often feel as you - they have no respect for ... |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-06-09 09:48 AM |
#29 |
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Actually I've "been to a shrink" quite a bit.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 09:57 AM |
#31 |
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OH ... then please excuse me, I now surmise that you were playing "devil's advocate" |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-06-09 10:01 AM |
#32 |
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That's OK.. |
Fumesucker |
Apr-06-09 10:05 AM |
#36 |
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Yes, there are no easy answers. |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-06-09 10:10 AM |
#37 |
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But I thought the argument for guns is that people need them |
Critters2 |
Apr-06-09 01:30 PM |
#59 |
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what the hell is going on? people just turning the gun on their families and other people?? |
bdamomma |
Apr-06-09 09:36 AM |
#24 |
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Can we go a day with out a mulitiple homicide shooting or Parent Kills Children / Self shooting? |
paparush |
Apr-06-09 10:39 AM |
#40 |
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media is gonna scrape up every gun story they can get right now. |
FudaFuda |
Apr-06-09 10:52 AM |
#42 |
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Your concern is duly noted |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 11:03 AM |
#43 |
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you don't think overreporting by the media is making it worse? |
FudaFuda |
Apr-06-09 11:51 AM |
#48 |
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WTF is "over-reporting"? There's reporting the news |
Critters2 |
Apr-06-09 01:28 PM |
#58 |
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I meant more of how the media covers mass shootings |
FudaFuda |
Apr-06-09 01:45 PM |
#61 |
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So your argument is that gun violence is so commonplace it's not worth reporting? |
Barack_America |
Apr-06-09 12:20 PM |
#52 |
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hardly. but i don't think this story would've 'gone national' if guns weren't 'hot' right now. nt |
FudaFuda |
Apr-06-09 12:26 PM |
#53 |
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This story is from a local paper. |
Barack_America |
Apr-06-09 12:36 PM |
#54 |
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You're right. Chicago Tribune picked it up though. nt. |
FudaFuda |
Apr-06-09 12:50 PM |
#55 |
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Yep, waiting to hear about the black and hispanic victims of drug law driven murder |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 05:03 PM |
#77 |
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Yep, that damn 1st Amendment is getting in the way of the 2nd Amendment. |
Critters2 |
Apr-06-09 01:26 PM |
#57 |
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well, that's not what I meant |
FudaFuda |
Apr-06-09 01:49 PM |
#62 |
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Who's the wiseass who thought handing guns to the mentally ill was a good idea? |
derby378 |
Apr-06-09 11:10 AM |
#44 |
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Can you look at someone and tell if they're mentally ill or clinically depressed? |
Hugabear |
Apr-06-09 11:26 AM |
#45 |
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At the shooting range, they always ask for some sort of ID |
derby378 |
Apr-06-09 11:30 AM |
#47 |
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Thats NCIC |
TXRAT2 |
Apr-06-09 06:22 PM |
#89 |
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National Instant Check System, NICS. |
benEzra |
Apr-06-09 11:11 PM |
#116 |
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Yesterday, you were the wiseass, don't you remember? |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 01:36 PM |
#60 |
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See post #47 (n/t) |
derby378 |
Apr-06-09 04:27 PM |
#68 |
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The NRA and the gun worshipers. |
baldguy |
Apr-06-09 05:15 PM |
#82 |
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I have seen guns do a lot of good believe it or not. |
BrightKnight |
Apr-06-09 06:57 PM |
#93 |
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I appreciate you sharing your story |
derby378 |
Apr-06-09 10:17 PM |
#110 |
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Who's the dumbass who thinks "the mentally ill" are a monolith? |
Posteritatis |
Apr-08-09 06:51 PM |
#197 |
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A mother killing her 20 year old son. That is so sad. |
Kali |
Apr-06-09 11:26 AM |
#46 |
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And those sick human beings getting guns. nt |
Critters2 |
Apr-06-09 02:30 PM |
#63 |
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sure, but addressing causes rather than just symptoms actually solves problems |
Kali |
Apr-06-09 02:37 PM |
#64 |
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What say we make it hard for them to get guns AND get them treatment? nt |
Critters2 |
Apr-06-09 02:52 PM |
#65 |
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Both have their place |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 02:58 PM |
#66 |
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Time to start taking the gun away from the psychos. |
Xenotime |
Apr-06-09 11:57 AM |
#49 |
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I believe that if we research all that was going on with this family, MANY people close |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-06-09 12:05 PM |
#50 |
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Yet another example of how owning firearms increases the risk of harm to people and their families |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 05:02 PM |
#75 |
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Ban bathtubs and the internet now, mommy can drown her kids |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 05:05 PM |
#79 |
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Fallinmg back on reductio ad absurdum is all the fireams proliferation folks have left |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 05:36 PM |
#84 |
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That and the reality that stupid gun laws = republican majority |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 06:06 PM |
#85 |
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Fear tactics |
depakid |
Apr-06-09 06:19 PM |
#88 |
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No king here, amend the constitution |
Pavulon |
Apr-06-09 09:49 PM |
#107 |
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If you understood American law- you wouldn't keep making ridiculous statements like that |
depakid |
Apr-07-09 12:20 AM |
#121 |
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Good Luck with that. Were you around in 1995? |
Pavulon |
Apr-07-09 07:07 PM |
#148 |
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They were not bathing-they were at a shooting range. The son was too big to be drowned. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 01:38 AM |
#153 |
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Run him over, stab, golf club, give him antifreeze (or hundreds of fatal chemicals) |
Pavulon |
Apr-08-09 05:08 PM |
#185 |
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I think the NRA and conservatives are the ones who "better get busy" with solutions to gun violence. |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 06:43 PM |
#196 |
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Mom's mentally ill and off her meds. I know...let's go to the range and fire off some rounds! |
Raster |
Apr-06-09 05:02 PM |
#76 |
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It sounds like he was just trying to spend some quality time with his mother. |
BrightKnight |
Apr-06-09 07:18 PM |
#95 |
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No worries |
primavera |
Apr-06-09 08:05 PM |
#97 |
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Maybe it's just me, but I question the "quality" of such time. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-07-09 11:57 AM |
#135 |
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Another RKBA advocate exercises her rights. |
baldguy |
Apr-06-09 05:13 PM |
#81 |
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If everyone at a shooting range had a gun this would never happen. |
Bluebear |
Apr-06-09 08:06 PM |
#98 |
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Good one - will be totally lost on the gun nuts... |
TankLV |
Apr-06-09 08:16 PM |
#101 |
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Well, it WAS the "appropriate" site for such a thing, after all... |
TankLV |
Apr-06-09 08:14 PM |
#99 |
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hmm |
Pithy |
Apr-06-09 08:14 PM |
#100 |
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Well ... If he just had a gun to defend himself, this would not have happened .... |
Trajan |
Apr-06-09 08:18 PM |
#103 |
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What we need is bullet-proof vests. Then again, they could still drown us in bath tubs. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Apr-08-09 01:56 AM |
#154 |
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Just a thought, have the police ruled out the possibility |
benEzra |
Apr-06-09 11:18 PM |
#117 |
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I suspect that you are more or less correct about both points. |
BrightKnight |
Apr-07-09 12:34 AM |
#122 |
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I agree. |
benEzra |
Apr-07-09 07:04 AM |
#124 |
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That crossed my mind, too. n/t |
MaineDem |
Apr-07-09 07:32 AM |
#126 |
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There's video now - Liveleak - 1st shot definitely not an accident. nt |
FudaFuda |
Apr-07-09 08:45 AM |
#132 |
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The range banned her because she attempted suicide there 2 years ago. |
BrightKnight |
Apr-07-09 12:02 PM |
#136 |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Apr-07-09 12:10 AM |
#119 |
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Okay, guys. Now you know why this place freaks me out. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-07-09 08:28 AM |
#128 |
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Not really. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Apr-08-09 02:50 AM |
#159 |
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Mom left suicide note, thought "end of world was coming". |
Barack_America |
Apr-07-09 05:23 PM |
#142 |
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If only people in shooting ranges were allowed to carry guns. |
Critters2 |
Apr-07-09 05:54 PM |
#143 |
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RELIGIOUSLY INSANE mom kills son, then self at Casselberry shooting range |
mitchum |
Apr-07-09 06:35 PM |
#144 |
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Families that shoot together.... |
LeftHander |
Apr-08-09 09:16 AM |
#160 |
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Mom kills son, then self at shooting range (left suicide note) |
sabra |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#161 |
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You know, why does someone intent on committing suicide feel the need to take a loved one with them? |
Mudoria |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#162 |
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I don't either, although you can see how religious views play into it. |
phantom power |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#163 |
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The 'heaven/hell' suggests religious mania. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#165 |
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I support the right of loonies to suicide themselves |
No More Bushbots |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#166 |
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Some of us loonies have to make the decision of whether or not to kill ourselves daily |
shadowknows69 |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#176 |
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She was very seriously mentally ill and apparently not getting the help |
BrightKnight |
Apr-08-09 05:19 PM |
#186 |
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I have to go to Hell so there may be 1000 years of peace on Earth" = Christian crazy. nt |
thereismore |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#174 |
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For one thing, suicide is a very hostile act, with hostility aimed at those who are close. |
damntexdem |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#169 |
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Mental illness. I actually feel like I can understand it, a little. |
jobycom |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
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Crazy + guns = bad |
grytpype |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#164 |
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Simple but true. Crazy + (no guns) = less bad, help still possible |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#180 |
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unless she puts rat poison in his cupcakes - n/t |
BrightKnight |
Apr-08-09 03:44 PM |
#181 |
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I would really like to know why a person with a gun was allowed |
madmom |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#167 |
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I asume the act took all of a couple seconds. What could they do? |
phantom power |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#168 |
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It would not be unusual for an adult to look over the shoulder of |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#170 |
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I saw a different video, I think the original surveillance video, that showed the |
madmom |
Apr-08-09 05:41 PM |
#190 |
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I have shot there and all I can think is |
Mojorabbit |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#178 |
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Its a good thing the kid hadn't had HIS gun taken away by Obama yet. Oh, wait... |
FailureToCommunicate |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#179 |
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It was all over in an instant. The guy was horrified and screaming for help. |
BrightKnight |
Apr-08-09 04:53 PM |
#182 |
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Crazy motherfuckers. Why can't we get all the "crazies" together........... |
pattmarty |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#171 |
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Go to the link and then to the MSNBC news report. She left audio tapes of what she... |
Moonwalk |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#172 |
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Yes. And an ideology to torture yourself with. nt |
thereismore |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#175 |
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Bad brain chemicals, yes, but induced by whom? |
bottomtheweaver |
Apr-09-09 12:00 AM |
#202 |
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what a horrid story - thank god he likely did not know what hit him - just horrid |
tomm2thumbs |
Apr-08-09 01:14 PM |
#177 |
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And now she's dead. Convenient. |
bottomtheweaver |
Apr-08-09 11:59 PM |
#201 |
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Let me put this delicately: |
bottomtheweaver |
Apr-08-09 11:56 PM |
#200 |
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Oh Lord, back away from THAT koolaid. Nobody is going to take away our guns. REALLY! |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-09-09 09:59 PM |
#213 |
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Oh there's no danger of that, I'm confident. It's a little more sinister |
bottomtheweaver |
Apr-10-09 03:52 PM |
#215 |
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'I'm the anti-Christ': shooting range murder-suicide |
panzerfaust |
Apr-09-09 08:05 AM |
#203 |
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In this case, the term "gun nut" is apropos |
jpak |
Apr-09-09 08:05 AM |
#204 |
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Actually probably just a nut who used a gun |
stray cat |
Apr-09-09 08:05 AM |
#205 |
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no, just plain 'nut' |
havocmom |
Apr-09-09 08:05 AM |
#206 |
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So many unhinged people in this country |
BeyondGeography |
Apr-09-09 08:05 AM |
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And many of THEM are "US" or some of those "CLOSE TO US." nt |
ShortnFiery |
Apr-09-09 10:00 PM |
#214 |