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Fri Mar-27-09 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #12 |
| 136. No. Evolution is based in scientific evidence. ID and Creationism are based in belief. |
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They do not belong in SCIENCE class. There is a reason why the theory of evolution has not been replaced after 150 years; there is no better explanation based on the evidence, facts. Period.
ID and Creatism belong in church.
While we're at it - what are the fundamental successes of ID anyway?
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| -Scientists win Texas evolution debate |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Mar-26-09 01:06 PM |
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50/50. |
onehandle |
Mar-26-09 01:10 PM |
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Split along dogmatic/rational lines |
Bolo Boffin |
Mar-26-09 01:13 PM |
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Nutty and Ignorant Mega Religious KOOKS! Sanity Wins For One More Year! K&R! |
DaLittle Kitty |
Mar-26-09 06:47 PM |
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That makes it sound better than it was ... |
Nihil |
Mar-27-09 09:04 AM |
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Look for shenanigans during the new school board elections |
benld74 |
Mar-26-09 01:11 PM |
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"...a blowing defeat...." |
mike_c |
Mar-26-09 01:11 PM |
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That one, er, caught my attention. |
mikeytherat |
Mar-27-09 06:52 AM |
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The vote never should have been this close, but sadly it doesn't surprise me. nt |
atommom |
Mar-26-09 01:12 PM |
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Excellent. |
Bolo Boffin |
Mar-26-09 01:12 PM |
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can't man AND dinosaur just get along? |
happygoluckytoyou |
Mar-26-09 01:23 PM |
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Dinosaurs = Jesus horses |
Alhena |
Mar-26-09 01:24 PM |
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I'm sure its possible |
FarrenH |
Mar-26-09 01:46 PM |
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I don't think they would peacefully coexist...... |
frebrd |
Mar-26-09 02:13 PM |
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Imagine? Man size hooks with six-packs and chocolate bait being thrown up on shore? |
Seldona |
Mar-26-09 05:54 PM |
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I'm thinking of _Sherman's Lagoon_ That's the sort of thing |
tblue37 |
Mar-26-09 11:04 PM |
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It's been done then? Of course. |
Seldona |
Mar-28-09 06:28 AM |
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Please, someone explain to me what it is about the theory of |
acmavm |
Mar-26-09 01:27 PM |
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I will tell you what the weakness is... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Mar-26-09 01:37 PM |
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We can't be heard |
TrogL |
Mar-26-09 01:57 PM |
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now, now... |
blackspade |
Mar-26-09 01:58 PM |
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Absolutely ! |
jeff30997 |
Mar-26-09 10:21 PM |
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For religious people, it's an inconvenient truth. |
Towlie |
Mar-26-09 02:19 PM |
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No, its not. I am a firm believer. I have no problem with evolution. |
acmavm |
Mar-26-09 02:43 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Mar-26-09 02:50 PM |
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Fundamentalist belief the Bible must be 100% litteraly accurate |
One_Life_To_Give |
Mar-26-09 03:33 PM |
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After thousands of politically motivated translations and edits it should be huh |
bjobotts |
Mar-26-09 07:10 PM |
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No reasoning with them |
One_Life_To_Give |
Mar-26-09 10:23 PM |
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That's the difference between the two--scientists don't say they are 100% accurate |
marshall |
Mar-28-09 10:36 AM |
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This is no different than when Christians killed people for not believing the earth was the .... |
Jack from Charlotte |
Mar-26-09 05:18 PM |
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I think once someone asked the Dali Lama |
Johnny Noshoes |
Mar-26-09 05:45 PM |
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It's the "and the evening and the morning were the first day" part that trips them up. |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:24 AM |
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In which Bible version is this conversation recorded and which Book, chapter and verse? |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:29 AM |
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It's Genesis |
ladym55 |
Mar-27-09 12:07 PM |
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But I thought all of those people KNEW every type of dinosaur was on Noah's ark! |
HopeHoops |
Mar-26-09 01:33 PM |
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But they had to eat them all, leaving only the bones and that's why there |
kiranon |
Mar-26-09 04:09 PM |
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Just feeding the MAMMALS would have been impossible - and most would be herbivours. |
HopeHoops |
Mar-26-09 05:03 PM |
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But some animals were left behind. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Mar-27-09 12:45 AM |
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Unicorns... |
14thColony |
Mar-27-09 08:43 AM |
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That's only in the King James Version |
Lionel Mandrake |
Mar-27-09 11:35 AM |
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They were put on "Stand By" |
kentauros |
Mar-27-09 09:18 AM |
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Or, maybe this is what happened: |
CaliforniaPeggy |
Mar-27-09 11:27 AM |
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As long as they also teach the “strengths and weaknesses” of ID and creationism... |
DetlefK |
Mar-26-09 01:42 PM |
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There ARE no strengths to Infinite Dumbassery. |
Zhade |
Mar-26-09 02:52 PM |
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Bingo! |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:36 PM |
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The bigger problem is fobbing mythology off as science. n/t |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 05:01 PM |
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If they do what you suggest they run afoul of the Constitution. |
DUlover2909 |
Mar-26-09 05:03 PM |
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No. Evolution is based in scientific evidence. ID and Creationism are based in belief. |
Avalux |
Mar-27-09 12:32 PM |
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Don't imagine this will halt the fundie nuts.... |
vinylsolution |
Mar-26-09 01:43 PM |
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LOL, good one! |
Jefferson23 |
Mar-26-09 06:39 PM |
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Did Jesus cuddle the cute little dinosaur before or after |
Lionel Mandrake |
Mar-27-09 12:54 AM |
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Round 1 win for Science |
sonias |
Mar-26-09 01:45 PM |
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Dammit! How many votes will there be? Thanks for this info. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 05:03 PM |
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You can't point out the weaknesses of evolution |
downindixie |
Mar-26-09 05:16 PM |
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I get the same feedback from my sources.... |
AnneD |
Mar-28-09 12:48 PM |
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Shouldn't they explain the strengths and weaknesses off all scientific theories? I don't get it? |
newtothegame |
Mar-26-09 01:48 PM |
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Nah, the weaknesses would be listed as science = bad, Gawd = good. |
mbperrin |
Mar-26-09 02:08 PM |
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The head of the SBOE in TX., McLeroy, is a blatant, two-faced liar. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:57 PM |
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You want to know how science works? If a theory has a genuine weakness then it's abandoned. |
Towlie |
Mar-26-09 02:22 PM |
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A theory must be falsifiable. That is a huge flaw in intelligent design. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:22 PM |
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No it isn't - that is not how science works at all. |
whopis01 |
Mar-26-09 05:24 PM |
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Creationism isn't science. It's ALL weakness. It has zero evidence to support it. |
Zhade |
Mar-26-09 02:55 PM |
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Intelligent design is not science. It would be deceptive to teach it as such. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:21 PM |
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The amendment wasn't about teaching intelligent design. |
newtothegame |
Mar-26-09 04:28 PM |
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It was the perfect back door for, and was being pushed heavily by, proponents of I.D. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:33 PM |
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Read some of the transcripts from the hearings then tell me it wasn't about I.D. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:38 PM |
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And besides, every theory IS strong until it is found, through the rigors of scientific |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:55 PM |
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Evolution is not a theory. It is scientific fact...like gravity. The origin of man is their problem |
bjobotts |
Mar-26-09 07:14 PM |
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"The theory of gravity sits there" |
Fumesucker |
Mar-27-09 05:10 AM |
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Yes you do |
texastoast |
Mar-27-09 12:11 PM |
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I have yet to see "weaknesses" that aren't debunked by science |
Gator_Matt |
Mar-26-09 05:04 PM |
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And that's what drives them nuts |
14thColony |
Mar-27-09 08:56 AM |
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The problem is that evolution is fact. They don't need a law mandating nonexistent weaknesses. |
Towlie |
Mar-26-09 05:18 PM |
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Technically, evolution is the theory; it's natural selection that is fact. n/t |
BadgerKid |
Mar-26-09 06:49 PM |
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Let me tell you a little story... |
Towlie |
Mar-26-09 07:29 PM |
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Well said Towlie |
chknltl |
Mar-26-09 10:49 PM |
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I appreciated your post. |
BadgerKid |
Mar-28-09 05:59 PM |
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If Texas schools discredit evolution, church and parents will do the rest. |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:37 AM |
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Chaos theory vs. Intelligent Design |
marshall |
Mar-29-09 08:31 AM |
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Better yet, let's ACCEPT Creationism in science classrooms |
14thColony |
Mar-27-09 08:51 AM |
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Thank goodness truth and sanity won out. |
Zhade |
Mar-26-09 02:48 PM |
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Thank Heavens some sanity won out... eom |
hlthe2b |
Mar-26-09 02:55 PM |
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This gives me hope for Texas. |
Enthusiast |
Mar-26-09 03:19 PM |
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Archaeopteryx is probably the most notable: |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:31 PM |
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Yes, exactly midpoint between |
Enthusiast |
Mar-27-09 06:08 AM |
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When the reality is |
14thColony |
Mar-27-09 09:00 AM |
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and on the fifth day, God buried dinosaur bones as a little joke. |
FudaFuda |
Mar-26-09 03:20 PM |
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that's OT. In NT, you can eat of the tree, as long as you count on Jesus to make your |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:45 AM |
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Why do these fundies go ape shit over evolution? |
RedCloud |
Mar-26-09 04:11 PM |
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The main issue, as far as I can tell, is sharing common ancestory with apes: |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:18 PM |
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What does Evolution do? Gives kids cool toys. I'm sorry but cool dinosaur toys... |
Moonwalk |
Mar-26-09 05:57 PM |
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What I get a kick out of is they never question why "Easter" is called "Easter" |
dalaigh lllama |
Mar-26-09 11:11 PM |
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Since the word Easter does not appear in the Bible, there is no issue. Christians |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:56 AM |
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I'd say "some Christians are well aware" |
14thColony |
Mar-27-09 09:09 AM |
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I'm speaking of the ones who haven't familiarized themselves with any historical background |
dalaigh lllama |
Mar-27-09 09:23 AM |
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There are a couple of reasons for fundamentalist evophobia. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Mar-27-09 01:25 AM |
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Fantastic! Thanks to everyone who signed the petition at Texas Freedom Network! |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:18 PM |
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I thought it was about teaching creationism |
marshall |
Mar-26-09 04:20 PM |
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Evolution is a falsifiable theory: |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:26 PM |
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The sun revolving around the Earth was NOT a theory. It was a bald, wrong assertion. |
Zhade |
Mar-26-09 06:28 PM |
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Geocentrism was a theory embraced by Ptolemy and Aristotle |
marshall |
Mar-27-09 10:06 AM |
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Heliocentricity was a (Bible-based) belief, not a theory |
14thColony |
Mar-27-09 09:13 AM |
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“strengths and weaknesses” |
Deep13 |
Mar-26-09 04:41 PM |
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Those who believe that a creator started everything off would need |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 04:47 PM |
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Right, scientific ignorance does not mean god wins by default. |
Deep13 |
Mar-26-09 04:56 PM |
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Quatum Physics is making statrling discoveries about reality. Amazing results about perception. |
bjobotts |
Mar-26-09 07:18 PM |
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Without a strong science education we would never have gotten to Quatum Physics |
bjobotts |
Mar-26-09 07:20 PM |
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Study the scientific facts wherever they take you wihout fear and superstition stopping you |
bjobotts |
Mar-26-09 07:21 PM |
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That is it in a nutshell. |
tekisui |
Mar-26-09 04:50 PM |
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You mean the World is over 6,000 years old and Jesus George Bush... |
santamargarita |
Mar-26-09 04:52 PM |
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No, the part of the Bible that talks about Dummya and the Dinosaurs IS fact. The . |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:50 AM |
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Whew! That was close! (Literally.... ;-> ) nt |
tbyg52 |
Mar-26-09 05:04 PM |
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Science, you rock! nt |
greyl |
Mar-26-09 05:10 PM |
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Praise the Lord! Er, uh, I mean thank dog! |
BikeWriter |
Mar-26-09 05:25 PM |
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Facts verses Faith. Facts Win! n/t |
Optical.Catalyst |
Mar-26-09 05:28 PM |
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Facts tie... |
krispos42 |
Mar-26-09 05:31 PM |
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Good to see that reality won out over fairy tales. |
BrklynLiberal |
Mar-26-09 05:32 PM |
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K&R |
mvd |
Mar-26-09 05:50 PM |
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"blowing defeat"?? |
Gman |
Mar-26-09 05:52 PM |
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Let's try a thought experiment. |
Johnny Noshoes |
Mar-26-09 06:03 PM |
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Let's just say easter bunnies are falling from the sky so we should worship them. |
TBF |
Mar-26-09 06:48 PM |
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See my reply to Zhade. |
Johnny Noshoes |
Mar-27-09 07:39 PM |
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Still just a myth, dude. |
Zhade |
Mar-26-09 06:56 PM |
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Hey I agree with you |
Johnny Noshoes |
Mar-27-09 07:36 PM |
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Ahhhhh. Gotcha. |
Zhade |
Mar-29-09 04:36 PM |
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with no interventions by this said creator. |
AlbertCat |
Mar-26-09 07:12 PM |
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Like I've said ... |
Johnny Noshoes |
Mar-27-09 07:53 PM |
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Well you can try logic but I doubt you'll get far. The thing is they're not |
TBF |
Mar-28-09 08:54 AM |
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Yeah you're right. |
Johnny Noshoes |
Mar-28-09 11:04 AM |
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The real danger of a fundie win would have been the influence Texas has on the textbook industry. |
FVZA_Colonel |
Mar-26-09 06:10 PM |
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. |
Occulus |
Mar-26-09 11:56 PM |
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It's the size of the population |
ladym55 |
Mar-27-09 12:17 PM |
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You should be nervous - I read that 1 in every 6 kids in the USA is Texan. |
TBF |
Mar-28-09 12:11 PM |
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How can the "Free Market Foundation" support creationists? |
Big Time Patriot |
Mar-26-09 06:22 PM |
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Read this about the chairman of the TX State BOE- Unbelievable! |
callous taoboy |
Mar-26-09 06:34 PM |
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I'm a theistic humanist.. |
ananda |
Mar-26-09 06:48 PM |
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It is shocking it was even up for discussion. |
Mr. Sparkle |
Mar-26-09 07:01 PM |
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would mandate teachers explain the “strengths and weaknesses” of the theory of evolution |
AlbertCat |
Mar-26-09 07:04 PM |
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In Texas, the GOP is highly organized and supremely motivated at a 'grass roots' level. |
BobTheSubgenius |
Mar-26-09 07:05 PM |
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Really motivated to keep ignorance on top so they can justify positions of authority |
bjobotts |
Mar-26-09 07:25 PM |
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What happens in classrooms is another matter altogether. |
burning rain |
Mar-26-09 09:10 PM |
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¡Muerte al Sur! |
sasquatch |
Mar-26-09 10:23 PM |
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"The Texas Freedom Network" Good choice. |
L. Coyote |
Mar-26-09 10:57 PM |
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A blow to the cult of the flying spaghetti monster! |
AllenVanAllen |
Mar-26-09 11:43 PM |
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7-7 vote this year. Wonder what it will be next year? |
No Elephants |
Mar-27-09 05:59 AM |
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As I understand it this type of review of science standards happens only |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 09:02 AM |
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Not so sure. |
ananda |
Mar-27-09 08:04 AM |
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What do you mean? |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 11:30 AM |
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What a shitty way to phrase it! |
Threedifferentones |
Mar-27-09 11:55 AM |
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And a shitty smear of scientists and science teachers with the "awful" liberal / progressive tag: |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 01:31 PM |
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****UPDATE TO STORY**** Ed board compromises on science debate |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Mar-27-09 12:40 PM |
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There are no alternatives to evolution based on science. |
Avalux |
Mar-27-09 12:46 PM |
#138 |
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Reread the compromise |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Mar-27-09 01:07 PM |
#140 |
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I believe that the fundies pushing for this must have been hearing |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 01:34 PM |
#143 |
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This will be interpreted in various ways. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Mar-27-09 04:44 PM |
#145 |
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I'm afraid you make good points. Texas Freedom Network is concerned. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 06:16 PM |
#146 |
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And rightly so. |
Lionel Mandrake |
Mar-27-09 07:16 PM |
#147 |
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As long as they keep I.D. out of the science curriculum, then I'm o.k. with this. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 01:00 PM |
#139 |
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That's how I read it as well. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Mar-27-09 01:09 PM |
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And as long as I'm not burned at the stake for uttering "evolution" to my science class. |
callous taoboy |
Mar-27-09 01:35 PM |
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wtf? |
liberal1973 |
Mar-27-09 07:35 PM |
#148 |
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Magic will never be a part of my science classroom. eom |
callous taoboy |
Mar-28-09 11:51 AM |
#156 |
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Denying/irnoring what hard, emperical evidence shows is just ignorance |
and-justice-for-all |
Mar-29-09 02:57 PM |
#161 |
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