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| 57. There's that many Republicans in Detroit?? |
| -Judge Must Release Woman Sentenced to Jail for Being Poor, ACLU Says in Court Papers |
kpete |
Mar-30-09 12:33 PM |
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don't miss the last paragraph. |
robinlynne |
Mar-30-09 12:34 PM |
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I hate the overuse of "Kafkaesque," but that is Kafkaesque. NT |
roughsatori |
Mar-30-09 04:03 PM |
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No, you're absolutely right. Straight out of "The Trial" |
Taverner |
Mar-30-09 05:50 PM |
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This sort of deal really is Kafkaesque |
depakid |
Mar-30-09 06:12 PM |
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Request for Court appointed attorney were denied? |
rcrush |
Mar-30-09 12:42 PM |
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They can't deny you a lawyer but the judge can find that you don't |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-09 12:44 PM |
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That's not what this FindLaw article says. |
Eric J in MN |
Mar-30-09 03:57 PM |
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I think in practice what happens is, you're found to be refusing counsel |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-09 04:04 PM |
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But how could any judge say this homeless woman could afford one? |
pnwmom |
Mar-30-09 06:19 PM |
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I don't know, pnwmom. It's wrong, however he did it. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-09 08:37 PM |
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she wasn't convicted, or even charged |
barbtries |
Mar-30-09 04:12 PM |
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Good point. |
Eric J in MN |
Mar-30-09 09:13 PM |
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in practice it is only for things you can go to jail for for more than a month, I think |
AngryAmish |
Mar-31-09 08:16 AM |
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According to FindLaw, we have the right to an attorney for any jailable offense |
Eric J in MN |
Mar-30-09 03:55 PM |
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She waived her right |
Sgent |
Mar-30-09 05:36 PM |
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and that is ridiculous |
Summermoondancer |
Mar-31-09 02:33 AM |
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In some states, the state is only required to provide a lawyer in felony |
RaleighNCDUer |
Mar-31-09 11:02 AM |
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Slavery by other means. |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-09 12:43 PM |
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Exactly |
suffragette |
Mar-31-09 01:55 AM |
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Oh, great we have debtor prisons now? |
pleah |
Mar-30-09 12:49 PM |
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Yes, right after the Capitalists overthrew our Democracy. They made it a crime to be poor. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-09 01:21 PM |
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Always have had - |
Ms. Toad |
Mar-30-09 02:03 PM |
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Good point.n/t |
pleah |
Mar-30-09 05:25 PM |
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Thank you for posting. n/t |
truedelphi |
Mar-30-09 12:53 PM |
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Is this an elected or an appointed judge? |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Mar-30-09 01:00 PM |
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Delta County Probate Court Judge Robert Goebel |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-09 04:42 AM |
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Get your guns! It's time for Shay's Rebellion Part II. |
Wizard777 |
Mar-30-09 01:18 PM |
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This is disgusting. |
Jkid |
Mar-30-09 01:18 PM |
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Is this the ReSMUG-Engler appointed Robert E. Goebel, Jr.? |
Festivito |
Mar-30-09 01:23 PM |
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yes. Delta County Probate Court Judge Robert Goebel |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-09 04:44 AM |
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but it IS a crime to be poor in America... which is why they enslave you into the military service.. |
happygoluckytoyou |
Mar-30-09 01:27 PM |
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You've got to be kidding. |
Abq_Sarah |
Mar-31-09 01:08 AM |
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It is over things like this that people should be calling for revolution |
FiveGoodMen |
Mar-30-09 01:31 PM |
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you are right. Its almost unbelieveable to see stuff like this |
biopowertoday |
Mar-30-09 04:32 PM |
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We live in a police state. |
Vidar |
Mar-30-09 01:53 PM |
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I have been saying that since I got DARE in grade school |
reggie the dog |
Mar-30-09 01:58 PM |
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Debtor's prisons are back. Once you go in, you never get out. |
avaistheone1 |
Mar-30-09 01:58 PM |
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This makes me want to scream. |
Bette Noir |
Mar-30-09 02:12 PM |
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Part of the trend of jailing non criminals to fill up all the jail cells they built for profit. |
McCamy Taylor |
Mar-30-09 02:20 PM |
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I wonder how the sheriff forced her to sign over the check. |
John Q. Citizen |
Mar-30-09 02:36 PM |
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Amazing what you can do |
christx30 |
Mar-31-09 01:17 AM |
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Wow. Grossly unconstitutional. |
JerseygirlCT |
Mar-30-09 02:39 PM |
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I hope this woman can sue the Judge, and the jailers and |
JayMusgrove |
Mar-30-09 02:52 PM |
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Some ACLU lawyers must be looking into that right now. |
Kaleko |
Mar-30-09 03:54 PM |
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and she should sue the judge personally for it all , whatever ass |
HillbillyBob |
Mar-30-09 04:49 PM |
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Thanks for making that point |
TheEuclideanOne |
Mar-30-09 06:17 PM |
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K&R |
Dogtown |
Mar-30-09 03:18 PM |
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Its the same thing with women and men |
downindixie |
Mar-30-09 03:28 PM |
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That's disgusting. |
Danger Mouse |
Mar-30-09 03:51 PM |
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god help us all!!! this is just ridiculous!! |
ejpoeta |
Mar-30-09 03:52 PM |
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This is so sick on many levels it's not even funny |
sasquatch |
Mar-30-09 04:02 PM |
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OMG |
lsewpershad |
Mar-30-09 04:04 PM |
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Wonder if this guy is a Right Winger.... |
AnneD |
Mar-30-09 04:04 PM |
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America is waging a war against its own lower class. nt |
Smith_3 |
Mar-30-09 04:06 PM |
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Since when are people CHARGED for detention? |
Canuckistanian |
Mar-30-09 04:09 PM |
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You must be from Canada or something. |
crikkett |
Mar-30-09 04:57 PM |
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It reminds me of the Chinese charging the families of executed prisoners |
tblue37 |
Mar-30-09 06:38 PM |
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the police state |
barbtries |
Mar-30-09 04:11 PM |
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The ACLU, doing God's work cause he is too busy |
Dollface |
Mar-30-09 04:42 PM |
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that's a new one on me |
Brucie Kibbutz |
Mar-30-09 07:56 PM |
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It's shit like this that proves that there is no God. |
Odin2005 |
Mar-30-09 08:48 PM |
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Indeed. |
Zhade |
Mar-30-09 09:18 PM |
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I think it was Jon Stewart who pointed out that if there is a God, he is kind of a dick. |
Dollface |
Mar-30-09 11:07 PM |
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Personally I think "God" has been anthropomorphized into ridiculousness. |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 04:32 AM |
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Or, "he's" not omnipotent, in which case, should "he" even be "worshiped..." |
Political Heretic |
Apr-06-09 04:30 AM |
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It's like a painful Charles Dickens novel brought to life |
dmr |
Mar-30-09 04:43 PM |
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And the PIG rove is still not in jail |
FunMe |
Mar-30-09 05:43 PM |
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OK, here's the deal... |
Piewhacket |
Mar-30-09 05:50 PM |
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How did this ever become "law"...how did this guy ever become a judge? |
rasputin1952 |
Mar-30-09 05:57 PM |
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wrong spot- delete |
depakid |
Mar-30-09 06:11 PM |
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Poor old Charlie he will ride forever 'neath the streets of |
whistler162 |
Mar-30-09 06:52 PM |
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sounds like the court had a case of "contempt" |
omega minimo |
Mar-30-09 07:22 PM |
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There's that many Republicans in Detroit?? |
Gman |
Mar-30-09 07:22 PM |
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This is in Escanaba. It is 400+ miles north in the UP. |
slampoet |
Mar-30-09 07:29 PM |
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Yes, and Escanaba...... |
llmart |
Mar-30-09 07:37 PM |
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This is disgusting |
Richd506 |
Mar-30-09 07:23 PM |
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Fucking scum, thank God for the ACLU, donate if you can folks! |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-30-09 07:24 PM |
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Homeless in Escanaba in December where the temps are -40 below? The judge should face Charges of |
slampoet |
Mar-30-09 07:28 PM |
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Wow. There's something just so wrong with jailing someone for that. |
Honeycombe8 |
Mar-30-09 07:58 PM |
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Technically they didn't 'require' shopping at the comapny store... |
hootinholler |
Mar-31-09 11:00 AM |
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I really think we should show the judge |
ohheckyeah |
Mar-30-09 08:16 PM |
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There is no fucking way this travesty of all that is good and right is constitutional. |
Odin2005 |
Mar-30-09 08:42 PM |
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You are correct. |
elleng |
Mar-30-09 08:45 PM |
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Thank you for confirming my suspicions. |
Odin2005 |
Mar-30-09 08:51 PM |
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Yes. |
elleng |
Mar-30-09 09:12 PM |
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Those S O Bs! |
elleng |
Mar-30-09 08:44 PM |
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Fantastic!!! |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-30-09 08:58 PM |
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Thanks. |
elleng |
Mar-30-09 09:12 PM |
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love you guys... |
publicatlarge |
Mar-30-09 08:46 PM |
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Miranda ?????????? |
dothemath |
Mar-30-09 09:11 PM |
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When arrested for criminal activity. |
elleng |
Mar-31-09 04:42 AM |
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I knew the debtors' prison shit was going to rear its ugly head at some point. |
lonestarnot |
Mar-30-09 09:27 PM |
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WTF??? |
shellgame26 |
Mar-30-09 11:28 PM |
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Did the woman have other children? |
mackerel |
Mar-31-09 01:09 AM |
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why the outrage, i see nothing wrong! |
Kalyan |
Mar-31-09 02:25 AM |
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Except for undocumented workers, of course |
peace frog |
Mar-31-09 11:59 AM |
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Wanna bet |
Summermoondancer |
Mar-31-09 02:36 AM |
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the criminalization of poverty, I learned about at a Mills College Conference in Oakland a while |
earcandle |
Mar-31-09 02:50 AM |
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I'm pretty sure debtors prisons are expressly forbidden in this country. |
aquart |
Mar-31-09 04:13 AM |
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Yes. |
elleng |
Mar-31-09 04:39 AM |
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someone should committ B & E at the fine judges |
Djinn |
Mar-31-09 04:19 AM |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Mar-31-09 05:14 AM |
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Holy shit! |
Delphinus |
Mar-31-09 06:05 AM |
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K&R |
Echo In Light |
Mar-31-09 09:43 AM |
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amazing |
jsamuel |
Mar-31-09 09:51 AM |
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debtors’ prisons |
progressoid |
Mar-31-09 10:20 AM |
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The Judge |
Mark D. |
Mar-31-09 11:25 AM |
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I'm curious why the name of the judge is not available to us. |
JayMusgrove |
Mar-31-09 12:02 PM |
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Delta County Probate Court Judge Robert Goebel |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-06-09 04:45 AM |
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Yes . . . for long time they've been making "homelessness" a crime . . . !!! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-31-09 12:12 PM |
#105 |
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